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(07-13-2022, 12:38 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think Nick Foles and Trevor Lawrence have the same talent?

Sure sounds like that's what he was saying.  Or 'lack there of' anyway.

(07-13-2022, 12:30 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-12-2022, 10:25 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]My take.  Let’s see if I’m proven wrong.  But I suspect we’ll be trading for a veteran to “mentor” TL before the Nov 1 trading deadline (week 8 is the last week to trade).

I mentioned the following in another thread: Hopefully Pederson can iron that out, and I think he has to be a success with the Jaguars.  My concern with Pederson is that he has to turn Lawrence into a Nick Foles type of QB.  A guy that can run his offense, but becomes very readable after a season or a few games for the NFL defenses.

Thought I would expand on the above, with a reference to the Tedford Factor.  Jeff Tedford QBs in college were taught a system that limited their ability to read the defense across the whole field post-snap, narrowing or eliminating their window to find open off-script receivers.  In college the QB system worked great, getting 5 Tedford QBs selected highly in the NFL draft, only to find that their ability to read the field in an NFL offense were lacking.  

This was my concern in the previous post, and something I thought was relevant to the Jags (having traded for Nick Foles.)  If Pederson has to continually simplify the offense to fit Trevor Lawrence's skill set (or lack there of) he may get some increases in production, but for a short time.  NFL defenses will be able to solve the pre-read play calling.  I would say that in the NFL off-script plays are a necessity, which is why QBs like Mahomes and Josh Allen are so successful.

On the flip side, the article I posted was about Aaron Rodgers who was the 6th Tedford QB.  After sitting on the bench for 3 years and learning the NFL offense requirements, he was able to overcome the system he learned from Jeff Tedford.

I find these rare takes on Lawrence's supposed inability to read coverage to be laughable. 
The Bevell/Meyer playbook had receivers running some sketchy routes to begin with and the receivers that ended up playing most of the year either weren't running them accurately or weren't getting any separation on a very high percentage of targets. 

How many times did we see obvious miscommunications between route runner and QB?  (Often turning out to be confirmed as a bad route or incorrect route run.)

Pederson is clearly (and wisely) tailoring the new playbook to Trevor's strengths. (something Bevell and Meyer did the opposite of) 
But that's not necessarily some "dumbing down." It's just what good coaches and coordinators do. 
Trevor made a number of very impressive anticipatory throws last season and he made quite a few throws to receivers on improvised routes. He could be better at the latter, but it seems like a petty gripe. Not tough to solve. 

I find this narrative to be mostly hogwash.
I don't think he's facing any steeper learning curve than your typical 1st round rookie QB headed into year 2. 

(Other than the fact that his rookie camp was half wasted in a fake QB competition and his rookie season was limited by idiotic coaching.)

(07-13-2022, 12:38 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think Nick Foles and Trevor Lawrence have the same talent?

Not sure who this comment was directed towards, but if it was me. Absolutely not, Nick Foles was not at all very talented. 

Nick Foles is a very old school pocket passer kind of QB. I think the reason Lawrence was so interesting as a prospect was because he has the physical ability to do a little bit of everything, while also being a huge 6'6 QB. Ironically I think Travon Walker and Trevor Lawrence as prospects are about as similar as they could be. They have a very special combination of Physical attributes and ability. Lawrence has the ability to be very similar to Patrick Mahomes based purely on his physical ability... maybe not quite the same cannon arm, but fairly close. 

For me, as much as people think I hate Lawrence and I don't.. I just want to see him improve in the areas that worried me when he was coming out of college. My main issue with his play last year wasn't his stats or his win/loss record. It's that I basically saw all of the bad that I saw in Clemson, and very very little of the good from Clemson and almost no improvement. 

I really, really hope that he makes a big jump this year and has actually been putting in the effort in the off-season to correct his flaws.. we will know soon tho. Hoping for the best.

Like a moth to a flame…

(07-14-2022, 09:25 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-13-2022, 12:38 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think Nick Foles and Trevor Lawrence have the same talent?

Not sure who this comment was directed towards, but if it was me. Absolutely not, Nick Foles was not at all very talented. 

Nick Foles is a very old school pocket passer kind of QB. I think the reason Lawrence was so interesting as a prospect was because he has the physical ability to do a little bit of everything, while also being a huge 6'6 QB. Ironically I think Travon Walker and Trevor Lawrence as prospects are about as similar as they could be. They have a very special combination of Physical attributes and ability. Lawrence has the ability to be very similar to Patrick Mahomes based purely on his physical ability... maybe not quite the same cannon arm, but fairly close. 

