Quote:Unlike pathetic fans(you), good GMs don't hitch their wagon to one horse.
For 99% of the draft, that would be correct.
However, When theres a differencemaker of the caliber of a Manning/ Luck/ Aikman/ Bridgewater at the top of the draft, they do. And you'd be deluding yourself to think otherwise.
Quote:Yeah, that's not really how that works. You need to look at the ratio of total QBs drafted to how many turn into that caliber of player. If you're specifically using those two guys to make a point about finding guys late in the draft (as I think you were), then you'd need to look at total QBs taken in rounds 3 or later compared to how many of those turn into that caliber of player.
Quote:Finding a Brady/Wilson is done via the draft. There has been way more than 32 qbs drafted since Brady.
Y'know guys, it was kind of a joke.
But on a more serious note, look around the league. Look at the best teams playing.
Seattle: Drafted their QB in the 3rd round. He's playing well
Denver: Signed their QB in free agency. He's playing very, very, well.
Kansas City: Signed their QB in free agency. He's a game manager, but a very smart one, playing OK.
New Orleans: Signed their QB in free agency. He's playing very well.
Carolina Panthers: Drafted their QB in the first round, as a first overall pick. He's playing well.
Indianapolis Colts: Ditto, except he's been a little off for the past couple games
Arizona Cardinals: Signed their QB in free agency. He's on so hot right now.
Cincinatti Bengals: Drafted their QB in the 2nd round.
Those are the teams avoiding the gridlock that begins at the 5-6 win threshold. Only 2 of them used a high draft pick on their QB. Granted, 3 of the free agents are 1st overall picks, but it does prove you don't need that pick to find a successful QB.
Let me ask you something dog. If Caldwell got the 1st overall pick and drafted someone other than Bridgewater, how would you feel about it?
If there was a guarantee going 1-15 would bring us a decade of success, then your position would be reasonable Dog.
However there is no guarantee at all.
Instead going 1-15 just might lead to consecutive 1 and 2 win seasons and total fan apathy, empty stadiums, and the team leaving the city.
NO THANKS. I am not betting all that on Teddy Bridgewater.
I will take the #3 pick, and the stadium 80% full.
That keeps the team here, increases Free agents wanting to come here, and has just as much chance of long term success as your
recipe of "lose them all for Teddy"
That is insanity.
Both for Jacksonville, and for the Jaguars.
Quote:If the Jags go 8-8 every year I find it hard to see how thats good for the city. Has the losing affected your judgement that much?? Short term, going 8-8 would seem good, but that would get old fast. 8-8 is not a "winner". The fans in Jax started to lose interest even by 2000 as ticket sales were declining and that was a mere 7-9 team.
Yes, 8-8 is competitive. In your world championship or nothing, but you don't buy tickets. You don't take your family to the games. You don't invest in the team. You don't spend Sunday loading the car with food and drink and 7 hours of tailgating and game. You don't spend 6 months of football season in this town.
Going 8-8 every season, if that's the only option (which it's not), never reaching the Super Bowl is better than going 2-14 every season for 20 years and reaching the Super Bowl once.
When I go to the games, while you sit on your mother's couch in her basement, I want to see the team win! It makes my day of live NFL football much more enjoyable than losing. Losing is for losers.
Regards...............the Chiefjag
Quote:Thanks *fist bump*. Those two were the only ones I could think of off the top of my vodka addled brain.
you can add Rodgers and Kap to the list off the top of my head
Quote:Unlike pathetic fans(you), good GMs don't hitch their wagon to one horse.
We have seen what happens when GM's do that, ala Gene Smith
21 pages? thats a lot of tankers sucking on it lol
Quote:Let me ask you something dog. If Caldwell got the 1st overall pick and drafted someone other than Bridgewater, how would you feel about it?
You didn't ask me, but I'd like to answer anyway.
You hope to get these types of opportunities infrequently, and you need to nail it. If he thinks Bridgewater isn't the guy, he needs to pick his favorite (or trade back, whatever). He just better be right about it. That's the GM job in a nutshell.
