Quote:To paraphrase Vic, the Jaguars can just go out back to the left tackle tree and take another one.
I get it.
I'm not demanding every LT be Boselli.
I would be happy with a level of play equal to Ben Coleman when he subbed for Boselli, or even year one Khalif Barnes.
Right now Joeckel is the LT and there is nobody else. No, he isn't consistant, but he has ability and has flashed during camp. Like someone mentioned earlier, he has some hand placement issues to work on. We got what we got right now and there is nobody currently on the roster even close to push him or replace him. My prediction is he will improve greatly as the season progresses. If not, next offseason becomes interesting.
Quote:Lane Johnson: has held his own at LT for the eagles. Banned 4 games to start 2014 season
Johnson is a right tackle
Quote:I get it.
I'm not demanding every LT be Boselli.
I would be happy with a level of play equal to Ben Coleman when he subbed for Boselli, or even year one Khalif Barnes.
I didn't mean to say you're wrong, just that obviously help isn't on the way, sometimes a team just has to figure out how to work around a deficiency. Luckily pocket presence and movement seems to be one of Bortles strengths, so if the rest of the line can hold up I think it can work even if Joeckel isn't great.
Quote:Was this just a miss by Caldwell? Is the NFL too much for Joeckel? Eric Fisher too?
Dude only gave up 1 sack last year.
signed,
T. Boselli
Quote:I didn't mean to say you're wrong, just that obviously help isn't on the way, sometimes a team just has to figure out how to work around a deficiency. Luckily pocket presence and movement seems to be one of Bortles strengths, so if the rest of the line can hold up I think it can work even if Joeckel isn't great.
I didn't take it that way. I think we agree here.
Quote:It sort of makes me wonder if this entire line of thinking is why Marcedes is even still on the team after the signing of Thomas and drafting of a TE. A lot of two tight end sights with Marcedes making sure the end on his side doesn't just get to run around Joeckel.
Weren't they running something to this effect in camp a few times? Would make a lot of sense to me
Quote:The pick was pretty widely approved of at the time. The top of the 2013 draft was a pretty sad place to be. I mean, the first overall pick was an offensive tackle from Eastern Michigan. That's not exactly a marquee year.
Just nitpicking, but Fisher was from Central Michigan, but I agree with your point.
He doesn't deserve it yet, but I could see Joeckel given this season plus next season with Marrone to become an average LT. He was injured, then coachless, and now is his rookie season?
Only scenario I see him being replaced next offseason is if he is consistently embarrassed this season, and we're in position to draft a bonafide LT without trading up. Bottomline, Joeckel needs to man up
Quote:I still believe that all of Joeckel's problems involve technique specifically with hand placement. I feel that he will improve over the course of this season and become a much better player over time. Give Marrone a little more time to coach him up and if Marrone can't help him then the Jags can draft his replacement next year.
Technique may be part f it but I maintain that his biggest problem is that he is soft, and plays with about as much edge as a balloon....and all that kinda stuff.
Agree with many that he hasn't lived up to draft status, and likely won't. But, I hope he develops into an average one at least. There is not another answer on the current roster to take over, and I wouldn't like to see Caldwell forced into using a high draft choice on another next year.
He protected a scrambling QB in college. No he's not the right choice for the NFL. Been saying it since day 1.
The spin on Joeckel is an absolute joke. Oehser says "most left tackles dont come into the league playing at a high level".... That may be true, but the good ones usually start off playing well right away. Tackle is always overdrafted now days, but how often have we seen a bad tackle develop into a good one?
This is year 3.... I realize he has an injury history, but by now we should know if he is going to justify being a second overall pick. I dont think he'll ever live up to that.
Quote:Johnson is a right tackle
Thanks for the clarification. So in 2013 the top 15 saw a lot of picks were for RT and guards, fewer were the premium spot of LT.
I agree that his start has been less than impressive, but should we at least wait for a couple of games this season before throwing in the towel ?
It's not like we have someone significantly better on the roster anyway.
Quote:I agree that his start has been less than impressive, but should we at least wait for a couple of games this season before throwing in the towel ?
It's not like we have someone significantly better on the roster anyway.
Besides the fact that he was out of position/hurt his rookie year and had zero coaching last year, and his problems seem to stem from technique which is coaching, and Marrone who's one of the best OL coaches likes him and thinks he'll do well.....
Seriously let them play a bit with the new offense first.
Quote:The spin on Joeckel is an absolute joke. Oehser says "most left tackles dont come into the league playing at a high level".... That may be true, but the good ones usually start off playing well right away. Tackle is always overdrafted now days, but how often have we seen a bad tackle develop into a good one?
This is year 3.... I realize he has an injury history, but by now we should know if he is going to justify being a second overall pick. I dont think he'll ever live up to that.
The guy has played 1 season at LT. Let's not exaggerate his experience here.
Quote:The guy has played 1 season at LT. Let's not exaggerate his experience here.
Let's not minimize it, either.
He played LT his entire time at Texas A & M.
It's not as if he is entirely new at the position.
Granted, LT at the college level isn't the same as LT at the NFL level, but it isn't as if he knew NOTHING about the position when he reached the NFL.
Quote:Let's not minimize it, either.
He played LT his entire time at Texas A & M.
It's not as if he is entirely new at the position.
Granted, LT at the college level isn't the same as LT at the NFL level, but it isn't as if he knew NOTHING about the position when he reached the NFL.
Everyone in the NFL played college ball and most played the same position that they did in the NFL.
This isn't some special qualifier for Joeckel.