For me, as much as people think I hate Lawrence and I don't.. I just want to see him improve in the areas that worried me when he was coming out of college. My main issue with his play last year wasn't his stats or his win/loss record. It's that I basically saw all of the bad that I saw in Clemson, and very very little of the good from Clemson and almost no improvement. 

I really, really hope that he makes a big jump this year and has actually been putting in the effort in the off-season to correct his flaws.. we will know soon tho. Hoping for the best.

You saw lousy receivers running wrong routes and dropping passes at Clemson?  You saw a defense that was so bad that by the time he took the field he was forced to carry the whole team on his back and play from behind?  Clemson had the worst head coach of all time?  You saw all that at Clemson?  

I can answer those questions for you: no, no, no, and no.  

You're just trolling.  Get a life.  Don't drag this out for another hundred pages.

(07-15-2022, 05:01 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2022, 09:25 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure who this comment was directed towards, but if it was me. Absolutely not, Nick Foles was not at all very talented. 

Nick Foles is a very old school pocket passer kind of QB. I think the reason Lawrence was so interesting as a prospect was because he has the physical ability to do a little bit of everything, while also being a huge 6'6 QB. Ironically I think Travon Walker and Trevor Lawrence as prospects are about as similar as they could be. They have a very special combination of Physical attributes and ability. Lawrence has the ability to be very similar to Patrick Mahomes based purely on his physical ability... maybe not quite the same cannon arm, but fairly close. 

For me, as much as people think I hate Lawrence and I don't.. I just want to see him improve in the areas that worried me when he was coming out of college. My main issue with his play last year wasn't his stats or his win/loss record. It's that I basically saw all of the bad that I saw in Clemson, and very very little of the good from Clemson and almost no improvement. 

I really, really hope that he makes a big jump this year and has actually been putting in the effort in the off-season to correct his flaws.. we will know soon tho. Hoping for the best.

You saw lousy receivers running wrong routes and dropping passes at Clemson?  You saw a defense that was so bad that by the time he took the field he was forced to carry the whole team on his back and play from behind?  Clemson had the worst head coach of all time?  You saw all that at Clemson?  

I can answer those questions for you: no, no, no, and no.  

You're just trolling.  Get a life.  Don't drag this out for another hundred pages.

You didn't see offensive play calling so atrocious that they took a pre-seaon candidate for the pro bowl at running back and gave him half as many carries as Carlos [BLEEP] Hyde and then made the rookie throw it 51 times in the very first game. That's all you need to know, absent anything else, about how disgustingly awful last season was.

(07-15-2022, 09:21 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-15-2022, 05:01 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]
You saw lousy receivers running wrong routes and dropping passes at Clemson?  You saw a defense that was so bad that by the time he took the field he was forced to carry the whole team on his back and play from behind?  Clemson had the worst head coach of all time?  You saw all that at Clemson?  

I can answer those questions for you: no, no, no, and no.  

You're just trolling.  Get a life.  Don't drag this out for another hundred pages.

You didn't see offensive play calling so atrocious that they took a pre-seaon candidate for the pro bowl at running back and gave him half as many carries as Carlos [BLEEP] Hyde and then made the rookie throw it 51 times in the very first game. That's all you need to know, absent anything else, about how disgustingly awful last season was.

That is the first mistake. This guy doesn't see anything, he just makes it up as he goes along....lol

(07-14-2022, 09:36 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Like a moth to a flame…

(07-15-2022, 05:01 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2022, 09:25 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure who this comment was directed towards, but if it was me. Absolutely not, Nick Foles was not at all very talented. 

Nick Foles is a very old school pocket passer kind of QB. I think the reason Lawrence was so interesting as a prospect was because he has the physical ability to do a little bit of everything, while also being a huge 6'6 QB. Ironically I think Travon Walker and Trevor Lawrence as prospects are about as similar as they could be. They have a very special combination of Physical attributes and ability. Lawrence has the ability to be very similar to Patrick Mahomes based purely on his physical ability... maybe not quite the same cannon arm, but fairly close. 

For me, as much as people think I hate Lawrence and I don't.. I just want to see him improve in the areas that worried me when he was coming out of college. My main issue with his play last year wasn't his stats or his win/loss record. It's that I basically saw all of the bad that I saw in Clemson, and very very little of the good from Clemson and almost no improvement. 

