He sounds like he is just going thru the motions now in press conferences. Gotta play better, its on me, locker room is still positive, etc etc. But he sounds uncharacteristically beaten down, tired and cynical already, especially for a young man of 22. Surrounded by so much dysfunction, who can blame him? Not good.
(11-24-2021, 10:59 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Here is my biggest fear with this regime and the franchise black eye. Who is coming here as a free agent? Can we even hope that anyone will resign that has even a drop of talent? We are going to be ACL reclaim project team because I just don't see people wanting to be involved with Urbz.
Big money will always draw a quality free agent or two regardless.
And they'll do some sort-of facelift/overhaul with the coaching staff even if Khan doesn't have the salt to just go ahead and clean house.
Whomever is left at the helm ( urban/baalke or otherwise) will sell some players and agents on a "new direction" and load the contracts to make it palatable.
They absolutely won't be as desirable a destination as other spots for those players with refined ideals and career goals beyond dollar signs, but many free agents just chase the money and the Jags have it to spend.
(11-24-2021, 11:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Big money will always draw a quality free agent or two regardless.
If they offer big money. If they set their hard limits and refuse to go over them then they'll miss out on all of their priority targets again.
(11-24-2021, 11:57 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2021, 11:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Big money will always draw a quality free agent or two regardless.
If they offer big money. If they set their hard limits and refuse to go over them then they'll miss out on all of their priority targets again.
I'm not ready to make assumptions about who "they" will be or whether or not "they" alter strategy in any way.
(Not to mention the rumor-mill nature of what you are implying they did in 2021 free agency)
All I'm saying is what we know to be true year in and year out in this league. Money talks.
Do I have any faith that a Baalke/Meyer front office will manage to attract the best free agents? Absolutely zero faith.
But the possibility exists that this organization does manage to attract helpful talent due to the nature of free agents chasing paychecks.
(11-25-2021, 12:40 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Good article that covers all angles
Bleacher Report: Trevor Lawrence Was Dubbed the NFL's Next Great QB, Why Doesn't He Look Like It?.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2950...ok-like-it
That article blatantly refutes this thread that you started.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Lawrence struggling here shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. He was tasked with leading a 1 - 15 team with no talent on it. The roster was gutted with Caldwell on his way out and the draft picks he made the previous year were not all that great. Bartch and Allen are about as good as it gets. I don't think the offensive line has played that bad this year. They just seem to get penalized a lot. Again, nothing new there as it was an issue with Marrone as well. Nothing changed personnel wise.
Your best receiver is a FA that wasn't a number one receiver to begin with skill wise. Your 2nd best receiver was Agnew, a rookie learning the position after playing CB. Chark can't stay healthy. Shenault either has bricks for hands or is not being properly schemed by the coaching staff. Which, this is where the majority of my frustrations are fixing to be rattled off about it.
Bevell.... sucks. He's not doing enough IMHO. Meyer.... also sucks. He's not doing enough to takeover the games and get his rookie QB out of a hole. Not enough drive starters. One game they're using the RPO and spread formation, which works, then, the next? It's predictable, flat and boring football. Robinson was underutilized all year before the injury. The lack of getting him involved in every aspect of the game bothers me. Very rarely do we see any efforts being made with RB and TE screen plays or swing passes, anything, something, just something short, sweet and simple to start a drive.
Khan needs to throw Meyer and Bevell out. I would keep Cullen and I would keep Schonttenheimer but they need to be pursuing Kellen Moore out of Dallas in the off season along with Brian Daboll out of Buffalo to try and get them over here to head coach the team. I'll throw Greg Roman from Baltimore and Eric Bieniemy out there as well from Kansas City.
At least they seem like they know what they're doing in the NFL from a scheming perspective. They would probably call their own offense as the head coach. So far though, just not a fan of Meyer and Bevell. Wasn't a fan to begin with. I think they made an colossal error by not firing Marrone a year earlier and going after Kevin Stefanski before Cleveland landed him in 2020. Ultimately, as many others have pointed out or cited.
