Quote:I want more mediocrity. I hope we win against the Texans again - and the Titans. Let's draft around 6-8 and miss out on the elite prospects. Whoo hooo, another decade of mediocrity!!
Brother? is that you? Get outta my head!
Quote:It is more beneficial for a team to be 5-11 than for a team to be 1-15, because if a team is 5-11 the record says they are better than a 1-15 team. 5-11 means we are closer to contention than a 1-15 team.
It means something about the players you have on your team. Apparently, you would prefer to have a 1-15 roster of players and the first pick in the draft, over a 5-11 roster of players and a later pick in the draft.
The record is a measure of what kind of team you have. That is why wins are not meaningless. They are a measure of where you stand at that time.
That's what you fail to see.
The Jaguars were 5-11 one year and then were 2-14 the next year. No, it doesn't mean what you think it means.
Quote:So you are saying that people who want the Jags to be good are upset that we aren't as bad as we thought.
The people who want them to be good wanted the Texans to win.
Not sure if you realize this, but we are still awful and have no QB. Winning that game does not change that.
Quote:The record is a measure of what kind of team you have. That is why wins are not meaningless. They are a measure of where you stand at that time.
That's not always true.
If the 5-11 team loses most of their games by 10 points or more, and then beats some bad teams.
And the 1-15 team plays a bunch of close games, has a tough schedule, and beats a good team. Alternately, the 1-15 team has significant injuries.
Quote:The teams never going to try and lose, it's fine if you want to hope for a loss but does anyone really believe these guys would lose on purpose?
I can't be upset about a win, but I'll still acknowledge the unfortunate situation it places us in.
I think that's about right.
No, I don't think we'll try to lose intentionally, even if I wish they would. But I do think it's possible to pull off, if they wanted. Not because players or coaches wouldn't keep trying to win. It wouldn't even need to involve more than the GM and HC, just giving the fans what they've been asking for. That could be starting Scott or Stanzi "just to see" what we've got in an already lost season. Heck, we could even give Tebow a shot, that should seal losses in every remaining game.
No, I'm not expecting that, but it would probably be better for us long term if they did.
Quote:lol at putting Teddy on the same level as the above. Try a Matt Ryan and Sam Bradford
You must be a guy that only evaluates QB by stats only.
Teddy has command of the QB position that is top notch and while he's not better than guys like Luck/ Aikman/ Manning, he's certainly good enough that he deserves to be mentioned in their class.
Teddy has arguably one negative - his smallish frame. Thats it.
Theres nothing else regarding the position that Teddy doesn't rate very high.
Quote:except they still are as bad as we thought. Not sure what they showed you in either of the 2 wins that give you the above idea. One team sucked less than the other in both Jags wins. It wasn't the case of a Jaguar domination or anything. If that was the case, then yes, you could say the above.
So wins and losses mean nothing to you in terms of what kind of roster of players you have. To you, wins and losses are a measure of nothing. Meaningless.
Three weeks ago, people were saying we were the worst team of all time. I am happy to find out that we are not the worst team of all time. Because the worst team of all time would be years away from the playoffs. Ahh, but they would have Teddy Bridgewater. So they would be the worst team of all time plus Teddy Bridgewater.
Quote:Great way to put it. I concur. If Bridgewater sucks for us, thats easier to take than having him blow up and be a stud on Houston just because we were dumb enough to win a few late season nothing games that didn't improve us any in the long run.
So if Houston drafts teddy will you leave here? Since makes no difference either way. Not like your ever going to go to Ever bank and watch a game anyway.
Quote:You must be a guy that only evaluates QB by stats only.
Teddy has command of the QB position that is top notch and while he's not better than guys like Luck/ Aikman/ Manning, he's certainly good enough that he deserves to be mentioned in their class.
Teddy has arguably one negative - his smallish frame. Thats it.
Theres nothing else regarding the position that Teddy doesn't rate very high.
Coming from the QB guru himself.
WHAT A JOKE.
Quote:That's not always true.
If the 5-11 team loses most of their games by 10 points or more, and then beats some bad teams.
And the 1-15 team plays a bunch of close games, has a tough schedule, and beats a good team. Alternately, the 1-15 team has significant injuries.
And Teddy Bridgewater may not be the best player in the draft. Or he might even be a bust.
You want a really really lousy team, just so you can get the first pick in the draft. I don't.
Funny...
The Jags are in a position where they can actually win out and make the playoffs, or lose out and get the #1 pick, and they're capable of beating each team on their schedule.
Truly, this is the rarest of times.
Pick your poison.
Quote:And Teddy Bridgewater may not be the best player in the draft. Or he might even be a bust.
You want a really really lousy team, just so you can get the first pick in the draft. I don't.
No, I don't
want a really lousy team. We already
have a really lousy team.
Quote:I've never said that everyone else is going to suck. I've said that the 1st pick gives this team more opportunity than the 3rd pick. Is this not true?
Take Gene Smith's tenure. Look at the QB's he had available to pick from. He made the wrong decision, but was he ever in position to take a good one? At least within reason? By that, I mean no hindsight. If other QB needy teams passed on them too, then I'd argue it qualifies as Hindsight.
I kind of expected that kind of answer. I'm done with this. Enjoy your "smartest kid in the room" stance on things.
The fact of the matter is that you are unwilling to take a stand on if winning is good or bad. You're nothing more than a MB politician. A snake oil salesman.
Enjoy your winning or losing. (I really have no clue which pleases you)
Good day.
I can't believe we're arguing about whether we should be happy about winning a game. Ridiculous.
Quote:The above is so simple minded though.
Because it fails to acknowledge that going 1-15 is more beneficial to a team than finishing say 5-11 in a year when a QB like Teddy Bridgewater is sitting at the top of the draft.
Its funny because the same people were pretty much using the same comebacks as the Jags won their way out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes heading down the stretch of the 2011 season.
I agree TMD...what did we really win by beating Indy that last game? I'd say in the end we lost. Take a look at our point differential this year...I did...Its -182. The next closest is the Jets at -101. Houston is -90. So we likely just handed Houston the #1 pick in the draft (look at their schedule, they have the upper hand) and they are back on their way to competing for the Division next season and we will all be back here 1 year from now looking up from the bottom of the league tables. It is a must that we lose to Houston in two weeks...a must.
Teams can get better without winning meaningless games.
Quote:Funny...
The Jags are in a position where they can actually win out and make the playoffs, or lose out and get the #1 pick, and they're capable of beating each team on their schedule.
Truly, this is the rarest of times.
Pick your poison.
LOL.
Not familiar with Chad Henne I take it.
Quote:You must be a guy that only evaluates QB by stats only.
Teddy has command of the QB position that is top notch and while he's not better than guys like Luck/ Aikman/ Manning, he's certainly good enough that he deserves to be mentioned in their class.
Teddy has arguably one negative - his smallish frame. Thats it.
Theres nothing else regarding the position that Teddy doesn't rate very high.
Alex smith has a similar scouting report like teddy
Quote:So wins and losses mean nothing to you in terms of what kind of roster of players you have. To you, wins and losses are a measure of nothing. Meaningless.
No, I didn't say that. I think how they win the games matters to the above. If you win impressively, then that takes on more credence than just sucking less than your opponent in a God awful 13-6 yawner.
Yes lets make the playoffs. We would then say we did better everyday.
Quote:And Teddy Bridgewater may not be the best player in the draft. Or he might even be a bust.
You want a really really lousy team, just so you can get the first pick in the draft. I don't.
I have news for you: We have a really, really lousy team.