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Quote:defend meaningless wins at the end of dead seasons all you wish. Enjoy the perennial 5-11 type records it brings as well. 

 

No franchise QB, then no digging out of this consistent losing. 

 

But keep on fighting the good fight, sport. 

 

Hey tool, what would you have us do?

 

Why are you complaining to us about it?

 

If you don't think they should be winning write Kahn, Bradley, Caldwell, or every player on the roster a letter and complain to them about winning.  It is out of our control.  Hey they might send you a cool little action figure of some sort once they notice the letter was written in crayon. 

 

THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. 

 

TMD football acumen at its finest. 

May I remind the message board that many of its members were, 2 years ago, very upset at losing draft position.  Why?  Because we were all enamoured by the excellent prospect out of Oklahoma State, the best wide receiver since, probably, like ever.

 

We got our man regardless.  His behavior has helped us lose a few more games, which should please some of you, I guess.

 

Just win, baby.

Quote:Riiiight. Up there with Elway and Manning.


Still waiting on you to tell me how Teddy is a once in a decade prospect even though Luck, RG3, Newton, and Stafford were all drafted in the last five years, and were all better prospects out if college.


Lemme know when you get done spinnin' yourself an answer.

Nah man, Todd McShay or that dude with the goofy hair, they have Bridgewater rated super high man. That means that he has to be the best QB to have graced a football field in the past century.


There will be no other QB's in this draft that will even be backup material in the NFL, its obvious man. Jeez, and just when I thought you were actually somewhat intelligent.... How did you even become a mod?

Quote:Riiiight. Up there with Elway and Manning.


Still waiting on you to tell me how Teddy is a once in a decade prospect even though Luck, RG3, Newton, and Stafford were all drafted in the last five years, and were all better prospects out if college.


Lemme know when you get done spinnin' yourself an answer.

 

Stafford and RG3 weren't better QB prospects than Teddy. 

Quote:Nah man, Todd McShay or that dude with the goofy hair, they have Bridgewater rated super high man. That means that he has to be the best QB to have graced a football field in the past century.


There will be no other QB's in this draft that will even be backup material in the NFL, its obvious man. Jeez, and just when I thought you were actually somewhat intelligent.... How did you even become a mod?

 

Kiper doesn't even have him as his best prospect.  Pretty sure Luck was there. 

Quote:Teddy The Groundhog!

 

If we win, he comes out for the draft.

 

If we lose, he stays in school.

 



 

Nobody wants to go to a team that is moving to Great Britain. Even Johnny Football is laying down ugly tape lately.

 

Who is going to blame them for "draft dodging"? Thank our newbie NFL owner, Khan the Anglophile, for destroying our free agency market-ability and draft credibility.

That is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time. It was a wonderful distraction. +1 for that. :thumbsup:

 

:thanks:

Quote:I never said that though. Yes you may find your guy elsewhere in the draft, but you said yourself the odds are lower as you go down. And if you're banking on finding that guy in round 3 or beyond (as one of our more special posters is), the odds are atrocious.


Every time a player comes off the board, they are not an option for you. So it seems that we agree there is a tangible loss by picking up a win at this stage of a losing season. If we improve a division rivals draft position in the process, doubly so.


So what is the positive of winning 3 games vs 1? What do we tangibly gain? We can certainly feel good about it, but I just don't see any actual gain for the team while the loss in draft position is real.


Needless to say, that isn't the same argument if we're having a competitive season with any playoff hopes. But we aren't.

 

I'm not banking on finding a QB in the third. I know you didn't say that, but, I will put it out there just in case there's any confusion. Wilson was a remarkable pick, and certainly not one that I believe should be followed as some sort of trend. I just don't think that there's only one guy per draft who can be a player to build around. But, I'm certainly not advocating finding your team's cornerstones in the 3rd round. You want those impact players/cornerstones in the first. Anything after is a bonus.

 

As far as improving the division rival's draft position; are you advocating the team base its decisions on its opponents? Lets say the Jags have the #1 overall pick and the Texans have the #2 overall pick. The Jags take Teddy and the Texans decide they like what they have in Keenum (don't ask me why, its a hypothetical situation. Just go with it. <_<) and think Clowney is the miraculous talent of the draft. Both teams get what they want. You can flip the draft order, and in that situation, the Texans would still take Clowney and the Jags would still take Teddy. What's the tangible loss? You're hedging your bet here on the idea that the Jags want the same player as everyone else in the league. As we saw from Al Davis' drafting of the fastest guy in the draft every year and Gene Smith's who knows what he was thinking draft picks, you really have no idea who anyone's going to take. Remember Eugene Monroe? He was considered the most pro-ready and safest tackle in the draft. Two tackles went before him. The Jags didn't need to move to get the guy they wanted, and they got him at #9.

 

Arguing that losing gives the Jags a better spot than a rival just seems like a really poor strategy to build a team. Every team ranks players differently, you can't be afraid someone's going to take the guy you want. You're just setting yourself up for failure that way. The Jags may have the 5th draft pick, and have their top rated guy still be on the board for all we know. Trying to lose just so you don't have to worry about your guy possibly being drafted seems like a pretty risky slope to start traveling down. :confused:

Quote:May I remind the message board that many of its members were, 2 years ago, very upset at losing draft position.  Why?  Because we were all enamoured by the excellent prospect out of Oklahoma State, the best wide receiver since, probably, like ever.

 

We got our man regardless.  His behavior has helped us lose a few more games, which should please some of you, I guess.