Lawrence was doomed from the beginning. At least in 2021 he was. This roster still has voids to fill, not holes, VOIDS. As it's completely devoid of any substantial talent. I think they should have kept Minshew on the roster for this year, let Lawrence sit, let him learn slowly from the sideline and then maybe had given him the reigns NOW around this this time of the year instead of giving Minshew away to the Eagles for nothing in return.
They need to build around him the way Polian built around Manning. Hopefully Baalke can trade down with what will probably end up being a top 3 - 5 pick at this point. Unless they're convinced Kyle Hamilton is the next Sean Taylor or better at Safety or Jordan Davis is a stronger and better version than Marcus Stroud potentially? I don't like the idea of them going anywhere near defense in next year's draft outside of those two players.
Prefer they target Traylon Burks, Drake London & Justyn Ross at WR. I actually like Dan Arnold at TE but having another viable receiving threat over there with him like Jalen Wydermyer, Trey McBride or Jake Ferguson would be helpful during his young career. Hopefully Etienne is ready to go next year as well at RB. They just have a ton of work to do across the roster.
Zion Johnson at G and Jarrett Patterson at C would be great additions as well. Assuming Walker Little takes over Cam Robinson's job in 2022. Jawaan Taylor is showing you why he fell out of the top ten discussion from his draft class as well. Just not living up to his potential or his frame overall. Gee, shocker, another flounder landed out of the Florida Gator program.
(11-25-2021, 01:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2021, 12:40 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Good article that covers all angles
Bleacher Report: Trevor Lawrence Was Dubbed the NFL's Next Great QB, Why Doesn't He Look Like It?.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2950...ok-like-it
That article blatantly refutes this thread that you started.
Happy Thanksgiving!
More like verifies my original post and that was way back in week 4. I always said it's not entirely on Lawrence but he has struggled too. If you want to be blind and you think Lawrence is playing lights out and everybody else is the issue you are welcome to do so.
So I see this thread has come full circle! Ultimately, this is a long preseason for Lawrence. I hope he learns enough from this year so next year, once we have better talent, he can take the next steps as our franchise QB. There is no plan B. Trevor is our guy. The boats have been burned. There is no going back. We should all hope for his success. I think our patience will be well rewarded.
(11-26-2021, 12:14 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]So I see this thread has come full circle! Ultimately, this is a long preseason for Lawrence. I hope he learns enough from this year so next year, once we have better talent, he can take the next steps as our franchise QB. There is no plan B. Trevor is our guy. The boats have been burned. There is no going back. We should all hope for his success. I think our patience will be well rewarded.
As long as Urban and Baalke are here there wont be any rewards, only disasters, more losing and possibly a ruined franchise QB as well.
Fun take that'll make some heads explode.. Gardner Minshew was a far batter rookie QB than Trevor Lawrence. Oof. I wonder how their year 2s will compare, lets remember Minshew had arguably a less talented WR/TE group and basically the same O Line as well.
I'm not gonna deny the prospect potential in Lawrence, it's way higher than the outlook on GM... But now that we have the NFL tape... It's kinda funny that Minshew is the clear cut better QB as a rookie.
(11-26-2021, 12:19 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Fun take that'll make some heads explode.. Gardner Minshew was a far batter rookie QB than Trevor Lawrence. Oof. I wonder how their year 2s will compare, lets remember Minshew had arguably a less talented WR/TE group and basically the same O Line as well.
I'm not gonna deny the prospect potential in Lawrence, it's way higher than the outlook on GM... But now that we have the NFL tape... It's kinda funny that Minshew is the clear cut better QB as a rookie.
Coaching and game plans make a difference. It's why we thought a more talented Lawrence would be better, not realizing that the offset of the now terrible coaching would outweigh his abilities.
(11-26-2021, 12:19 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Fun take that'll make some heads explode.. Gardner Minshew was a far batter rookie QB than Trevor Lawrence. Oof. I wonder how their year 2s will compare, lets remember Minshew had arguably a less talented WR/TE group and basically the same O Line as well.
I'm not gonna deny the prospect potential in Lawrence, it's way higher than the outlook on GM... But now that we have the NFL tape... It's kinda funny that Minshew is the clear cut better QB as a rookie.
