Quote:This is almost comical, but I know you're being serious here. By short regular season, you mean shortened by 2/3. And if we're looking at his experience at LT, we're down to 2 quarters of 1 game. Wow. That should be ample time to qualify for the hall of fame.
It's funny how reps in practice matter when you're trying to trash a player. The reality is, reps in practice are good for developing technique. Actual game reps is where a player develops. Joeckel spent his rookie season practicing at RT until the week leading up to his first start at LT which lasted all of half a game. Are you honestly trying to imply that this should be adequate enough to qualify as a season? If so, it's pointless discussing this with you because you haven't a clue.
Lol wow, funny how someone saying complete gibberish is claiming someone doesn't have a clue.
He wasn't saying the week leading up to his first game at LT qualifies as a season. Hes saying that the games he played at RT ( remember the shorter season thing?) cant be thrown out. It was enough experience for Caldwell to trade the starting LT and slide LJ into the spot.
It's amazing how delusional people on this board get if anyone criticizes a player.
Quote:It's the preseason, and he's now in his second new offense since entering the league, with an entirely new coaching staff working with the position group. If he looks shaky in the preseason, that's fine. As long as he continues to show progression, that's what it's all about. He's done that. If you can't see improvement over where he was at last season compared to where he's at right now, you're blind. Simple as that.
BTW, one bad play vs. Harrison wouldn't necessarily be defined as getting destroyed, but if you're pushing an agenda, I guess that's how you must label it. We'll just ignore the fact that Harrison did the exact same thing the following week against Green Bay because this is about Joeckel sucking and not the fact that maybe Harrison still has some juice.
Nobody here is giving anyone a pass. I guess if your goal is to crucify a single player because you have to have someone to complain about, it might seem that way, but that's actually not the case. Joeckel is in a prove it year. Whether he does so or not isn't determined in a couple of preseason games by anyone but wannabe GMs who work their magic in a video game. Joeckel has a lot to prove this year. He either does it, or he doesn't. If he fails, he won't have a job for very much longer in Jacksonville.
No one is being an armchair GM by criticizing the trash we've seen for a decade. Say it however you want, would you be okay with Bortles struggling in the pre-season? No. It would be terrible to see, but his "life guard" is struggling against no names and a 38 year old pass rusher. All it takes is one whiffed block against an animal like JJ Watt and Bortles could have a season ending injury. We're lucky he didn't die last year. And we're super lucky to have Parnell. If only Joeckel could play at that guys caliber.
Is calling a poor performance what it is, "trashing" a player? It just being honest. He isn't doing well right now. Can that change? Ya, is anybody denying that?
Quote:First off, does the pro bowl really matter? Is that the measure to judge a player? Really?
Did Luke Joeckel play his entire rookie year?
Lol I was using probowl as a general gauge on his performance.
He also every game that season while only being called on one holding penalty. Is that a better qualification for you? Or how about that season leading to a 100m dollar contract? Am I getting closer?
Im not gonna argue with you about this because you are just going to keep making excuses for LJ. Everyone knows it's put up or shut up time.
Quote:What qualifies as a season in your eyes is irrelevant. Facts are facts. Its his third year. Sorry.
You can tell who is having to shovel the most bull crap here by how much explaining they have to do to qualify their statements.
Seriously? Taking snaps in less than a half of football in one game qualifies as a "year in pro football". Really?
Let me ask you this. Will Daunte Fowler count as having a season of football experience after this year?
Quote:HAHA, this thread is still alive? Can I answer the question? YES, he sucks. We are just going to suck until next year at LT. I can promise Caldwell will address this in the next off season.
Jagibelieve and FBT the great apologist. They'll never speak bad about a player, defend him til they die, and get emotional over nick-names we make up. I don't understand how you can be this way after a decade of BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD, TERRIBLE PLAY. I'd understand if we were the Patriots or Seahawks, then I'd be okay with having a couple players struggling, but having a 3-13 team and acting like nothing is wrong is delusional.
Quote:Seriously? Taking snaps in less than a half of football in one game qualifies as a "year in pro football". Really?
Let me ask you this. Will Daunte Fowler count as having a season of football experience after this year?
Did Dante Fowler play 6 games?
Even if he was at RDE instead of LDE, would those games not count either?
Quote:Seriously? Taking snaps in less than a half of football in one game qualifies as a "year in pro football". Really?
Let me ask you this. Will Daunte Fowler count as having a season of football experience after this year?
Reading comprehension needs work. I said what qualifies as a full year to you or anybody including me is irrelevant. Facts are he played some that year, although very little, and had reps at both positions in his rookie training camp.
