(12-31-2021, 10:24 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2021, 10:05 AM)ClemsonRob Wrote: [ -> ]What? I’m a Clemson grad. We did not have a great o-line his sophomore or junior year and he had limited weapons his junior year… We had a great team his Frosh year and good weapons his Soph year but the line was soft that year. Even softer Junior year…
I am not a college football fan but was he missing 5 yard passes at Clemson or throwing the ball off target on a regular basis like he has been in the NFL. If not, why has it changed so much?
A terrible offensive scheme led by a bad play caller throwing to receivers who run bad outes. cant get open, or drop it when it hits them the hands. Been that way for months now and yet people keep asking what's wrong. ?
(12-31-2021, 10:24 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2021, 10:05 AM)ClemsonRob Wrote: [ -> ]What? I’m a Clemson grad. We did not have a great o-line his sophomore or junior year and he had limited weapons his junior year… We had a great team his Frosh year and good weapons his Soph year but the line was soft that year. Even softer Junior year…
I am not a college football fan but was he missing 5 yard passes at Clemson or throwing the ball off target on a regular basis like he has been in the NFL. If not, why has it changed so much?
No he was not. He was fairly accurate in college. I will say he had better weapons his first 2 years in college than he does now and the guys he had his last year weren’t great by Clemson standards but they were able to get to the correct spots and catch the ball, usually.
Not sure why he isn’t playing better. I assume it is a combination of a lot of things. Seems like Jags made the wrong move w him at every stage.
He and ETN have a good connection. Hopefully ETN makes it back and becomes his outlet / safety valve.
If he has a real #1 next year that should help too.
(12-31-2021, 10:32 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2021, 10:24 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I am not a college football fan but was he missing 5 yard passes at Clemson or throwing the ball off target on a regular basis like he has been in the NFL. If not, why has it changed so much?
A terrible offensive scheme led by a bad play caller throwing to receivers who run bad outes. cant get open, or drop it when it hits them the hands. Been that way for months now and yet people keep asking what's wrong. ?
Agreed. Is Trevor lighting the world on fire? No. Is he in an awful situation? Yep…
I watched every one of his college games. He will be fine if given half a chance.
Willing to bet he hits 30 TDs or more next year and over 4500 yards combined between rushing and passing.
Hope like hell the next coach is Doug Pederson and he's poaching Taylor or Groh from Reich's staff to help call the offense.
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(12-30-2021, 08:09 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (12-30-2021, 10:40 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-j...le-jaguars
One could argue he does fit the face of a 2-14 team how he is playing
(12-30-2021, 07:16 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of calls for TL to be benched because "safety". With so many players out with the 'rona, including 3/5's of the o-line, there are a lot of calls to play CJ instead to protect TL. So when CJ plays an undeniably better game with a practice squad lineup, what's the excuse for TL going to be then?
What would happen if they benched Lawrence and Beathard has a good game and we win it? The off-season would be even more insane.
If they play cj it may actually force them to scheme differently and come up with a gameplan that actually works. Id still feel that they are idiots tho.
Also, if TL gets a mulligan was this just a "metoo" hate TL thread for all the non QB gurus to chime in on. All the logic being thrown around about why he hasnt made the team a middle tier almost playoff team in 1 yr , whether the coach was fired or not, keeps on coming. I guess those other teams/coaching staffs with rookie QBs mustve struck gold and have had their guy carrying the team and lighting it up most of the year.
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(12-31-2021, 07:02 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-30-2021, 08:09 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]One could argue he does fit the face of a 2-14 team how he is playing
What would happen if they benched Lawrence and Beathard has a good game and we win it? The off-season would be even more insane.
If they play cj it may actually force them to scheme differently and come up with a gameplan that actually works. Id still feel that they are idiots tho.
Also, if TL gets a mulligan was this just a "metoo" hate TL thread for all the non QB gurus to chime in on. All the logic being thrown around about why he hasnt made the team a middle tier almost playoff team in 1 yr , whether the coach was fired or not, keeps on coming. I guess those other teams/coaching staffs with rookie QBs mustve struck gold and have had their guy carrying the team and lighting it up most of the year.
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When you have zero protection, decimated run blocking from o-line injuries, a decimated receiving corps that sucked before being decimated, a rookie QB, and a ruptured achilles on the only single player on offense you could count on ...
... THERE IS NO GAMEPLAN AND NO SCHEME THAT WILL WORK
(12-31-2021, 08:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2021, 07:02 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]If they play cj it may actually force them to scheme differently and come up with a gameplan that actually works. Id still feel that they are idiots tho.
