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Quote:All this negativity over a win has changed me. It's made me more negative.

1. I hate Teddy Bridgewater now. I cringe at his name now. I hated typing his name.

2. I hate the word Tank.

3. I hate conspiracy theorists.


Thanks, Dogster, you ruined my win. Great job spreading the hate manure over the fans.in heaping loads.

Lol! I hate Teddy Bridgewater now too. I never go after posters, and I typically just read these forums and post simple/small posts, but TMD if you're trying to ”convince” people to see things your way its backfiring.


The fact that some of you are belittling a win by the team you supposedly love is sad. Even if we won 3-0 I'd say this win was glorious!

Quote:Actually it happens quite frequently in pro sports, mostly in the NBA, but more recently the NFL is beginning to follow suit.

Are these NBA teams inserting players to make sure they lose games? Or to commit fouls to keep their starters from fouling out? I can see doing this to get THAT kind of desired result. But doing this to lose I just cannot see.

Quote:Are these NBA teams inserting players to make sure they lose games? Or to commit fouls to keep their starters from fouling out? I can see doing this to get THAT kind of desired result. But doing this to lose I just cannot see.

 

NBA GM's intentionally make trades and amnesty players for future assets and younger, less proven players with the intention of tanking. In addition, they will hold guys out for long periods of time with mysterious injuries, or even play guys out of position (Oladipo) all with the intent of helping their draft stock for the next season.

Quote:Lol! I hate Teddy Bridgewater now too. I never go after posters, and I typically just read these forums and post simple/small posts, but TMD if you're trying to ”convince” people to see things your way its backfiring.


The fact that some of you are belittling a win by the team you supposedly love is sad. Even if we won 3-0 I'd say this win was glorious!

I'm sure Dave Caldwell will take your clearly well thought out opinion on Bridgewater in mind when we're drafting.  

47 Super Bowls

 

1st overall picks- 16 Super Bowl Rings

 

Players selected throughout the rest of the first round- 11 Super Bowl Rings

 

Rounds 2-Undrafted- 20 Super Bowl Rings

 

So 31 of the 47 Super Bowls were won by QB's not selected first overall. 

 

I think I'll enjoy each win as a real fan should and hope that Caldwell can find us a QB. If its Teddy, great!! If not, thats fine too I'll trust Caldwell until he breaks my heart. Please don't do it Caldwell I've been hurt before......

Quote:Actually it happens quite frequently in pro sports, mostly in the NBA, but more recently the NFL is beginning to follow suit.

 

It doesn't happen "quite frequently in pro sports". The Chiefs were a team last year with a lot of talent and postseason aspirations that fell flat on their face. They ended up 2-14 and picking first. But that wasn't tanking because there was no QB at the top. But now the Texans are tanking because there is a QB at the top? Nah.

Quote:It doesn't happen "quite frequently in pro sports". The Chiefs were a team last year with a lot of talent and postseason aspirations that fell flat on their face. They ended up 2-14 and picking first. But that wasn't tanking because there was no QB at the top. But now the Texans are tanking because there is a QB at the top? Nah.

Not to mention, there is no QB at the top of this draft.

 

There is a QB at the top of OUR draft, apparently...

Quote:Of course the Colts tanked to get Luck. Why is there 45 pages of argument about it? Next you'll tell me Oswald shot Kennedy and Neil Armstrong landed on the moon.

Kennedy was killed by the mafia and used Oswald as a patsy and the moon landing was made in a studio. :yes:

Quote:Late season wins like this when the team is already in the midst of a terrible season, accomplish little other than helping ensure that we'll be in this similar situation again next season. 

 

The only way to get out of this is by getting the stud QB. 

 

The Colts bottomed out and got Luck. 

 

The Texans appear smart enough to just bottom out this season and get Bridgewater. 

 

Yet, you people sit here and champion an unimpressive 13-6 win against a 2-8 team and act like its the best thing since slice bread. 

 

You are some of the most short sighted fans I have ever seen, not understanding the fallout of winning these late season nothing games as it pertains to the future. These wins aren't benefiting this team any. But you can't see that.

Don't let him get to your head. Homebiscuit is as [BLEEP] as his avatar. He can call everyone a tanker all he likes, but if we miss out on the top QB prospects again, we will all be suffering again with another 2-14-5-11 season. I for one am not thrilled with the meaning less win. We are 2-9. I want to be in contention every year. It's nice we got the win, but this season is all ready over.


Tired of losing, want to win. Therefor losing out would be in our best interest. So we get the best prospect. What I'm most glad about is we still retained the 1st pick. I'm a fan win or lose, but I actually want the team to succeed. Need the QB.

