(01-10-2022, 12:27 AM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]False dawn. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Trevor "Timex" Lawrence, meet your apologists.
Thank you for this quality post featuring such thoughtful analysis and topics worth discussing.
(01-10-2022, 02:33 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2022, 01:52 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Fun fact: Lawrence threw for 15 yards the entire second half vs Colts
Fun fact: Lawrence only threw it 7 times in the entire second half vs Colts and 4 of those were drops
DUR HUR THAT'S ONLY 2 YPA MUCH HORRENDOUS MUST BE TRYING TO LIMIT HIS FAILINGS BLORP DORP DOOP
(01-10-2022, 03:01 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2022, 02:41 AM)leopold332002 Wrote: [ -> ]My good man, do not let the truth get in the way of bs because clearly this troll wants to remember the worst of Trevor Lawrence.
Don't even give him the satisfaction of calling him a troll because he isn't.
He's just lost/delusional and really trying to grasp at whatever meaningless straw he can. He's a laughing stock, but hes dug his heels in so deep on his hate for Lawrence that he certainly can't back down now.
It's like TMD reincarnated.
(01-09-2022, 10:27 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]NFL Research: Lawrence notched his first game with a passer rating of 100-plus, and his first game with two-plus TD passes without an interception.
Also the second time (first was in week 4) he went over 70% completion percentage.
Where has this version of Lawrence hid all year?
I see you are severely lacking understanding of whats happening on the football field. For context, to make it as easy as possible we can use the same opponent and first game stats vs this one. Also, look at the passing targets and completions. Then, go look at the game and nevermind the defensive play and the turnover difference. Also, dont even think about using extra brain power on comparing the oline play and pressures given up either. Just tell me if all you see is Trevor imploding with multiple bust-esque mistakes and let me, just me, know what prob happened between the two...Ill wait.
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Keep waiting. As Bill Parcells once said you are what your record says you are. 1 or 2 games does not define a season. The complete body of work was bad no matter how you measure it.
I'm taking the cautious angle on Lawrence for now. The last game of the season gave me some hope for optimism. If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend there is nothing to worry about that is your prerogative. I'm done trying to convince anyone. It's like trying to explain colors to a blind man.
(01-10-2022, 01:49 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Keep waiting. As Bill Parcells once said you are what your record says you are. 1 or 2 games does not define a season. The complete body of work was bad no matter how you measure it.
I'm taking the cautious angle on Lawrence for now. The last game of the season gave me some hope for optimism. If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend there is nothing to worry about that is your prerogative. I'm done trying to convince anyone. It's like trying to explain colors to a blind man.
You were hoping he finished bad so you can bang your narrative all off season. Sorry he spoiled it for you and showed you how good he can be with competent play calling, WRs playing like playmakers and good protection
(01-10-2022, 01:07 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-09-2022, 10:27 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]NFL Research: Lawrence notched his first game with a passer rating of 100-plus, and his first game with two-plus TD passes without an interception.
Also the second time (first was in week 4) he went over 70% completion percentage.
Where has this version of Lawrence hid all year?
I see you are severely lacking understanding of whats happening on the football field. For context, to make it as easy as possible we can use the same opponent and first game stats vs this one. Also, look at the passing targets and completions. Then, go look at the game and nevermind the defensive play and the turnover difference. Also, dont even think about using extra brain power on comparing the oline play and pressures given up either. Just tell me if all you see is Trevor imploding with multiple bust-esque mistakes and let me, just me, know what prob happened between the two...Ill wait.
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Oh, this is easy. Dan Arnold didn't play this game and we won, therefore he must be the albatross dragging our offense down.
(01-10-2022, 01:49 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Keep waiting. As Bill Parcells once said you are what your record says you are. 1 or 2 games does not define a season. The complete body of work was bad no matter how you measure it.
I'm taking the cautious angle on Lawrence for now. The last game of the season gave me some hope for optimism. If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend there is nothing to worry about that is your prerogative. I'm done trying to convince anyone. It's like trying to explain colors to a blind man.
This is all we want. Please be done.
(01-10-2022, 02:24 PM)Doc Holliday904 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2022, 01:49 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Keep waiting. As Bill Parcells once said you are what your record says you are. 1 or 2 games does not define a season. The complete body of work was bad no matter how you measure it.