Also, if TL gets a mulligan was this just a "metoo" hate TL thread for all the non QB gurus to chime in on. All the logic being thrown around about why he hasnt made the team a middle tier almost playoff team in 1 yr , whether the coach was fired or not, keeps on coming. I guess those other teams/coaching staffs with rookie QBs mustve struck gold and have had their guy carrying the team and lighting it up most of the year.
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When you have zero protection, decimated run blocking from o-line injuries, a decimated receiving corps that sucked before being decimated, a rookie QB, and a ruptured achilles on the only single player on offense you could count on ...
... THERE IS NO GAMEPLAN AND NO SCHEME THAT WILL WORK
If that's the case then you unfairly maligned UM. Your judgement is so stained by your emotions that you shouldn't trust a thing you type.
(12-31-2021, 09:36 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2021, 08:56 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]When you have zero protection, decimated run blocking from o-line injuries, a decimated receiving corps that sucked before being decimated, a rookie QB, and a ruptured achilles on the only single player on offense you could count on ...
... THERE IS NO GAMEPLAN AND NO SCHEME THAT WILL WORK
If that's the case then you unfairly maligned UM. Your judgement is so stained by your emotions that you shouldn't trust a thing you type.
Yes yes, it's not the guy in charge of signing the roster's fault that the roster has a severe talent deficiency.
(12-31-2021, 09:43 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2021, 09:36 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]If that's the case then you unfairly maligned UM. Your judgement is so stained by your emotions that you shouldn't trust a thing you type.
Yes yes, it's not the guy in charge of signing the roster's fault that the roster has a severe talent deficiency.
I could care less about UM. Never been a fan of Ohio St or Florida. I'm making no argument as to the degree of good or bad he was as an NFL coach. I am pointing out that every time you bring in a new coaching regime with the goal of turning over a bad roster then you are looking at a three-year commitment and you start over at zero each time you quit on the last guy. The NFL has a 48-man game day roster. Between drafting and FA you can, at most, turnover 10 guys on that roster with only five being impact players. The Jags, by near universal consensus here, need a complete overhaul. A near total roster refresh. That's three years MINIMUM until the roster is turned over.
And now that's three more seasons until TL has a chance of a high talent roster. And keeping the same GM who built this current roster. If the defense of TL requires him to have great talent around him before he plays well then that defense will never be realised.
(01-01-2022, 11:25 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ybe-great/
Well damn we have posters here smarter then belichick.
Sounds like he's saying it's a wash at this point. Belichick doesn't tilt backwards or sideways nor lean overly forward with his comments.
Typical coach speak.
Other than that. It's a New Year. Hopefully Khan makes a hire soon and another fire soon with Baalke.
We all know Belichick would have the same results in New England with Lawrence and the $140M in cap money he spent last year.
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(01-01-2022, 12:32 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2022, 11:25 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ybe-great/
Well damn we have posters here smarter then belichick.
Sounds like he's saying it's a wash at this point. Belichick doesn't tilt backwards or sideways nor lean overly forward with his comments.
Typical coach speak.
Other than that. It's a New Year. Hopefully Khan makes a hire soon and another fire soon with Baalke.
We all know Belichick would have the same results in New England with Lawrence and the $140M in cap money he spent last year.
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Indeed. Put mac Jones here and he’s got same stats as Trevor, maybe worse
(01-01-2022, 11:25 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ybe-great/
Well damn we have posters here smarter then belichick.
“I think he’s gotten more comfortable as the season’s gone on and gotten comfortable with the offense,” Belichick said. “I’d say the offense has probably gotten comfortable with the things he does best.
Definitely, a good level of execution there. They did a good job last week against the Jets, mixing in different varieties of passes, quick throws, moving pocket throws, deep balls, third down conversions, red area plays. He’s pretty good at all of them and continues to get better. So I think he’s had a good year and
I think he’ll be a solid NFL player. Maybe great, I don’t know, but he’s certainly made a lot of progress this year.”
1) Good level of execution on offense? At the Jags? This season with one TD pass in nine games?
2) From generational talent to "I think" a "solid" player?
Belichick is talking out the side of his mouth and he and I are on exactly the same page.
(01-01-2022, 04:30 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2022, 11:25 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ybe-great/
Well damn we have posters here smarter then belichick.
“I think he’s gotten more comfortable as the season’s gone on and gotten comfortable with the offense,” Belichick said. “I’d say the offense has probably gotten comfortable with the things he does best. Definitely, a good level of execution there. They did a good job last week against the Jets, mixing in different varieties of passes, quick throws, moving pocket throws, deep balls, third down conversions, red area plays. He’s pretty good at all of them and continues to get better. So I think he’s had a good year and I think he’ll be a solid NFL player. Maybe great, I don’t know, but he’s certainly made a lot of progress this year.”