I really, really hope that he makes a big jump this year and has actually been putting in the effort in the off-season to correct his flaws.. we will know soon tho. Hoping for the best.

You saw lousy receivers running wrong routes and dropping passes at Clemson?  You saw a defense that was so bad that by the time he took the field he was forced to carry the whole team on his back and play from behind?  Clemson had the worst head coach of all time?  You saw all that at Clemson?  

I can answer those questions for you: no, no, no, and no.  

You're just trolling.  Get a life.  Don't drag this out for another hundred pages.

So you're telling me that every bad play, every mistake Trevor Lawrence made in one of the worst rookie seasons in recent memory, was soley the result of his coaching and WRs dropping passes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B0Dg8qKPLQ

Unfortunately I don't have the time to make a video for you of every bad play he made last year, so let's go over just the interceptions in this video.

1. Scrambles, throws a high pass over a wide open WR. 100% his fault. Unless you want to blame the WR/Coaches for the WR being so open that Trevor couldn't hit him? idk.
2. 2nd a 9, panics under pressure and throws into triple coverage, WR was not open and it was not 3rd down.. throw the ball away.. Now while you could argue the play went nowhere because of poor playcalling, you can't tell me the interception is not his fault. Bad choice to throw the ball. Not to mention they were backed inside their own endzone with 2 mins left in the half. Also the tight end was wide open at the first down marker. ? poor decision. 
3. Panics under pressure, again. This time throwing it directly into a defenders hands.. two defenders in the area, intended target was 5-10 yards further down the field. Poor decision and throw under pressure..
4. Steps up, throws it late on the out and gets picked. No anticipation, but this actually is something I tend to put in the "rookie mistake" category, early in the season and still adjusting to the speed of the game.. you get away with that in college just not in the NFL.
5. 50/50 ball, this is a case where the WR being trash comes into play, cannot fault him for this one unless you want to get nit picky and say he shoulda thrown it further to the sideline but that's asking a lot of anyone especially a rookie.
6. Ball bounced outta the TEs hands, 100% not Trevors fault in any way. 
7. Flea flicker, thrown late.. terrible play call but still can't imagine why he would attempt this pass.. there was no way it was going anywhere but into a defenders hands.
8. Throws to a completely locked up WR in the endzone, gets picked off by the underneath guy.. Now there was no time left in the half so you could argue it didn't matter.. but you have a big tight end one on one on the left side.. and you throw it into a crowd of defenders?.. bad decision regardless.
9. WR had a step, ball was severly underthrown.
10. Panics when the pressure comes in, yeets the ball into double coverage.. terrible
11. Shenault at fault
12. lol. one of the worst ints i've ever seen, something i'd expect from Blaine Gabbert.
13. Again just yeeting the ball into double coverage, to [BLEEP] jaydon mickens of all wrs.
14. Triple coverage, what the hell was he thinking? 
15. 50/50 on the back, and on Trevor. Yes the ball was technically catchable but you're a professional NFL QB, how are you over throwing a 6 yard pass to a RB under 0 pressure.. 
16. Bad decision
17. Read #12 for explanation on this one. 


Regardless of where you want to point blame, and there was plenty to go around last year. He made plenty of mistakes that were 100% his doing. You cannot sit and blame everyone but him when he had as much to do with the failures as anyone else.

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(07-15-2022, 12:59 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-15-2022, 09:21 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You didn't see offensive play calling so atrocious that they took a pre-seaon candidate for the pro bowl at running back and gave him half as many carries as Carlos [BLEEP] Hyde and then made the rookie throw it 51 times in the very first game. That's all you need to know, absent anything else, about how disgustingly awful last season was.

That is the first mistake. This guy doesn't see anything, he just makes it up as he goes along....lol

No, I just don't go full blind homer when it comes to discussing our team here. Notice guy here will point out how horrible the playcalling was, but is still able to tell us how horrific our WRs are? Why is that. Why isn't the play calling an excuse for them? It's only an excuse for the guy we took #1 overall... right?

(07-16-2022, 01:12 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2022, 09:36 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Like a moth to a flame…

(07-15-2022, 05:01 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You saw lousy receivers running wrong routes and dropping passes at Clemson?  You saw a defense that was so bad that by the time he took the field he was forced to carry the whole team on his back and play from behind?  Clemson had the worst head coach of all time?  You saw all that at Clemson?  