I'm taking the cautious angle on Lawrence for now. The last game of the season gave me some hope for optimism. If you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend there is nothing to worry about that is your prerogative. I'm done trying to convince anyone. It's like trying to explain colors to a blind man.
You were hoping he finished bad so you can bang your narrative all off season. Sorry he spoiled it for you and showed you how good he can be with competent play calling, WRs playing like playmakers and good protection
I like how you can tell me what I want. You make up your scenario about me. I do not even know who the hell you are anyway.
I wanted Lawrence to live anywhere close to the hype. Most of this season he was the worst/one of the worst starting Qbs in the league.
I hear a ton of excuses why but it is what it is. Lawrence had by far his best game of the season yesterday. Let's hope we see more of that Lawrence like putting touch on the ball and being accurate vs the one we saw most of the year. Time will tell.
(01-10-2022, 02:47 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2022, 02:24 PM)Doc Holliday904 Wrote: [ -> ]You were hoping he finished bad so you can bang your narrative all off season. Sorry he spoiled it for you and showed you how good he can be with competent play calling, WRs playing like playmakers and good protection
I like how you can tell me what I want. You make up your scenario about me. I do not even know who the hell you are anyway.
I wanted Lawrence to live anywhere close to the hype. Most of this season he was the worst/one of the worst starting Qbs in the league.
I hear a ton of excuses why but it is what it is. Lawrence had by far his best game of the season yesterday. Let's hope we see more of that Lawrence like putting touch on the ball and being accurate vs the one we saw most of the year. Time will tell.
I’ve seen your post all season you were one of the few trolls on this board wanting to be the 1st to proclaim Lawrence a bust. I think you care more about being right than Lawrence being successful
(01-10-2022, 06:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/nate_tice/status/148...53281?s=21
We definitely should have drafted Mac over this guy.
I didn't watch the game but that's the kind of throw I expect to see from a "generational talent" but not just once a season.
He had another great throw yesterday but don't remember which one.
(01-10-2022, 06:30 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2022, 06:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/nate_tice/status/148...53281?s=21
We definitely should have drafted Mac over this guy.
I didn't watch the game but that's the kind of throw I expect to see from a "generational talent" but not just once a season.
He had another great throw yesterday but don't remember which one.
Lawrence made a great play by the goal line.
He got a botched snapped that went way too high, He pulled it down, ran to the right and threw it to Marvin Jones who made a great catch,.
(01-10-2022, 05:57 PM)Doc Holliday904 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2022, 02:47 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I like how you can tell me what I want. You make up your scenario about me. I do not even know who the hell you are anyway.
I wanted Lawrence to live anywhere close to the hype. Most of this season he was the worst/one of the worst starting Qbs in the league.
I hear a ton of excuses why but it is what it is. Lawrence had by far his best game of the season yesterday. Let's hope we see more of that Lawrence like putting touch on the ball and being accurate vs the one we saw most of the year. Time will tell.
I’ve seen your post all season you were one of the few trolls on this board wanting to be the 1st to proclaim Lawrence a bust. I think you care more about being right than Lawrence being successful
Again making things up. Lets say for sake of argument that were true, has it been proven false? Your lost little man fighting a losing argument. Ignore list for another mindless troll.
Luke Farrell threw a heck of a block on the left end on that long throw by Trevor.
(01-10-2022, 07:20 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2022, 02:47 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I like how you can tell me what I want. You make up your scenario about me. I do not even know who the hell you are anyway.
I wanted Lawrence to live anywhere close to the hype. Most of this season he was the worst/one of the worst starting Qbs in the league.
I hear a ton of excuses why but it is what it is. Lawrence had by far his best game of the season yesterday. Let's hope we see more of that Lawrence like putting touch on the ball and being accurate vs the one we saw most of the year. Time will tell.
(01-10-2022, 07:08 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Lawrence made a great play by the goal line.
He got a botched snapped that went way too high, He pulled it down, ran to the right and threw it to Marvin Jones who made a great catch,.
Again making things up. Lets say for sake of argument that were true, has it been proven false? Your lost little man fighting a losing argument. Ignore list for another mindless troll.
LOL. Girl.
Dude is so delusional lol. He's going to be talking to just himself before much longer because everybody is going to be on his ignore list.
(01-10-2022, 07:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-10-2022, 07:20 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]LOL. Girl.