 

Just win, baby.

 

Nobody was trying to tank that year for Blackmon plz stop making crap up, people were tanking for Luck and then RG3

A few things to consider, you all might want to tank.  But at the end of the day, no team in the NFL is tanking a season.  These guys, from the head coach down to the 2nd string players are playing for their jobs.  Effort is going to be put forth at all levels.  If we suck enough to get the first pick, so be it.  We probably will as our offense is still horrible. 

 

For all the Clowney lovers, he has 33 tackles and 2 sacks. Not exactly lighting it up. 

Quote:Stafford and RG3 weren't better QB prospects than Teddy.

Yes they were. You think Washington is is shipping all of those picks for Teddy?


You still haven't answered my question by the way.


Flail on brother. Flail on.

Quote:May I remind the message board that many of its members were, 2 years ago, very upset at losing draft position.  Why?  Because we were all enamoured by the excellent prospect out of Oklahoma State, the best wide receiver since, probably, like ever.

 

We got our man regardless.  His behavior has helped us lose a few more games, which should please some of you, I guess.

 

Just win, baby.

 

Um....we wanted Luck that year. No one wanted Blackmon over Luck. 

 

Granted, we were happy to get Blackmon as a consolation prize....but lets not act like Blackmon was the bullseye of that draft. 

Quote:I didn't call you personally an insult to simple logic. Let me type slower so that you can understand. Your position is an insult to simple logic, not necessarily you. I don't know you. I have never met you. I likely will never meet you. That said, I don't expect you to understand that confusing winning with losing may give off mixed signals. So, if that hurts your feelings, sorry, but when you play the "yes means no and no means yes game" with people, don't be surprised if you get the same confusion as you are getting from me. You can rationalize your thought process as much as you wish, but you have blurred the lines. That is indisputable.

 

Now, if you're not of the 1 or bust mindset, then what is the problem? Last I checked, Ricky Williams was had by the team that wanted him. If a team TRULY wants a player, they can get that player, so don't say that today crushed those hopes. How did that trade work out for New Orleans? Now ask yourself this: if New Orleans had the first overall pick, would they have taken Williams? Would it have changed what happened?

 

Again, you're putting your predisposed notion of what one player is, all things considered. You have said as much by saying we handed the Texans their QB of the next decade. You have taken the position that you already have this already worked out, and have identified it through your posts. This, months ahead of the draft.

 

Now, on to me. I said I was happy with 3-4 wins but would be happier with 19. That is a solid, unwavering position. I don't need to tell others that winning is losing, and losing is winning. I am happy with any win, and upset with any loss.

 

You and those like you who want to jockey for some perceived prize CAN NOT say that. You have relinquished your right to do so. It's really that simple. You cannot be trusted any longer with the meaning of winning and losing because you and those like you have destroyed the meaning to those who read your words.

 

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I bolded for emphasis. 

 

And no, if a team truly wants a player, they can't get them.  Team's aren't always willing to trade.  If the Texans get the #1 pick, I highly doubt we'd be able to trade up to get that pick.  In fact if they were to trade it away, they'd likely trade it to another team for less rather than trade it to us.  Unless they thought whoever we selected wouldn't be very good. (Which would be a warning sign)

 

Let me type s l o w e r  f o r  y o u  a s  w e l l.  I never said we've handed the Texans their franchise QB.  I said... and again I quote:

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Great win, but... let's just hope we didn't just give the Texans their QB of the future.

 

Again, I have put it in bold the important part here.

 

The 'perceived prize' isn't Bridgewater, or some player.  It's the 1st pick.  With which Caldwell can then do with what he wants.  The prize is opportunity.  Which this team needs.  It's something this team has lacked for a long time.  

People who want the Jaguars to be good, are upset. People who fell in love with some 2nd-3rd tier scrub QB, are excited. The woes of being a joke franchise.

Quote:Nobody was trying to tank that year for Blackmon plz stop making crap up, people were tanking for Luck and then RG3

You and I were both here.  At some point, it became clear that the Jags were not getting Luck or RG3, who were hyped about twice as much as everyone's darling out of Louisville.

 

The board reaaallly wanted Blackmon.  I'm not making anything up.

Wins are never meaningless.   Wins mean  something.  

 

Wins and losses are a measure of where you stand.   If you are 5-11, you are a better team than if you are 1-15.    So, better team, worse draft position or worse team, better draft position.   I will take the better team and worse draft position.    5-11 would mean we are closer to contention than if we are 1-15. 

 

So wins are not meaningless.   They do mean something.   They mean you are better than if you lost. 

Quote:People who want the Jaguars to be good, are upset. People who fell in love with some 2nd-3rd tier scrub QB, are excited. The woes of being a joke franchise.

 

Yep, pretty much this

Quote:Stafford and RG3 weren't better QB prospects than Teddy.

I know right, not like anyone traded 3 1st round picks for one of them.

Quote:Yep, pretty much this

 

Hahaha I have to laugh at this.  If you think for one second that you are a true fan, then you are dumber than I originally thought. 

Quote:People who want the Jaguars to be good, are upset. People who fell in love with some 2nd-3rd tier scrub QB, are excited. The woes of being a joke franchise.

Who here is excited? Seriously?

The teams never going to try and lose, it's fine if you want to hope for a loss but does anyone really believe these guys would lose on purpose?

 

I can't be upset about a win, but I'll still acknowledge the unfortunate situation it places us in.