Quote:I honestly think an argument could be made for either side.
I do think one thing for sure is no matter where you pick, if you are in the top 5-10 you can't miss on them. The Jaguars have picked in the top 10 every year since 2008 and have almost nothing to show for it.
Agreed completely, and that is the truly sad part. The opportunity was there in each case, and in each case, we botched it.
Quote:I'm sure Dave Caldwell will take your clearly well thought out opinion on Bridgewater in mind when we're drafting.
I think this is the second one of these types of posts I've seen you write in this thread. I'm sure you feel very proud of your holier then thou post. Congratulations for your post. You put your big boy pants on today
Quote:Agreed completely, and that is the truly sad part. The opportunity was there in each case, and in each case, we botched it.
Yes, and that stinks.
But if we assume our personnel guys are going to miss on their pick, they can do that from anywhere on the board and the outcome is the same. If you draft a bust at spot 1, or a bust at spot 32, you got a bust.
On the other hand, if you draft the best player available at spot 1, or the best player available at spot 32, the variance can be quite different. Is it guaranteed to be so? No. Player evaluation is not a science, so history shows that occasionally a Brady slips through. But the variance
can be quite high, even from spot 1 to 2 (Manning / Leaf comes to mind).
So yeah, I'll hope for them to hit the pick, and want the best pick for them to do so.
Quote:NBA GM's intentionally make trades and amnesty players for future assets and younger, less proven players with the intention of tanking. In addition, they will hold guys out for long periods of time with mysterious injuries, or even play guys out of position (Oladipo) all with the intent of helping their draft stock for the next season.
We're not talking about the NBA here. You get that, right?
Would winning the rest of our division games be meaningless? Would winning 5 out of 6 in our division with all the wins coming in the second half of the season really mean that our prospects have gotten worse?
That would have tremendous meaning knowing that this young team early in it's rebuild has already swept two teams and beaten everyone in the division.That would be a huge step in the right direction regardless of the options for QB. Much more significant for our future prospects than just a couple of draft positions.
Even if I thought the number one pick was of utmost importance, I would still try to win every game possible, and then worry about trading up.
Does everybody at least agree that if we do get the #2 pick, we have to take Clowney and get a QB later?
Quote:Would winning the rest of our division games be meaningless? Would winning 5 out of 6 in our division with all the wins coming in the second half of the season really mean that our prospects have gotten worse?
That would have tremendous meaning knowing that this young team early in it's rebuild has already swept two teams and beaten everyone in the division.That would be a huge step in the right direction regardless of the options for QB. Much more significant for our future prospects than just a couple of draft positions.
Even if I thought the number one pick was of utmost importance, I would still try to win every game possible, and then worry about trading up.
I don't get this.
Suppose we somehow do just this and get out of range for any viable QB.
Whatever benefit we get this year out of sweeping two division opponents would not outweigh the problems associated with lacking a franchise QB, nor would it outweigh the benefit to Houston if they got their franchise QB to add to their already talented roster.
I'm still waiting to hear of the benefit we derived from beating the Colts the last week of 2011.
I don't even remember much about the game, TBH. I doubt the Colts fans or players remember.
I know it didn't "teach us how to win." It didn't provide any momentum that carried over into 2012.
It certainly didn't put us into playoff contention.
What benefit did we get from it?
Quote:Does everybody at least agree that if we do get the #2 pick, we have to take Clowney and get a QB later?
I think it is definitely possible depending on how the other players get graded by Caldwell.
You know, for someone like the mad mutt to constantly whine about the degradation of society and the lack of honesty and integrity in today's youth and all that, the clown has posted close to 200 times in this thread advocating for a team and or gm or coach to cheat, manipulate, lie ,cast away their integrity and perform player maneuvers that fly in the face of all the attributes he claims to possess that society does not anymore. All for the unknown quantity that is a college QB. Absolutely freakin' pathetic. Those of you that agree with him are as well. You are all embarrassments to honest people everywhere. What kind of a loser accepts the trophy after they knowingly cheated and lied to attain it? I"ll tell you, the likes of tmd and any other fool that agrees with the cheater.
Quote:I think it is definitely possible depending on how the other players get graded by Caldwell.
If you don't take Clowney, you may as well trade down because someone will pay a kings ransom.
Quote:If you don't take Clowney, you may as well trade down because someone will pay a kings ransom.
