Quote:I love how people quote Herm Edwards "they play to win the game".
He was one of the worst coaches ever and was fired after a few years when his philosophy and message was not getting through to his players.
... that said, i must admit not being the laughingstock of the NFL kind of feels good.
Um, our point differential still is league worst. By far. 2 unimpressive late season wins vs other bad teams isn't changing any perceptions, nor should it.
Quote:No, this has been discussed already. A strategic player or 2 inserted into the starting lineup (Gabbert) can get the desired outcome. The players won't purposely lie down.
So you don't want the player's to quit. Just the coach who is paid to be a professional coach and win games.
Quote:No, this has been discussed already. A strategic player or 2 inserted into the starting lineup (Gabbert) can get the desired outcome. The players won't purposely lie down.
You've never coached at any level I presume. No coach is going to do what you are suggesting.
Quote:That whole team has struggled since the loss of Wayne. They have no running game, and now have no bona-fide legit WR1. TY Hilton isn't that. Hilton is more of an Alvin Harper to Michael Irvin rather than being someone who can thrive on his own.
But...but...but, a great QB makes his players better.
Quote:I don't think Bridgewater is the sure thing you are making him out to be. I was in that camp at one point. But after watching every game this year, I just don't see it. I fully was hoping to watch him play and come away being excited that he was going to be our pick. And honestly, I haven't. What is it about Bridgewater that has you so excited? And so sure it's sure doom if we don't get him?
I'm not sure what you are NOT seeing from Bridgewater. He's got NOTHING at Louisville other than DeVante Parker. He's got a coach that is too over-committed to the run. Yet he still exhibits fine command of the position. He gets the absolute most out of the receiving weapons that he does have - often hitting his later reads and totaling more than 6 different receivers with at least a catch per game. No, he's not going to put up video game numbers, but when it comes to doing the things a pro QB should be exhibiting, Bridgewater has it all. He looks off WR's, makes correct pre-snap reads, is great on 3rd down, has great accuracy, consistently puts the ball where his WR has a chance to make a play, calm & cool in the pocket with pocket mobility and eyes downfield the entire time....You put this QB on a team that has weapons to throw to and you are going to have a stud QB in the pros. He's not going to have to be "worked on" like a Mariota or other QB that is coming from a gimmicky college offense. Bridgewater will be able to step in and have a much shorter learning curve.
Theres only one negative for Bridgewater and thats his slight frame. If Bridgewater had Luck/ Manning's frame, he'd be universally looked at as right on par with those guys - because he's pretty much got everything else they do when it comes to doing the right things at the position.
Quote:So you don't want the player's to quit. Just the coach who is paid to be a professional coach and win games.
Actually it would be more of an upper management decision. A smart one, too.
Quote:But...but...but, a great QB makes his players better.
Oh, I think a great QB does. That team would be even worse right now without Luck. They at least won a few weeks back which wouldn't have happened without him.
Quote:What young players are showing you all that much that you are so impressed?
This team looks just as bad to me as as it was 3 weeks ago....they just ran into an easier schedule. It was never "the worst team of all time". Its probably still the worst team in the NFL, though,....just won't be rewarded for it
I don't think I'd say
so impressed, but some younger guys are showing up at times. Branch suddenly looks semi-average, which is improvement for him. Ace has shown some things. Cyprien flashes at times, etc.
But to your second point, I actually agree. I don't think the overall team is playing any better than they were 3 weeks ago. Our wins have come against teams imploding in on themselves. I mean we hung on to a win over the Texans with 13 points. Who thinks that's because we're showing so much improvement? The
only team on our schedule this year that we kept below 24 points were the Raiders (at 19), and suddenly we hold the Texans to
6 while they're playing their recently promoted undrafted 3rd string QB. And we want to pretend that's because we've shown that much growth?
Quote:The thing is, just because we appear to be making "forward progress", doesn't account for the fact that the two teams we played in our wins completely imploded more to their own doing and backup QB's than us actually being dominant.
Getting better is just a mirage at this point. In the scheme of the NFL talent pool, we are still bottom feeders no matter how hard these guys play for Gus.
I wish our scheduled wasn't so lopsided, because the 2nd half of this season is giving people false hope about this team. We are still VERY far away.
Yeah, pretty much. I mean I think some individuals are probably showing some improvement due to the playing time, but the team is about the same and hitting an easier stretch of schedule.
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41-11
I didn't know Luck plays defense too.
Isn't Pagano supposed to be a defensive minded coach? Seems to me, thats where a lot of Indy's issues are right now.
Anyone that realistically thinks a NFL GM, player or coach or owner would mandate or in some way try to manipulate failure (and that is what intentional tanking is) is beyond ignorant in all aspects of competitive sports, manhood, and teamwork. Those persons viewpoint pertaining to anything football or sports related should be held as laughable.
Quote:The "decent progress" you cite is reflected in the results of the last 3 weeks.
Not really. The decent progress is displayed by the individuals and would have been completely evident on film regardless of the outcome of the game. If the Texans score on that last drive, do none of the plays these individuals made prior to that count anymore or something?
Quote:I didn't know Luck plays defense too.
Isn't Pagano supposed to be a defensive minded coach? Seems to me, thats where a lot of Indy's issues are right now.
So apparently you only saw the left hand side of those scores. Of course you did.
Quote:Anyone that realistically thinks a NFL GM, player or coach or owner would mandate or in some way try to manipulate failure (and that is what intentional tanking is) is beyond ignorant in all aspects of competitive sports, manhood, and teamwork. Those persons viewpoint pertaining to anything football or sports related should be held as laughable.
There was a recent article somewhere (too lazy to find it) about tanking in the NBA, and that it is a real thing.
Sure, you can't tell people to tank, but you can put your team in the best position to lose, i.e, Houston starting Keenum over Schaub.
Quote:So apparently you only saw the left hand side of those scores. Of course you did.
No, I saw the right hand side of those scores too. Except the left hand side wasn't missing any of its star players. The right side is.
Quote:There was a recent article somewhere (too lazy to find it) about tanking in the NBA, and that it is a real thing.
Sure, you can't tell people to tank, but you can put your team in the best position to lose, i.e, Houston starting Keenum over Schaub.
Kubiak is in line to be fired. What good would "tanking" do for him?
Quote:Anyone that realistically thinks a NFL GM, player or coach or owner would mandate or in some way try to manipulate failure (and that is what intentional tanking is) is beyond ignorant in all aspects of competitive sports, manhood, and teamwork. Those persons viewpoint pertaining to anything football or sports related should be held as laughable.
Quote:There was a recent article somewhere (too lazy to find it) about tanking in the NBA, and that it is a real thing.
Sure, you can't tell people to tank, but you can put your team in the best position to lose, i.e, Houston starting Keenum over Schaub.
ding ding ding ding!!
winner winner chicken dinner.
Starting Gabbert all year likely would have worked.
Quote:Kubiak is in line to be fired. What good would "tanking" do for him?
LOL....this is like deja vu, same lame excuse was made in Indy with Caldwell a few years back....
Its called $$$ "kickbacks". He's out the door anyway. Getting another asthetic win or 2 at this point that does nothing to help Kubiak, but hurts the Texans chances for the top pick does no one any good for the organization.
Quote:LOL....this is like deja vu, same lame excuse was made in Indy with Caldwell a few years back....
Its called $$$ "kickbacks". He's out the door anyway. Getting another asthetic win or 2 at this point that does nothing to help Kubiak, but hurts the Texans chances for the top pick does no one any good for the organization.
Right. I am sure McNair is giving Kubiak money to lose.