I can answer those questions for you: no, no, no, and no.  

You're just trolling.  Get a life.  Don't drag this out for another hundred pages.

So you're telling me that every bad play, every mistake Trevor Lawrence made in one of the worst rookie seasons in recent memory, was soley the result of his coaching and WRs dropping passes?

Regardless of where you want to point blame, and there was plenty to go around last year. He made plenty of mistakes that were 100% his doing. You cannot sit and blame everyone but him when he had as much to do with the failures as anyone else.

Of course I'm not saying that every mistake Trevor made was someone else's fault.  I never said that. 

But I'm sure you could cherry-pick plays from any QB last year, and point to mistakes that were 100% the fault of that QB.  What you seem to be ignoring is the fact that Trevor was a rookie QB on the worst team in the league with the worst head coach in NFL history.

(07-16-2022, 06:27 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-16-2022, 01:12 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]So you're telling me that every bad play, every mistake Trevor Lawrence made in one of the worst rookie seasons in recent memory, was soley the result of his coaching and WRs dropping passes?

Regardless of where you want to point blame, and there was plenty to go around last year. He made plenty of mistakes that were 100% his doing. You cannot sit and blame everyone but him when he had as much to do with the failures as anyone else.

Of course I'm not saying that every mistake Trevor made was someone else's fault.  I never said that. 

But I'm sure you could cherry-pick plays from any QB last year, and point to mistakes that were 100% the fault of that QB.  What you seem to be ignoring is the fact that Trevor was a rookie QB on the worst team in the league with the worst head coach in NFL history.

To go a step further, a lot of other QBs made the same kind of plays that turned out bad for Trevor, but were just incompletions, or even great catches for other QBs because they had much better receivers.

Everyone that understands football beyond just the raw stats watches him play and comes away understanding he actually played well and handled the team around him perfectly, it was everything around him that imploded.

Cjb's takes are going to look ridiculous pretty soon.

(07-16-2022, 07:07 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-16-2022, 06:27 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Of course I'm not saying that every mistake Trevor made was someone else's fault.  I never said that. 

But I'm sure you could cherry-pick plays from any QB last year, and point to mistakes that were 100% the fault of that QB.  What you seem to be ignoring is the fact that Trevor was a rookie QB on the worst team in the league with the worst head coach in NFL history.

To go a step further, a lot of other QBs made the same kind of plays that turned out bad for Trevor, but were just incompletions, or even great catches for other QBs because they had much better receivers.

Everyone that understands football beyond just the raw stats watches him play and comes away understanding he actually played well and handled the team around him perfectly, it was everything around him that imploded.

Cjb's takes are going to look ridiculous pretty soon.

That 8 foot hole he's dug himself already looks ridiculous.

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(07-16-2022, 01:12 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-14-2022, 09:36 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Like a moth to a flame…

(07-15-2022, 05:01 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You saw lousy receivers running wrong routes and dropping passes at Clemson?  You saw a defense that was so bad that by the time he took the field he was forced to carry the whole team on his back and play from behind?  Clemson had the worst head coach of all time?  You saw all that at Clemson?  

I can answer those questions for you: no, no, no, and no.  

You're just trolling.  Get a life.  Don't drag this out for another hundred pages.

So you're telling me that every bad play, every mistake Trevor Lawrence made in one of the worst rookie seasons in recent memory, was soley the result of his coaching and WRs dropping passes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B0Dg8qKPLQ

Unfortunately I don't have the time to make a video for you of every bad play he made last year, so let's go over just the interceptions in this video.