I would take Clowney with the #1. Bridgewater's odds of being successful at the NFL level are much lower.
Quote:I don't get this.
Suppose we somehow do just this and get out of range for any viable QB.
Whatever benefit we get this year out of sweeping two division opponents would not outweigh the problems associated with lacking a franchise QB, nor would it outweigh the benefit to Houston if they got their franchise QB to add to their already talented roster.
I'm still waiting to hear of the benefit we derived from beating the Colts the last week of 2011.
I don't even remember much about the game, TBH. I doubt the Colts fans or players remember.
I know it didn't "teach us how to win." It didn't provide any momentum that carried over into 2012.
It certainly didn't put us into playoff contention.
What benefit did we get from it?
I'm just curious, and just asking a question because a respect your opinion.
Do you see Bridgewater as the only 'viable' franchise QB?
If not, who else would you consider?
What would you think about trading out of the top spot (assuming we get it) for more picks and also assuming we could stay in position for another franchise type QB?
I guess that's three questions.
My only problem with this whole 'tanking' thing is that it is all predicated on Bridgewater being heads above all other quarterbacks in this draft.
Quote:If you don't take Clowney, you may as well trade down because someone will pay a kings ransom.
Which is possible as well. I like Clowney alot and would gladly take him on this team. But if there is a QB there, it will be hard to pass it up.
Quote:You know, for someone like the mad mutt to constantly whine about the degradation of society and the lack of honesty and integrity in today's youth and all that, the clown has posted close to 200 times in this thread advocating for a team and or gm or coach to cheat, manipulate, lie ,cast away their integrity and perform player maneuvers that fly in the face of all the attributes he claims to possess that society does not anymore. All for the unknown quantity that is a college QB. Absolutely freakin' pathetic. Those of you that agree with him are as well. You are all embarrassments to honest people everywhere. What kind of a loser accepts the trophy after they knowingly cheated and lied to attain it? I"ll tell you, the likes of tmd and any other fool that agrees with the cheater.
+1000
It's only okay if the diva suggests it. Otherwise, the culture is in decay, and the end is near.
Quote:I don't get this.
Suppose we somehow do just this and get out of range for any viable QB.
Whatever benefit we get this year out of sweeping two division opponents would not outweigh the problems associated with lacking a franchise QB, nor would it outweigh the benefit to Houston if they got their franchise QB to add to their already talented roster.
I'm still waiting to hear of the benefit we derived from beating the Colts the last week of 2011.
I don't even remember much about the game, TBH. I doubt the Colts fans or players remember.
I know it didn't "teach us how to win." It didn't provide any momentum that carried over into 2012.
It certainly didn't put us into playoff contention.
What benefit did we get from it?
+10,000!
I'm still waiting to hear of the benefit we derived from beating the Colts on the last week of 2011 as well.
According to people like the Chiefjag and others, wasn't that supposed to help "teach them how to win", or help with attaining a winning culture??.....uh, yeah....they went 2-14 the next year.....while the team that TANKED wound up with the prize QB in Luck and quickly elevated to the playoffs in the first year....
But thats right, act like winning ugly games in meaningless late season games in already dead seasons is productive...
Quote:Does everybody at least agree that if we do get the #2 pick, we have to take Clowney and get a QB later?
I agree with that, but if they win another game or 2 (especially if one of them is vs the Texans next week), the chances of them getting either of the top 2 picks is remote.
Quote:+10,000!
I'm still waiting to hear of the benefit we derived from beating the Colts on the last week of 2011 as well.
According to people like the Chiefjag and others, wasn't that supposed to help "teach them how to win", or help with attaining a winning culture??.....uh, yeah....they went 2-14 the next year.....while the team that TANKED wound up with the prize QB in Luck and quickly elevated to the playoffs in the first year....
But thats right, act like winning ugly games in meaningless late season games in already dead seasons is productive...
I agree with that, but if they win another game or 2 (especially if one of them is vs the Texans next week), the chances of them getting either of the top 2 picks is remote.
So, to be clear, I am correct in the fact that you advocate cheating as means to an end? Pathetic.
Quote:I would take Clowney with the #1. Bridgewater's odds of being successful at the NFL level are much lower.
Yeah, the guy with the questionable work ethic that doesn't play as important a position as the other guy - who has high level skills, top notch football IQ, character & work ethic has much better odds of being successful in the NFL.... :wacko: :blink: