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GUYS ITS JUST PRESEASON I MEAN THEY AREN'T TAKING IT SERIOUSLY.

Quote:It is A LOT easier to gain back muscle you once had than to build new muscle. Gaining 20lbs worth of new muscle over one offseason would be extremely difficult if not impossible to do naturally, but to build himself back up to the where he was one year prior isn't that much of a stretch especially with facilities, trainers, supplements these athletes are afforded.

 

It's easier to gain it back, but not 20 pounds in 2 months.  We aren't talking about someone who almost starved to death or had some sort of degenerative disease.  We are talking about an elite athlete in great shape that just came off a full football season.  He never left the weight room.  The line of thinking that he can just decide to hit the weights harder and instantly gain 20 pounds of muscle is just plain wrong.

The question is, what do you want from a left tackle (realistically)?  Someone who can hold or disrupt their opponent for say 3-4 seconds?

Quote:It is A LOT easier to gain back muscle you once had than to build new muscle. Gaining 20lbs worth of new muscle over one offseason would be extremely difficult if not impossible to do naturally, but to build himself back up to the where he was one year prior isn't that much of a stretch especially with facilities, trainers, supplements these athletes are afforded.

 

absolute rubbish and pure speculation.  He may have gained 20 lbs, that's realistic in one offseason, but not 20lbs of lean muscle mass.

Quote:The question is, what do you want from a left tackle (realistically)?  Someone who can hold or disrupt their opponent for say 3-4 seconds?

 

well, we had at least a sericeable LT in Monroe.  Not a world beater, but he was at least average.  At times he played well above average.  He also struggled in his first couple of seasons, but not to the extent Joeckel has.

 

I know hindsight is 20/20, but I know that Caldwell would rather have Monroe now instead of Joeckel.  

Quote:well, we had at least a sericeable LT in Monroe.  Not a world beater, but he was at least average.  At times he played well above average.  He also struggled in his first couple of seasons, but not to the extent Joeckel has.

 

I know hindsight is 20/20, but I know that Caldwell would rather have Monroe now instead of Joeckel.  

 

I can't really fault him for the decision.  You drafted a tackle at 2 overall, and your current starter is just average.  I'd probably have done the same thing.

 

I don't know that anyone expected all these OL from that draft to struggle like they have.

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If you play one half of football and have a "couple negative plays" as a LT, you are having a terrible night.

 

 

In today's NFL, this is simply not true.

Quote:It's easier to gain it back, but not 20 pounds in 2 months.  We aren't talking about someone who almost starved to death or had some sort of degenerative disease.  We are talking about an elite athlete in great shape that just came off a full football season.  He never left the weight room.  The line of thinking that he can just decide to hit the weights harder and instantly gain 20 pounds of muscle is just plain wrong.

 

I'm not sure who said it was 20lbs in two months, but they were likely wrong or perhaps using his weight from the last season's training camp and assuming it stayed stagnant throughout all of last season. Either way, I'd argue that he wasn't in "great" shape last season simply because he was playing 20-25lbs lighter because of his broken leg.

Quote:After re-watching the game, I don't think that Joeckel is "bad", but he certainly is not a "stud" in the game.  He did get beat on a couple of plays, but show me one left tackle in the league that never gets beat.

 

ding ding ding ding!

Quote:He started out ok last night, then it became ugly. He needs to step his game up and has little time to do it. Carolina has a good d line and whatever DE he is going to face is going to be licking his chops.

 

A play or two was indeed ugly, but not his play overall.

Quote:I'm not sure who said it was 20lbs in two months, but they were likely wrong or perhaps using his weight from the last season's training camp and assuming it stayed stagnant throughout all of last season. Either way, I'd argue that he wasn't in "great" shape last season simply because he was playing 20-25lbs lighter because of his broken leg.

 

Jaguars.com said it and it was a quote from Gus I believe.  It is just team Kool Aid.

 

I seriously doubt he lost 25 pounds because of a broken leg.  I really have my doubts he lost any weight at all, but I could accept a few pounds maybe.  Are you trying to tell me that he played last season at 280 pounds?  That's basically Marcedes Lewis size, and he definitely wasn't that small.  If he did lose that kind of weight that easily then he truly isn't an NFL prospect and is too small to play in the league.  He's not.

Quote:A play or two was indeed ugly, but not his play overall.

 

Agreed.  I re-watched the game this morning and specifically focused on his play.  I think that he played just fine, better than any alternative that we have right now.

Quote:Jaguars.com said it and it was a quote from Gus I believe.  It is just team Kool Aid.

 

I seriously doubt he lost 25 pounds because of a broken leg.  I really have my doubts he lost any weight at all, but I could accept a few pounds maybe.  Are you trying to tell me that he played last season at 280 pounds?  That's basically Marcedes Lewis size, and he definitely wasn't that small.  If he did lose that kind of weight that easily then he truly isn't an NFL prospect and is too small to play in the league.  He's not.

 

Is this the article? 

 

http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-Jagu...9c0a6e7547

 

Luke says that he gained about 10-12lbs of "good weight" in the three months since last season ended. He also mentions he was down to 280lbs last offseason due to the broken leg, played at about 300lbs last season, and wants to be at 310-315 for this season. I recall hearing he was playing at about 290lbs last season, but I'll take Luke's word over whatever article I got that from.

shows what a joke the sec is

 

for him to dominate like that

 

and then.........boom

Quote:Watched the starting offense again today specifically watching Joeckel. Was solid in pass pro and is very good in run blocking. I disagree with people who have called him soft or that still feel that way. He's not soft at all and gets after guys in the run game. One play specifically he got up to a LB at the second level and ran him a few yards back and into the sideline until the whistle blew.


His athleticism is great and it appears he's stronger than in years past. Just needs to be more consistent in the passing game and he can be very good.

I watched the replay and agree with you. It seems CBS had a agenda on him by picking out only the bad plays which was 1. They also showed old game film on him with only problem plays. Really weird!

Quote:I can't really fault him for the decision.  You drafted a tackle at 2 overall, and your current starter is just average.  I'd probably have done the same thing.

 

I don't know that anyone expected all these OL from that draft to struggle like they have.

A lot of people absolutely hated the trade when it happened so I feel like you can blame Caldwell just fine. We haven't had a strong enough line to justify trading people of Monroe's caliber, however average that may be.

Quote:A lot of people absolutely hated the trade when it happened so I feel like you can blame Caldwell just fine. We haven't had a strong enough line to justify trading people of Monroe's caliber, however average that may be.

 

You act like we cut Walter Jones or something.

Except for the "however average that my be" part. The fact is, Jaguars have never really had good line depth and it's constantly an issue. Trading Monroe was dumb. it was.

Quote:well, we had at least a sericeable LT in Monroe. Not a world beater, but he was at least average. At times he played well above average. He also struggled in his first couple of seasons, but not to the extent Joeckel has.


I know hindsight is 20/20, but I know that Caldwell would rather have Monroe now instead of Joeckel.

I don't know. In hindsight it was a good move because Monroe has been injured since in signed that major deal with the Ravens.

Quote:Except for the "however average that my be" part. The fact is, Jaguars have never really had good line depth and it's constantly an issue. Trading Monroe was dumb. it was.

It all goes back to his contract. Was he going to be willing to move to RT and sign a RT contact knowing he could get paid like a LT on the open market?


Also keep in mind those extra picks allowed us to be flexible in the draft by moving up for guys like Linder and taking a risk on Colvin, not to mention Telvin as well. Its a blessing and a curse.