And? I love Minshew but his ceiling unfortunately was low and defenses were able to begin effectively game planning against him.
And the “we need to wait to evaluate rookie QBs” knife cuts both ways. RG3 had a great rookie year and look how that turned out. You have to give the QB time, and a right situation to evaluate, before making any final judgement calls.
Lawrence is a rookie and deserves to be given ample leeway when he undoubtedly makes rookie mistakes.
I demand absolute perfection from Urban Meyer.
this game against the falcons will be Trevor’s breakout game from this funk.
(11-26-2021, 01:39 PM)TearExtractor Wrote: [ -> ]Lawrence is a rookie and deserves to be given ample leeway when he undoubtedly makes rookie mistakes.
I demand absolute perfection from Urban Meyer.
I demand competence from Urban Meyer, the very least we should get from an NFL head coach. We're still way short of him demonstrating even a smidge thus far.
(11-26-2021, 01:28 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 12:19 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Fun take that'll make some heads explode.. Gardner Minshew was a far batter rookie QB than Trevor Lawrence. Oof. I wonder how their year 2s will compare, lets remember Minshew had arguably a less talented WR/TE group and basically the same O Line as well.
I'm not gonna deny the prospect potential in Lawrence, it's way higher than the outlook on GM... But now that we have the NFL tape... It's kinda funny that Minshew is the clear cut better QB as a rookie.
And? I love Minshew but his ceiling unfortunately was low and defenses were able to begin effectively game planning against him.
And the “we need to wait to evaluate rookie QBs” knife cuts both ways. RG3 had a great rookie year and look how that turned out. You have to give the QB time, and a right situation to evaluate, before making any final judgement calls.
Oh I agree, but you're falling into the same trap with Trevor, he gets every excuse known to man about talent, when Minshew arguably had less around him. We say we need time, Minshew never had an entire season as a starter... So yes, it SHOULD go both ways, yet it didn't for GM. I just find it funny he was far better and got tossed out like chopped liver, but we objectively downgraded(At least in the short term) and he gets the golden pass to suck even more than Minshew. Its just funny to me, I think Lawrence will end up better but just how things are portrayed vs reality is comical, is all.
(11-26-2021, 02:45 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2021, 01:28 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]And? I love Minshew but his ceiling unfortunately was low and defenses were able to begin effectively game planning against him.
And the “we need to wait to evaluate rookie QBs” knife cuts both ways. RG3 had a great rookie year and look how that turned out. You have to give the QB time, and a right situation to evaluate, before making any final judgement calls.
Oh I agree, but you're falling into the same trap with Trevor, he gets every excuse known to man about talent, when Minshew arguably had less around him. We say we need time, Minshew never had an entire season as a starter... So yes, it SHOULD go both ways, yet it didn't for GM. I just find it funny he was far better and got tossed out like chopped liver, but we objectively downgraded(At least in the short term) and he gets the golden pass to suck even more than Minshew. Its just funny to me, I think Lawrence will end up better but just how things are portrayed vs reality is comical, is all.
I appreciate the excitement and fun that Minshew brought to us for a little while, but just because the resulting appearance of game outcome was similar to some degree doesn't mean they're showing the same ability and limitations. Unfortunately Minshew seemed to have some major limitations that eventually showed. Maybe Lawrence will, too, but he needs another season or so with a reasonable team around him to really get an idea of where he is and where he's going.
Unfortunately the coaching around him has been so bad so far that it has been hard to tell which problems were Trevor and which were due to coaches not having the team prepared. Worse yet with the absence of Chark and Agnew Trevor doesn't have anyone that can help him show his biggest advantages over Minshew, arm talent and vision. If Trevor does much of anything the rest of the way it looks like it's going to be toothpicks and bubblegum style.
His accuracy is more and more becoming an issue. He will occasionally throw the amazing throw but more often then not he is way off the mark. Even many of his completed throws today, receivers had to work harder than they should.He is often throwing behind receivers or way over the top of them. He is missing recievers by 5 yards who are five yards away from him. I don't know if it's his shoulder or what, but his accuracy is becoming a big concern. Look how bad he looked that entire last drive. Most of the incompletiions were on him.