Dude is so delusional lol. He's going to be talking to just himself before much longer because everybody is going to be on his ignore list.
Sheldon has a mortal enemies list. you can get off it however if you take his course.....
(01-11-2022, 12:30 AM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]I came across the following tweet.
https://twitter.com/PFF_Mike/status/1480...40769?s=20
To add a little more context to this, here's the total Attempts for each of these QBs..
Brady - 719 (league leading)
Herbert - 672 (2nd)
Big Ben - 605 (6th)
Lawrence - 602 (7th)
Stafford - 601 (8th)
Lawrence had far and away the worst supporting cast out of all of these QBs and the worst in the league.
The QBs that were between the above in Attempts were Mahomes (3rd with 658), Allen (4th with 646) and Carr (5th with 626).
(01-11-2022, 02:28 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2022, 12:30 AM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]I came across the following tweet.
https://twitter.com/PFF_Mike/status/1480...40769?s=20
To add a little more context to this, here's the total Attempts for each of these QBs..
Brady - 719 (league leading)
Herbert - 672 (2nd)
Big Ben - 605 (6th)
Lawrence - 602 (7th)
Stafford - 601 (8th)
Lawrence had far and away the worst supporting cast out of all of these QBs and the worst in the league.
The QBs that were between the above in Attempts were Mahomes (3rd with 658), Allen (4th with 646) and Carr (5th with 626).
Supporting cast is an enormous factor in the performance of QBs. Tom Brady comes to mind quickly. Two seasons ago, Brady's final season with New England, a large number of NFL observers were saying that age was finally catching up to Brady. The lack of playmaking WRs that would help open up the rest of the Offense, contributed greatly to the Patriots season ending vs. Tennessee during Wildcard Weekend.
Last season, while the Bucs were on their way to beating Super Bowl Champions, the consensus was that Brady was holding off father time. The major difference was he had many more weapons at the Offense skill positions.
Patrick Mahomes looked like a vast different QB in the Bucs one sided Super Bowl victory over the Chiefs, mostly because of the injury losses they were dealing with at the Offensive Tackle positions. A number of times that Mahomes somehow was able to make an accurate throw under heavy Bucs pressure, normally much more reliable skill players had drops that contributed to Mahomes being in an even more adverse position as the game went on.
(01-11-2022, 03:17 AM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2022, 02:28 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]To add a little more context to this, here's the total Attempts for each of these QBs..
Brady - 719 (league leading)
Herbert - 672 (2nd)
Big Ben - 605 (6th)
Lawrence - 602 (7th)
Stafford - 601 (8th)
Lawrence had far and away the worst supporting cast out of all of these QBs and the worst in the league.
The QBs that were between the above in Attempts were Mahomes (3rd with 658), Allen (4th with 646) and Carr (5th with 626).
Supporting cast is an enormous factor in the performance of QBs. Tom Brady comes to mind quickly. Two seasons ago, Brady's final season with New England, a large number of NFL observers were saying that age was finally catching up to Brady. The lack of playmaking WRs that would help open up the rest of the Offense, contributed greatly to the Patriots season ending vs. Tennessee during Wildcard Weekend.
Last season, while the Bucs were on their way to beating Super Bowl Champions, the consensus was that Brady was holding off father time. The major difference was he had many more weapons at the Offense skill positions.
Patrick Mahomes looked like a vast different QB in the Bucs one sided Super Bowl victory over the Chiefs, mostly because of the injury losses they were dealing with at the Offensive Tackle positions. A number of times that Mahomes somehow was able to make an accurate throw under heavy Bucs pressure, normally much more reliable skill players had drops that contributed to Mahomes being in an even more adverse position as the game went on.
While I don't think Lawrence is going to be a bust or be terrible my critiques of him have had nothing to do with the supporting cast which I think we can all agree is terrible. It dosen't matter how good a guy can catch if the QB throws the ball to him and it's not even catchable. I do think he can fix his accuracy issue with this past Sundays game as a nice example of what he can do once he simmers down and fixes his mistakes.
I do think some people are going a little over board on the "bust" talk but at least for me, the majority of my complaints have had nothing to do with the supporting cast. Just things I've seen transfer from clemson to jax. Hopefully we see a lot of this worked on and improved come september. Fingers crossed.