Quote:Jagibelieve and FBT the great apologist. They'll never speak bad about a player, defend him til they die, and get emotional over nick-names we make up. I don't understand how you can be this way after a decade of BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD, TERRIBLE PLAY. I'd understand if we were the Patriots or Seahawks, then I'd be okay with having a couple players struggling, but having a 3-13 team and acting like nothing is wrong is delusional.
It went from delusional to quite hilarious.
Quote:Jagibelieve and FBT the great apologist. They'll never speak bad about a player, defend him til they die, and get emotional over nick-names we make up. I don't understand how you can be this way after a decade of BAD, BAD, BAD, BAD, TERRIBLE PLAY. I'd understand if we were the Patriots or Seahawks, then I'd be okay with having a couple players struggling, but having a 3-13 team and acting like nothing is wrong is delusional.
It's a coping mechanism. Any suppressed disappointment and anger from the team's performance is channeled toward anybody who might force them to face the truth.
Quote:But Harrison ran right by him and he got bull rushed into a seated position last week (granted the QB was still upright, but that has to count for something, right?)!!!!
If you think that;
A. Those were the only bad plays by LJ.
Or
B. That because your QB didn't get sacked you are doing your job as a OL
You have no idea what you are talking about. If you believe both than you're being moronic.
It's his second year as our LT.
He's played 16.5 games at the position. That's not two seasons.
I really hope LJ plays better. I really liked the draft pick, and I really don't feel like being in the market for another LT.
But good god I can already see the " he was stunted his rookie year and was never the player he was supposed to be " excuse on deck.
Look man if he's just awful (which he hasn't been, even with the sacks he's given up) then I'll be right with you at the end of the year and praying the jags find another LT.
The O-line has been way better thus far with Joeckel in there, and hopefully this carries into the regular season.
Quote:Look man if he's just awful (which he hasn't been, even with the sacks he's given up) then I'll be right with you at the end of the year and praying the jags find another LT.
The O-line has been way better thus far with Joeckel in there, and hopefully this carries into the regular season.
Really? He has been sucking big time. Hopefully he can change, but saying he hasn't sucked is delusional.
Quote:It's his second year as our LT.
He's played 16.5 games at the position. That's not two seasons.
He still sucks. That was the main question of the thread. We have a tough schedule going up against elite pass-rushers, and if he plays ANYTHING like he has this pre-season, or even if hes just average, we'll get stomped on. Those teams will see the weakness in Joeckel, just like a shark smells blood, and they'll make sure they completely expose him to shut down our offense. You can't be average and play like he has when you go against the teams we are playing. Lets not forget we play against the Texans TWICE a year, and could potentially compete with them for a wildcard spot. It'd be nice to still be in the play-off race come November, ya know?
I know we've been at the bottom of the barrel for awhile guys, but you can start to look outside of it and see what pieces we need to get back to the play-offs. Accepting mediocrity isn't enough for that. You can speak your mind and say no to it! You don't have to be an apologist or make excuses for this franchise anymore! :woot:
Quote:It's his second year as our LT.
He's played 16.5 games at the position. That's not two seasons.
Exactly. Look, everybody can clearly see that Joeckel stunk on ice in a few plays this preseason. He might be lousy all season. If that is the case, we don't exercise our option, and we find another tackle. It seems to me that writing him off after a year seems pretty silly. I think he looks a good bit better overall than he did last year, I also think Beadles looks better than last year. New coaches, more experience, we'll see how it looks at the end of the year. What makes me laugh is people getting all bent out of shape over this. I mean really, what is the point?
Quote:Exactly. Look, everybody can clearly see that Joeckel stunk on ice in a few plays this preseason. He might be lousy all season. If that is the case, we don't exercise our option, and we find another tackle. It seems to me that writing him off after a year seems pretty silly. I think he looks a good bit better overall than he did last year, I also think Beadles looks better than last year. New coaches, more experience, we'll see how it looks at the end of the year. What makes me laugh is people getting all bent out of shape over this. I mean really, what is the point?
It's his
3rd year in the league. Writing him off after 3 seems reasonable. It's not his 2nd year, no matter how much spin people like you put on it.
Quote:It's his 3rd year in the league. Writing him off after 3 seems reasonable. It's not his 2nd year, no matter how much spin people like you put on it.
Did you read the post I replied to? The part about 16.5 games at left tackle? Truthfully, you and Sosa are really making this thread funny. You both sound like such drama queens.
Quote:Did you read the post I replied to? The part about 16.5 games at left tackle? Truthfully, you and Sosa are really making this thread funny. You both sound like such drama queens.
Once again, this is his 3rd year. I don't care if he was hurt. This is not his 2nd year in. I gave him the benefit of the doubt last year, and now he rolls into year 3 looking terrible. He is not the answer at LT. We should have kept Monroe. Once again, this is by no means Caldwell's fault. The 2013 draft was horrid, and he had no choice, but to pick the Joke.