(01-05-2022, 03:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/MiaOBrienTV/status/1...80096?s=20
Yes. It's all really for HIS sake. They ran Brunell off too soon. They blundered Garrard. They got it wrong with Leftwich and Gabbert. They got it wrong with Bortles. They blundered Minshew.
Enough of the [BLEEP]. This franchise cannot be permantely marked for blundering this young man's talent.
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Almost all conses had Lawrence as the best prospect coming out in years. It's impossible to argue that the expectations have not been met. I guess it comes down to the most important question [b]WHY?[/b}
Saying Lawrence can be the franchise and saying he is the franchise are two totally different things. I have watched the game of football for 30+ years. I have seen many "can't miss" prospects fail in the NFL. I have heard experts screaming "X" player is the best propect ever only for the same player to bust out in the NFL in less than one season. College and the NFL are two totally different animals. Ask all the high profile college coaches entering the League as HC and see how they have done. This off-season is going to be a crossroads time for Lawrence. He is probably the worst starting QB in the NFL. Lawrence no doubt has a ton of talent and has the ability to turn things around. Will he is another question.
What I like about Lawrence:
- Very tall and can see over linemen. This is an advantage in the grand scheme of things.
-Strong and athletic. Can run and also strong enough to take a hit and get back up
-Strong Arm: He can fling it
What I do not like about Lawrence game right now:
-Inaccurate! Simply too many NFL QB throws off the mark.
-Decision Makeing: It's BS saying it's all receivers: Shadrick and Lagemen broke down one of the int's last Sunday vs pat. Lawrence had a receiver wide open for a big gain but he throws in right to a defender.
--No touch on the ball: He doesn't seem to know how to lob a pass, take some mustard off of it, or soft passes in general. Almost every pass is a 500mph bullet.
Lawrence gets his rookie year mulligan but it's concerning going into this off-season we have seen 0 growth. I would rather have the Week 1 Lawrence vs this week 17 Lawrence.
(01-05-2022, 08:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2022, 07:45 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Almost all conses had Lawrence as the best prospect coming out in years. It's impossible to argue that the expectations have not been met. I guess it comes down to the most important question [b]WHY?[/b}
Saying Lawrence can be the franchise and saying he is the franchise are two totally different things. I have watched the game of football for 30+ years. I have seen many "can't miss" prospects fail in the NFL. I have heard experts screaming "X" player is the best propect ever only for the same player to bust out in the NFL in less than one season. College and the NFL are two totally different animals. Ask all the high profile college coaches entering the League as HC and see how they have done. This off-season is going to be a crossroads time for Lawrence. He is probably the worst starting QB in the NFL. Lawrence no doubt has a ton of talent and has the ability to turn things around. Will he is another question.
What I like about Lawrence:
- Very tall and can see over linemen. This is an advantage in the grand scheme of things.
-Strong and athletic. Can run and also strong enough to take a hit and get back up
-Strong Arm: He can fling it
What I do not like about Lawrence game right now:
-Inaccurate! Simply too many NFL QB throws off the mark.
-Decision Makeing: It's BS saying it's all receivers: Shadrick and Lagemen broke down one of the int's last Sunday vs pat. Lawrence had a receiver wide open for a big gain but he throws in right to a defender.
--No touch on the ball: He doesn't seem to know how to lob a pass, take some mustard off of it, or soft passes in general. Almost every pass is a 500mph bullet.
Lawrence gets his rookie year mulligan but it's concerning going into this off-season we have seen 0 growth. I would rather have the Week 1 Lawrence vs this week 17 Lawrence.
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(01-05-2022, 08:17 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2022, 08:11 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The only one you can possibly argue might have been doable is Tavon, though the guy covering him never turned, and the dropping linebacker was heading in his direction. The TE crosser was running right into the dropping linebacker, Treadwell had a safety inside and a corner outside, the running back was in blocking, and Marvin Jones had no separation. Sure he could have tried to make the Jones throw work anyway. It probably wouldn't get picked because Jones is pretty good in jump ball situations, but I'm not angry that he threw it away rather than risk another int.
The only thing I might have liked to see that might have made a difference would be Trevor just trying to make something happen by exiting the pocket and placing some pressure on the defense to defend him running along with the routes.
There wasn't a place where only Jones could catch that pass, he was covered. Aaron Rodgers or Brady make that pass out of bounds no one says anything, but even when TLaw makes the right decision these clowns criticize the fact that he can't do the impossible.
Mac Jones dropped a dime in the corner of the endzone for a TD with just as tight of coverage.
The difference was his throw was perfectly timed and he didn't have to rifle the ball to get it there before the receiver ran out of real estate.
(01-05-2022, 10:44 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2022, 08:17 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]There wasn't a place where only Jones could catch that pass, he was covered. Aaron Rodgers or Brady make that pass out of bounds no one says anything, but even when TLaw makes the right decision these clowns criticize the fact that he can't do the impossible.
Mac Jones dropped a dime in the corner of the endzone for a TD with just as tight of coverage.
The difference was his throw was perfectly timed and he didn't have to rifle the ball to get it there before the receiver ran out of real estate.
So much of this comes down to play design as well, though, and as many have illustrated here our plays are not putting Lawrence in a position to succeed.
The Patriots offense has ALWAYS been about timing. Mac is doing some things right for sure, but his coaches are making it easy for him.
You definitely cannot say the same about ours. It's almost like they're making it more difficult on purpose.