Now let me get this straight.

 

First the Browns were obviously tanking...then they won a few games.  Uh-oh.

 

Then the Bucs were obviously tanking.  Schiano was getting money under the table.  Then they won a few games.  Uh-oh.

 

Now the Texans are obviously tanking.  Kubiak is getting money under the table.

 

Anyone else notice a pattern?

Quote:47 Super Bowls

 

1st overall picks- 16 Super Bowl Rings

 

Players selected throughout the rest of the first round- 11 Super Bowl Rings

 

Rounds 2-Undrafted- 20 Super Bowl Rings

 

So 31 of the 47 Super Bowls were won by QB's not selected first overall. 

 

I think I'll enjoy each win as a real fan should and hope that Caldwell can find us a QB. If its Teddy, great!! If not, thats fine too I'll trust Caldwell until he breaks my heart. Please don't do it Caldwell I've been hurt before......

 

Don't bring these facts to the table.  It will make things to difficult for some

Quote:Now let me get this straight.

 

First the Browns were obviously tanking...then they won a few games.  Uh-oh.

 

Then the Bucs were obviously tanking.  Schiano was getting money under the table.  Then they won a few games.  Uh-oh.

 

Now the Texans are obviously tanking.  Kubiak is getting money under the table.

 

Anyone else notice a pattern?

 

There is a distinct pattern of paranoia

Quote:lol, I should just start refering to you as "paint chips".

 

wow, just pathetic

Quote:47 Super Bowls

 

1st overall picks- 16 Super Bowl Rings

 

Players selected throughout the rest of the first round- 11 Super Bowl Rings

 

Rounds 2-Undrafted- 20 Super Bowl Rings

 

So 31 of the 47 Super Bowls were won by QB's not selected first overall. 

 

I think I'll enjoy each win as a real fan should and hope that Caldwell can find us a QB. If its Teddy, great!! If not, thats fine too I'll trust Caldwell until he breaks my heart. Please don't do it Caldwell I've been hurt before......

 

First off, your count is wrong.

 

The first Super Bowl was for the 1966 season.

 

There was a number one overall pick that played in that Super Bowl-Paul Hornung of the Green bay Packers, who wound up with two Super Bowl rings, and he was drafted first in 1957.

 

Since then...

 

DT Buck Buchanan-1 ring, SB IV, first overall pick in 1963

DE Bubba Smith-1 ring, SB V, First overall pick in 1967.

QB Terry Bradshaw-4 rings, SBs IX, X, XIII, XIV, first overall pick in 1970

QB Jim Plunkett- 2 rings, SB XV and XVIII, first overall pick in 1971

DL John Matuszak-2 Rings, SB XI and XV, first overall pick in 1973

DE Ed "Too Tall" Jones-1 ring, SB XII, first overall pick in 1974

QB John Elway, 2 Rings, SB XXXII and XXXIII, first overall pick in 1983

QB Troy Aikman, 3 rings, SB XXVII, XXVIII, XXX, first overall pick in 1989

DT Russell Maryland, 3 rings-SB XXVII, XXVIII, and XXX-First overall pick in 1991

QB Drew Bledsoe, 1 ring-SB XXXVI, first overall pick in 1993

WR Keyshawn Johnson, 1 ring-SB XXXVII, first overall pick in 1996

LT Orlando Pace, 1 ring-SB XXIV, first overall pick in 1997

QB Peyton Manning, 1 ring-first overall pick in 1998

QB Eli Manning, 2 rings, first overall pick in 2004

 

By my count, that's twenty seven (27) rings by first overall draft picks, not the 16 you assert.

 

If you are referring simply to QBs, your count is still wrong.

 

Secondly, your argument operates under the tacit premise that because a number one overall pick does not end up winning a Super Bowl ring, he wasn't worth that selection.

 

I tell you, even though they wound up without Super Bowl rings, I would GLADLY take guys like Bruce Smith, LeeRoy Selmon, Earl Campbell, Bo Jackson, Steve Emtman, Ron Yary and O.J. Simpson (from a purely football perspective) any day of the week.

 

Finally, even if we accept your number of first overall picks and Super Bowl rings at face value, that would mean a full 1/3 of all Super Bowl trophies were won by guys drafted in one position.  That's still a vastly impressive number.

 

Sources:  

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/alltimeno1

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/

 

 

 

 

I think he is talking QBs

Quote:First off, your count is wrong.

 

The first Super Bowl was for the 1966 season.

 

There was a number one overall pick that played in that Super Bowl-Paul Hornung of the Green bay Packers, who wound up with two Super Bowl rings, and he was drafted first in 1957.