1. Scrambles, throws a high pass over a wide open WR. 100% his fault. Unless you want to blame the WR/Coaches for the WR being so open that Trevor couldn't hit him? idk.
2. 2nd a 9, panics under pressure and throws into triple coverage, WR was not open and it was not 3rd down.. throw the ball away.. Now while you could argue the play went nowhere because of poor playcalling, you can't tell me the interception is not his fault. Bad choice to throw the ball. Not to mention they were backed inside their own endzone with 2 mins left in the half. Also the tight end was wide open at the first down marker. ? poor decision. 
3. Panics under pressure, again. This time throwing it directly into a defenders hands.. two defenders in the area, intended target was 5-10 yards further down the field. Poor decision and throw under pressure..
4. Steps up, throws it late on the out and gets picked. No anticipation, but this actually is something I tend to put in the "rookie mistake" category, early in the season and still adjusting to the speed of the game.. you get away with that in college just not in the NFL.
5. 50/50 ball, this is a case where the WR being trash comes into play, cannot fault him for this one unless you want to get nit picky and say he shoulda thrown it further to the sideline but that's asking a lot of anyone especially a rookie.
6. Ball bounced outta the TEs hands, 100% not Trevors fault in any way. 
7. Flea flicker, thrown late.. terrible play call but still can't imagine why he would attempt this pass.. there was no way it was going anywhere but into a defenders hands.
8. Throws to a completely locked up WR in the endzone, gets picked off by the underneath guy.. Now there was no time left in the half so you could argue it didn't matter.. but you have a big tight end one on one on the left side.. and you throw it into a crowd of defenders?.. bad decision regardless.
9. WR had a step, ball was severly underthrown.
10. Panics when the pressure comes in, yeets the ball into double coverage.. terrible
11. Shenault at fault
12. lol. one of the worst ints i've ever seen, something i'd expect from Blaine Gabbert.
13. Again just yeeting the ball into double coverage, to [BLEEP] jaydon mickens of all wrs.
14. Triple coverage, what the hell was he thinking? 
15. 50/50 on the back, and on Trevor. Yes the ball was technically catchable but you're a professional NFL QB, how are you over throwing a 6 yard pass to a RB under 0 pressure.. 
16. Bad decision
17. Read #12 for explanation on this one. 


Regardless of where you want to point blame, and there was plenty to go around last year. He made plenty of mistakes that were 100% his doing. You cannot sit and blame everyone but him when he had as much to do with the failures as anyone else.

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(07-15-2022, 12:59 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]That is the first mistake. This guy doesn't see anything, he just makes it up as he goes along....lol

No, I just don't go full blind homer when it comes to discussing our team here. Notice guy here will point out how horrible the playcalling was, but is still able to tell us how horrific our WRs are? Why is that. Why isn't the play calling an excuse for them? It's only an excuse for the guy we took #1 overall... right?

No. No one is saying that. But your take is legitimately 180 degrees opposite and you keep doubling down on it.

Moth ———> Flame

He just can’t stay away.

Best part is, he can’t be ‘wrong’.  If he does well this season, it’s all Pederson.

Humorously, football outsiders posted a story the other day about QBs, and noted in a chart of the worst rookie performances over the last fifteen years that Trevor was directly between Josh Allen and Andrew Luck in the way they measured performance for the article.

Zach Wilson, for what it's worth, was right next to Gabbert.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-a...er-murrays

(07-16-2022, 09:08 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Humorously, football outsiders posted a story the other day about QBs, and noted in a chart of the worst rookie performances over the last fifteen years that Trevor was directly between Josh Allen and Andrew Luck in the way they measured performance for the article.

Zach Wilson, for what it's worth, was right next to Gabbert.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-a...er-murrays

If Trevor had Wilson’s weapons, the Jags would win the AFC South.

(07-16-2022, 09:24 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-16-2022, 09:08 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Humorously, football outsiders posted a story the other day about QBs, and noted in a chart of the worst rookie performances over the last fifteen years that Trevor was directly between Josh Allen and Andrew Luck in the way they measured performance for the article.

Zach Wilson, for what it's worth, was right next to Gabbert.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-a...er-murrays

If Trevor had Wilson’s weapons, the Jags would win the AFC South.

Weapons are the main difference, so far, between Trevor's performance and Andrew Luck's performance. He was throwing to Reggie Wayne and T Y Hilton, not Tavon Austin and Shenault.

The colts were not a legit #1 overall pick team, they just decided to tank a year when the opportunity came up, then went back to being a decent team after that.

The Jaguars were a legit worst team in the league when they qualified for the #1 pick, then they got out a shovel and started digging a deeper hole when they hired Urban.

(07-16-2022, 09:24 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-16-2022, 09:08 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Humorously, football outsiders posted a story the other day about QBs, and noted in a chart of the worst rookie performances over the last fifteen years that Trevor was directly between Josh Allen and Andrew Luck in the way they measured performance for the article.

Zach Wilson, for what it's worth, was right next to Gabbert.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-a...er-murrays

If Trevor had Wilson’s weapons, the Jags would win the AFC South.