1) Good level of execution on offense? At the Jags? This season with one TD pass in nine games?
2) From generational talent to "I think" a "solid" player?
Belichick is talking out the side of his mouth and he and I are on exactly the same page.
Generational talent are your words not mine. Maybe you should adjust your expectations accordingly, or go root for another team since you are only here one player, who you refuse to reveal out of what I assume personal shame as to their performance
(01-01-2022, 04:34 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2022, 04:30 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]“I think he’s gotten more comfortable as the season’s gone on and gotten comfortable with the offense,” Belichick said. “I’d say the offense has probably gotten comfortable with the things he does best. Definitely, a good level of execution there. They did a good job last week against the Jets, mixing in different varieties of passes, quick throws, moving pocket throws, deep balls, third down conversions, red area plays. He’s pretty good at all of them and continues to get better. So I think he’s had a good year and I think he’ll be a solid NFL player. Maybe great, I don’t know, but he’s certainly made a lot of progress this year.”
1) Good level of execution on offense? At the Jags? This season with one TD pass in nine games?
2) From generational talent to "I think" a "solid" player?
Belichick is talking out the side of his mouth and he and I are on exactly the same page.
Generational talent are your words not mine. Maybe you should adjust your expectations accordingly, or go root for another team since you are only here one player, who you refuse to reveal out of what I assume personal shame as to their performance
Speaking of adjusted expectations, here's Belichick in the same press conference speaking of Zac Wilson. Who does he rate more? Wilson or Lawrence?
“He’s an explosive player… got a great arm… a live arm. Can make all the throws. Every time he goes out there and plays well, and has the opportunity to get better.
It’s impressive. Whether it’s out of the pocket, in the pocket, it’s the unpredictability that comes with players like that. We have to be ready to defend it”
(01-01-2022, 04:30 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2022, 11:25 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ybe-great/
Well damn we have posters here smarter then belichick.
“I think he’s gotten more comfortable as the season’s gone on and gotten comfortable with the offense,” Belichick said. “I’d say the offense has probably gotten comfortable with the things he does best. Definitely, a good level of execution there. They did a good job last week against the Jets, mixing in different varieties of passes, quick throws, moving pocket throws, deep balls, third down conversions, red area plays. He’s pretty good at all of them and continues to get better. So I think he’s had a good year and I think he’ll be a solid NFL player. Maybe great, I don’t know, but he’s certainly made a lot of progress this year.”
1) Good level of execution on offense? At the Jags? This season with one TD pass in nine games?
2) From generational talent to "I think" a "solid" player?
Belichick is talking out the side of his mouth and he and I are on exactly the same page.
In my experience coaches tend to praise bad players plenty. That he doesn't have much to say about Trevor doesn't really mean much except that he probably isn't worried about the Jaguars in any way, and I don't see why he should be.
(01-01-2022, 04:37 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2022, 04:34 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Generational talent are your words not mine. Maybe you should adjust your expectations accordingly, or go root for another team since you are only here one player, who you refuse to reveal out of what I assume personal shame as to their performance
Speaking of adjusted expectations, here's Belichick in the same press conference speaking of Zac Wilson. Who does he rate more? Wilson or Lawrence?
“He’s an explosive player… got a great arm… a live arm. Can make all the throws. Every time he goes out there and plays well, and has the opportunity to get better.
It’s impressive. Whether it’s out of the pocket, in the pocket, it’s the unpredictability that comes with players like that. We have to be ready to defend it”
So when BB offers praise for Trevor’s game is coach speak but when it’s for Wilson it’s legit. I.e, heads you win tails I lose.
(01-01-2022, 04:42 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (01-01-2022, 04:37 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of adjusted expectations, here's Belichick in the same press conference speaking of Zac Wilson. Who does he rate more? Wilson or Lawrence?
“He’s an explosive player… got a great arm… a live arm. Can make all the throws. Every time he goes out there and plays well, and has the opportunity to get better.
It’s impressive. Whether it’s out of the pocket, in the pocket, it’s the unpredictability that comes with players like that. We have to be ready to defend it”
So when BB offers praise for Trevor’s game is coach speak but when it’s for Wilson it’s legit. I.e, heads you win tails I lose.
No. LOL.
There's coach speak.
Then, there's "I'll see you twice a year in my division" coach speak.
I think everybody is looking too much into his words. This is common speak in the NFL from most coaches.
It's empty praise at the end of the day. Also, it's business.
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