 

Since then...

 

DT Buck Buchanan-1 ring, SB IV, first overall pick in 1963

DE Bubba Smith-1 ring, SB V, First overall pick in 1967.

QB Terry Bradshaw-4 rings, SBs IX, X, XIII, XIV, first overall pick in 1970

QB Jim Plunkett- 2 rings, SB XV and XVIII, first overall pick in 1971

DL John Matuszak-2 Rings, SB XI and XV, first overall pick in 1973

DE Ed "Too Tall" Jones-1 ring, SB XII, first overall pick in 1974

QB John Elway, 2 Rings, SB XXXII and XXXIII, first overall pick in 1983

QB Troy Aikman, 3 rings, SB XXVII, XXVIII, XXX, first overall pick in 1989

DT Russell Maryland, 3 rings-SB XXVII, XXVIII, and XXX-First overall pick in 1991

QB Drew Bledsoe, 1 ring-SB XXXVI, first overall pick in 1993

WR Keyshawn Johnson, 1 ring-SB XXXVII, first overall pick in 1996

LT Orlando Pace, 1 ring-SB XXIV, first overall pick in 1997

QB Peyton Manning, 1 ring-first overall pick in 1998

QB Eli Manning, 2 rings, first overall pick in 2004

 

By my count, that's twenty seven (27) rings by first overall draft picks, not the 16 you assert.

 

Secondly, your argument operates under the tacit premise that because a number one overall pick does not end up winning a Super Bowl ring, he wasn't worth that selection.

 

I tell you, even though they wound up without Super Bowl rings, I would GLADLY take guys like Bruce Smith, LeeRoy Selmon, Earl Campbell, Bo Jackson, Steve Emtman, Ron Yary and O.J. Simpson (from a purely football perspective) any day of the week.

 

Finally, even if we accept your number of first overall picks and Super Bowl rings at face value, that would mean a full 1/3 of all Super Bowl trophies were won by guys drafted in one position.  That's still a vastly impressive number.

Love the Super Bowl argument that gets thrown out there. People are scared of QB

Quote:I think he is talking QBs

 

But even assuming he is, isn't it disingenuous to assert that a #1 overall pick that isn't a QB still couldn't help this team?

 

Yes, QB is the biggest need this team has.  I'm not disputing this.

 

But a lot of teams have been helped utilizing the number one overall pick correctly.

Quote:But even assuming he is, isn't it disingenuous to assert that a #1 overall pick that isn't a QB still couldn't help this team?

 

Yes, QB is the biggest need this team has.  I'm not disputing this.

 

But a lot of teams have been helped utilizing the number one overall pick correctly.

 

I honestly think an argument could be made for either side.

 

I do think one thing for sure is no matter where you pick, if you are in the top 5-10 you can't miss on them. The Jaguars have picked in the top 10 every year since 2008 and have almost nothing to show for it.

Quote:Love the Super Bowl argument that gets thrown out there. People are scared of QB

I, for one, am not 'scared' of QB and I don't think that's what the vast majority are saying. I don't see Bridgewater as the end-all, sure fire superstar, at QB. I'd be quite happy with a few of the others.


Would I be OK with Bridgewater? Sure. Will I blow a gasket if we don't get him? Absolutely not.


Here's another shocker. EVEN IF we get the first pick there's no guarantee we take him. The guys that are, you know, paid to do evaluations might not see him as the OBVIOUS first pick that some here do.


All you have to do is go back to last year's draft.

Quote:I, for one, am not 'scared' of QB and I don't think that's what the vast majority are saying. I don't see Bridgewater as the end-all, sure fire superstar, at QB. I'd be quite happy with a few of the others.


Would I be OK with Bridgewater? Sure. Will I blow a gasket if we don't get him? Absolutely not.


Here's another shocker. EVEN IF we get the first pick there's no guarantee we take him. The guys that are, you know, paid to do evaluations might not see him as the OBVIOUS first pick that some here do.


All you have to do is go back to last year's draft.

 

100% agree.

 

I almost wonder how Bridgewater got put on this pedestal as like some end-all be-all quarterback. That without him, the team can't become a winner. He was the top dog, crowned by the media, going into the year. I have watched all his games and I see a nice player. Would I be surprised if he ends up being a top 10 QB like a Matt Ryan? No. Would I be surprised if he ends up being a Sam Bradford, as average as the day is long? No. I certainly don't see a guy that would give me a stroke if we don't take him.

 

I wonder if "The Mad Dog" would even know who Bridgewater is without the preseason hype of Bridgewater.