(01-05-2022, 07:45 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Almost all conses had Lawrence as the best prospect coming out in years. It's impossible to argue that the expectations have not been met. I guess it comes down to the most important question [b]WHY?[/b}
Saying Lawrence can be the franchise and saying he is the franchise are two totally different things. I have watched the game of football for 30+ years. I have seen many "can't miss" prospects fail in the NFL. I have heard experts screaming "X" player is the best propect ever only for the same player to bust out in the NFL in less than one season. College and the NFL are two totally different animals. Ask all the high profile college coaches entering the League as HC and see how they have done. This off-season is going to be a crossroads time for Lawrence. He is probably the worst starting QB in the NFL. Lawrence no doubt has a ton of talent and has the ability to turn things around. Will he is another question.
What I like about Lawrence:
- Very tall and can see over linemen. This is an advantage in the grand scheme of things.
-Strong and athletic. Can run and also strong enough to take a hit and get back up
-Strong Arm: He can fling it
What I do not like about Lawrence game right now:
-Inaccurate! Simply too many NFL QB throws off the mark.
-Decision Makeing: It's BS saying it's all receivers: Shadrick and Lagemen broke down one of the int's last Sunday vs pat. Lawrence had a receiver wide open for a big gain but he throws in right to a defender.
--No touch on the ball: He doesn't seem to know how to lob a pass, take some mustard off of it, or soft passes in general. Almost every pass is a 500mph bullet.
Lawrence gets his rookie year mulligan but it's concerning going into this off-season we have seen 0 growth. I would rather have the Week 1 Lawrence vs this week 17 Lawrence.
as an aside, no idea what a conses are. Did you mean consensus? If so, by it's nature "almost all consensus" would be an oxymoron. Sorry, obsessive personality and all.
One thing I'll add is that above all, his leadership has shone through in this year. He took a lot of crap in stride, and never once threw others under the bus when questions arose. Others with a lot less character would have been butting heads, pouting, or airing laundry to the media if faced with the same circumstances he has.
I think a lot of the bad that you list are things that are relatively easy to fix. As opposed to something like a noodle arm, that's usually not just a matter of mechanics; I think that touch and accuracy tend to go hand in hand, too. Usually he's a little high or a little ahead or behind because the touch is just off. We've seen him put up plenty of throws that are perfect placements, though, so it may just be a matter of improving consistency and we won't be as worried about this critique.
I'd agree that I think we'd all rather be working with week 1 Lawrence and a clean slate with the coaching/training. He's probably starting to develop some bad coping habits due to the depleted receiver depth, bad routes/schemes, and overall lack of run support around him. Again, I think these ills are easier to cure than a lot of other criticisms of young QBs.
Yeah he is a bust good thing you are calling it.
Honestly what the heck do you expect? We added nothing, nada zip in the off season. They had the worse off season and season ever. That would normally be hyperbole but it isn't in this case. Why we took a flyer on Urbz is stupid. Who did he develop at QB? Did he really think Etienne was all he needed?
Things are fixable but you can't waste any more time
(01-06-2022, 09:34 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Albert Breer talking about Lawrence struggles. It's getting louder Lawrence nut huggers
https://youtu.be/ndtm5eRJf00
Oh so he’s literally saying exactly what a lot of us are saying….. weird right?
(01-06-2022, 10:32 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2022, 09:34 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Albert Breer talking about Lawrence struggles. It's getting louder Lawrence nut huggers
https://youtu.be/ndtm5eRJf00
Oh so he’s literally saying exactly what a lot of us are saying….. weird right?
Things SOME of you are saying NOW, but things those with foresight and actual insight into pro football skills were saying six weeks ago. To universal disparagement, I may add. "Bad take. Everything you say is wrong."
Well, now I say welcome to the party. Kind of. You're looking at the door but unwilling to walk in. You'll be here soon enough when it's obvious there's nowhere else to be.
(01-06-2022, 11:05 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2022, 10:32 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Oh so he’s literally saying exactly what a lot of us are saying….. weird right?
Things SOME of you are saying NOW, but things those with foresight and actual insight into pro football skills were saying six weeks ago. To universal disparagement, I may add. "Bad take. Everything you say is wrong."
Well, now I say welcome to the party. Kind of. You're looking at the door but unwilling to walk in. You'll be here soon enough when it's obvious there's nowhere else to be.
He starts by saying it is hard to give an accurate read on how destructive (my words) Urbz was in evaluating Lawrence's growth but... then goes on to collect people that game planned against him and were able to beat him without any talent at wide receiver, an injured TE and a hobbled running back. Oh and the "good" offensive line is inured as well. I mean there is the door why don't you walk through and realize there has been zero development of Lawrence due to the joke of an off season, fake QB competition and path of destruction Urban left in his wake.
Let's leave it like this.. Did you know Trevor Lawrence had a better first year than Aaron Rogers? Yeah I know he sat behind Brett Farve.
(01-06-2022, 09:34 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Albert Breer talking about Lawrence struggles. It's getting louder Lawrence nut huggers
https://youtu.be/ndtm5eRJf00
So you hear what you want to… shocker. Yeah, he’s not the second coming; no [BLEEP].
Stop acting like you don’t want him to fail. You’re pathetic. Go find a front runner to pull for. Loser.
(01-07-2022, 02:08 AM)ClemsonRob Wrote: [ -> ] (01-06-2022, 09:34 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Albert Breer talking about Lawrence struggles. It's getting louder Lawrence nut huggers
https://youtu.be/ndtm5eRJf00
So you hear what you want to… shocker. Yeah, he’s not the second coming; no [BLEEP].
Stop acting like you don’t want him to fail. You’re pathetic. Go find a front runner to pull for. Loser.
Going by your name you look like a complete Trevor Lawrence nut hugger fan club.
I would love for him to live up to the hype he hasn't and there are causes for concern. Don't hate me because I refuse to stick my head in the sand and ignore some warning signs like some of you. To be determined. Wow someone with 5 post who looks to only of joined with Lawrence telling me what to do. Amazing!