Our defense is much better, I'd take our TEs and RBs as well as much as I like Hall, I'd give a slight edge to Etienne not to mention JRob over Carter all day.  
WRs are very close imo.  Moore was one of my favorite WRs last year but he had a problem staying healthy.  Davis and Jones is probably a push.  How you think our weapons match up against the Jest?  Moore is the X fator for the Jets imo if he can stay healthy but he still has to prove ot on the field.  They did draft Wison but couriuos to see what kind of impact he makes

When I look at every position group on offense, Jets vs Jags I'd give s slight edge to Jets WR and that's it. I'd take our oline over theirs as well

(07-16-2022, 02:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]When I look at every position group on offense, Jets vs Jags I'd give s slight edge to Jets WR and that's it.  I'd take our oline over theirs as well

First. I do believe the Jags defense is better which is why I said offensive weapons and not switching entire rosters.

Second. A slight edge at WR is reaching hard in the Jags favor. Wilson will likely be the best WR either team has and then the 2nd best WR for either team will be Moore. I love Kirk but I would trade Kirk for Moore or Wilson in a second. Then Davis and MJJ are a wash to me. Shenault is meh and Zay Jones is a no body for me.

Conklin and Uzomah vs Engram and Arnold? Not sure how you can give either an edge considering both are rather mediocre. Engram has never been as good ashis rookie year and Arn has never really peaked. Conklin and Uzomah are both better blockers though.

For the running backs, if you told me ETN and JRob were 100%, I would certainly give them the edge. However, both are coming off major injuries for RBs. JRob likely starts the year on PUP and they’ll be lucky if he comes back 100% at any point in his career (I know you’ll likely used Akers as an example but that’s very rare). ETN coming off Lisfranc is just as bad but I actually have more hope with him than JRob. Carter and Hall could very easily be the next really good duo in the league.

As far as the OLine, Jawaan Taylor is absolute garbage. The worst player on either team. Scherff is fantastic when healthy but that’s rare. I would take Becton and Fant over Taylor and Robinson. AVT, McGovern and Tomlinson are a better trio than Scherff, Shatley and whoever starts at LG for the Jags.

So yea. I like the Jets offensive talent (except Their QB) more than the offensive talent for the Jags.

(07-16-2022, 02:43 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-16-2022, 02:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]When I look at every position group on offense, Jets vs Jags I'd give s slight edge to Jets WR and that's it.  I'd take our oline over theirs as well

First. I do believe the Jags defense is better which is why I said offensive weapons and not switching entire rosters.

Second. A slight edge at WR is reaching hard in the Jags favor. Wilson will likely be the best WR either team has and then the 2nd best WR for either team will be Moore. I love Kirk but I would trade Kirk for Moore or Wilson in a second. Then Davis and MJJ are a wash to me. Shenault is meh and Zay Jones is a no body for me.

Conklin and Uzomah vs Engram and Arnold? Not sure how you can give either an edge considering both are rather mediocre. Engram has never been as good ashis rookie year and Arn has never really peaked. Conklin and Uzomah are both better blockers though.

For the running backs, if you told me ETN and JRob were 100%, I would certainly give them the edge. However, both are coming off major injuries for RBs. JRob likely starts the year on PUP and they’ll be lucky if he comes back 100% at any point in his career (I know you’ll likely used Akers as an example but that’s very rare). ETN coming off Lisfranc is just as bad but I actually have more hope with him than JRob. Carter and Hall could very easily be the next really good duo in the league.

As far as the OLine, Jawaan Taylor is absolute garbage. The worst player on either team. Scherff is fantastic when healthy but that’s rare. I would take Becton and Fant over Taylor and Robinson. AVT, McGovern and Tomlinson are a better trio than Scherff, Shatley and whoever starts at LG for the Jags.

So yea. I like the Jets offensive talent (except Their QB) more than the offensive talent for the Jags.

It's funny how you only bring up Jags injuries, lmao.  Becton is their lineman and injuries is his biggest concern, Moore was injured most of last year, Davis was injured, Uzomah is coming off a serious injury!  Why didn't you bring up injuries if you want to through that into the equation? If I can take one if Wilson or Moore give me Moore, I think he will be their alpha WR if he can stay healthy.  Not to mention you say Engram only had a good rookie year, what QB has he had and what Jets TE has had a good year? ETN will be 100%, have you seen his workout videos? I'm not concerned about him and JRob is a different animal, he will be good as well.  One guy you forgot we had is Walker Little. He will be the tackle opposite Cam and our best tackle, keep bringing up Taylor lol. Why doesn't the Jets injuries come into play but the Jags do?