Quote:Let me ask you something dog. If Caldwell got the 1st overall pick and drafted someone other than Bridgewater, how would you feel about it?
i hope he finds a different team
Quote:For 99% of the draft, that would be correct.
However, When theres a differencemaker of the caliber of a Manning/ Luck/ Aikman/ Bridgewater at the top of the draft, they do. And you'd be deluding yourself to think otherwise.
LOL, just because you and vagrantwade put Teddy in that category I bet most of the real GM's don't if any at all.
Quote:Let me ask you something dog. If Caldwell got the 1st overall pick and drafted someone other than Bridgewater, how would you feel about it?
I don't think he would given his comments previously regarding franchise QB's. But for the sake of argument if he did, I think it would depend upon exactly what he wound up doing, i,e. trading down and getting a ton of value/ etc etc. If he just pulled a Gene Smith and took an Alualu at his pick, "just because" then I think I would be upset.
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Yes, 8-8 is competitive. In your world championship or nothing, but you don't buy tickets. You don't take your family to the games. You don't invest in the team. You don't spend Sunday loading the car with food and drink and 7 hours of tailgating and game. You don't spend 6 months of football season in this town.
Going 8-8 every season, if that's the only option (which it's not), never reaching the Super Bowl is better than going 2-14 every season for 20 years and reaching the Super Bowl once.
When I go to the games, while you sit on your mother's couch in her basement, I want to see the team win! It makes my day of live NFL football much more enjoyable than losing. Losing is for losers.
Regards...............the Chiefjag
I don't think 8-8 every season would be acceptable to the majority of fans down there or any NFL city. Maybe its acceptable to you, but I don't think you represent the majority. Or then again, we used to playfully say that this board accepts mediocrity.....so maybe your opinion is closer to reality.
Quote:And it's not 'my' guy. It's Caldwell's guy no matter where we draft. I have no misconception that I get input into who they'll pick. The higher we are, the more options and chances he gets his truly preferred guy, rather than picking among what isn't already gone.
Well said. A lot of people aren't sold on Bridgewater, which is fine. But ultimately Dave Caldwell's opinion counts for a lot more than anyone elses. If you don't like Bridgewater... Caldwell doesn't
have to take him if he doesn't either. But if he thinks he's the best QB in this draft and is worth taking, then I hope we have a shot at him.
People say "You can find a QB after the first pick." But by having the first pick, you have more options available to you.
I'd like to see this team have all options available to them. I don't want them to be bad. But I've seen how bad they can be, and when you're as bad as this team has been -- having more options will help you stop being that bad. <i>Maybe</i> we're closer than we were. It's hard to say -- the Texans and Titans haven't been that good. I think there were some good individual performances -- but I don't think that if we had lost, that it would have taken away from them.
Quote:However, When theres a differencemaker of the caliber of a Manning/ Luck/ Aikman/ Bridgewater at the top of the draft, they do.
You know, just because you keep repeating that comparison, doesn't make it true? Right? Do you get that or has the egomania set that far in?
Quote:We have seen what happens when GM's do that, ala Gene Smith
Its not the same thing when you are talking about a player like Bridgewater. Jeez Louise....
This isn't the same thing as falling in love with an Alualu and taking him at 10. This is one of the better QB prospects in years we are talking about.
Wow...
Quote:LOL, just because you and vagrantwade put Teddy in that category I bet most of the real GM's don't if any at all.
seriously i havent heard any scout even come close to mentioning that. he barely has any hype. if teddy puts his jockstrap on ebay i wonder would win on a bidding war, tmd or vagrant lol
Quote:LOL, just because you and vagrantwade put Teddy in that category I bet most of the real GM's don't if any at all.
You'd bet? Then you'd lose. Any at all?..... Really??? :blink:
Quote:You'd bet? Then you'd lose. Any at all?..... Really??? :blink:
Yes I doubt ANY GM in the league has Teddy on the same level as prospect as Manning, Luck or Aikman!! I would be very confident in that bet.
Quote:id take that bet as well
Count me in.
It's the biggest hyperbole ever ever ever.