Quote:I'm not convinced that he's terrible, and not sure that can be argued successfully.
However, he doesn't have to have played terrible to expect competition next year no matter how well he plays this season.
Other than two bull rushes (one of which didn't even affect the QB) he's played solid this preseason.
We are on the same line of thinking. He is not terrible. He's not an elite LT and I'd argue he hasn't lived up to his draft status but he's a serviceable LT and he is still young. He spent the majority of his early career at RT and then injured.
I don't see him going anywhere any time soon.
Quote:I still think Luke will figure it out as the season progresses with good coaching.
That being said, there isn't a Parnell of LTs out there somewhere?
Yeah. His name is Jermey Parnell, and I'd honestly love to see what this line would look like with Parnell playing the left side and Joeckel the right.
Quote:Are you claiming you think he loses on 50% of his pass block attempts?
I'm claiming he'll play decent on one play and the next I'll wonder what the hell he is doing.
Quote:I'm claiming he'll play decent on one play and the next I'll wonder what the hell he is doing.
Sounds like a player going into his second season at the position.
Quote:Sounds like a player going into his second season at the position.
I agree. Which is why I'm disappointed in his play.
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Wrong. He was switched to LT in his rookie year and went out his first game for the season. Last season was his first year playing the position.
Quote:Wrong. He was switched to LT in his rookie year and went out his first game for the season. Last season was his first year playing the position.
Its still his 3rd season in the NFL, no matter how you look at it. He's still playing like a joke and hasn't shown that he can be the franchise tackle. Stop damage controlling.
Most would agree that he has improved significantly from last year. He's had a few bad plays in the preseason, which is to be expected. He's NOT Tony Boselli, so people who keep expecting him to become the most dominant tackle in the league are only setting themselves up to be disappointed.
Even in the embarrassing plays last week, he did his job in keeping the rush off his QB. It may not have been pretty, but it worked well enough. In each instance, there's a teachable moment regarding his technique, and he's got some good coaches watching every bit of tape on him and working toward trying to reduce the gaffes and to become a more complete tackle.
He's not a joke, although I know a few here think that's some clever word play. Watch the entire book of work so far this preseason, and you can't walk away saying he hasn't improved his play. Given time with this staff, he should continue to do so. If he doesn't? They'll find his replacement next year.
Quote:Its still his 3rd season in the NFL, no matter how you look at it. He's still playing like a joke and hasn't shown that he can be the franchise tackle. Stop damage controlling.
Right, because his rookie year was a great learning experience.
It's not damage control to simply state the facts. That's all jagibelieve was doing. It does start to come off as agenda pushing when you ignore the facts in order to spin this in a way that paints Joeckel as the worst tackle to ever strap on a helmet.
Quote:Wrong. He was switched to LT in his rookie year and went out his first game for the season. Last season was his first year playing the position.
A 3rd season is a 3rd season
So you think 0 development happened his entire rookie off-season and short regular season?
Quote:A 3rd season is a 3rd season
So you think 0 development happened his entire rookie off-season and short regular season?
Right, because the 5 games he played as a rookie, including 1 half of a game at LT is a perfect representation of a full season of experience.
Quote:Right, because his rookie year was a great learning experience.
It's not damage control to simply state the facts. That's all jagibelieve was doing. It does start to come off as agenda pushing when you ignore the facts in order to spin this in a way that paints Joeckel as the worst tackle to ever strap on a helmet.
Injuries happen, it doesn't give you a free pass or stop the criticism. You can still study and get the rest of your body stronger. He's protecting our QBs blind-side and is struggling against vanilla defense. The only well known pass rusher he went up against was James Harrison, and he got destroyed by him. The Giants don't have JPP or Tuck anymore, and the Lions had their entire starting line sit out. Yet he still looks shaky, and that's an issue. After a decade of sucking, you need to open your eyes and stop feeling sorry or giving these players a pass. He's going to have the most challenging year because of our schedule, and he's not starting good.
Quote:Right, because his rookie year was a great learning experience.
It's not damage control to simply state the facts. That's all jagibelieve was doing. It does start to come off as agenda pushing when you ignore the facts in order to spin this in a way that paints Joeckel as the worst tackle to ever strap on a helmet.
It's also agenda pushing to say that he didn't learn anything from his rookie season.
He's in the NFL. RT to LT is not a big enough difference to stunt someone's growth as a player.
If Caldwell knew LJ was our future LT, why would he put him out there at RT if it was so different from LT?
Wow ... it's a witch hunt already.
Give the guy his second full season as an LT before we start lighting torches.
Quote:Its still his 3rd season in the NFL, no matter how you look at it. He's still playing like a joke and hasn't shown that he can be the franchise tackle. Stop damage controlling.
Look at the facts of the matter.
He was drafted in 2013 and got some time at
RT. After the start of the season the Jaguars trade Eugene Monroe and move Joeckel to LT. The very next game he suffers a season-ending injury. You might as well throw that season out as far as a "veteran season".
He comes back last season, and struggled some with the rest of the O-line and really starts to learn about the LT position in the NFL.
No matter how you want to spin it, he is starting his SECOND SEASON as a LT in the NFL. He'll get better.
Quote:Look at the facts of the matter.
He was drafted in 2013 and got some time at RT. After the start of the season the Jaguars trade Eugene Monroe and move Joeckel to LT. The very next game he suffers a season-ending injury. You might as well throw that season out as far as a "veteran season".
He comes back last season, and struggled some with the rest of the O-line and really starts to learn about the LT position in the NFL.
No matter how you want to spin it, he is starting his SECOND SEASON as a LT in the NFL. He'll get better.
How are live, regular season football games able to be " thrown out" as experience?
Caldwell moved LJ when he felt he was ready to play LT. What do you think made him ready for that?
Quote:Right, because his rookie year was a great learning experience.
It's not damage control to simply state the facts. That's all jagibelieve was doing. It does start to come off as agenda pushing when you ignore the facts in order to spin this in a way that paints Joeckel as the worst tackle to ever strap on a helmet.
Agenda pushing would be pretending his rookie year never happened.
Quote:Look at the facts of the matter.
He was drafted in 2013 and got some time at RT. After the start of the season the Jaguars trade Eugene Monroe and move Joeckel to LT. The very next game he suffers a season-ending injury. You might as well throw that season out as far as a "veteran season".
He comes back last season, and struggled some with the rest of the O-line and really starts to learn about the LT position in the NFL.
No matter how you want to spin it, he is starting his SECOND SEASON as a LT in the NFL. He'll get better.
We'll see how he plays. I'm rooting for him heavily, because I don't want to be in the top 5 next year and having to draft another LT. He has this year to show what he can do, and the pass rushers we go against are insanely good. So its not the greatest thing in the world to see him struggle in pre season.