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Quote:Its been discussed already. (cliff notes version)-The call came from Irsay. The players that were in there aren't going to lose on purpose, but you can get around that by strategic inclusion of a player or few into the starting lineup that isn't good that can bring the rest down. Think Gabbert starting for us and what that would accomplish at this point all season....we'd still be winless. Their coaches knew they were out the door by midseason of that year anyway. So winning meaningless games wasn't going to save them. They got a little severance as they went out the door for making the personnel decisions that generated the desired results (losses that ensured the top pick). 

That must have been some severance check!! You seem to love conspiracy theories - I can't wait to hear your take on 911 and the moon landing.

Quote:That must have been some severance check!! You seem to love conspiracy theories - I can't wait to hear your take on 911 and the moon landing.

 

actually, I have no conspiracy theories on either of those. 

 

....but the Colts did tank for Luck in 2011 and the Texans are tanking now for Teddy. 

It could be also said that we have been tanking all year by not signing a QB or drafting a QB last year when the position could have clearly been upgraded.

Not re-signing Potroast and D. Smith?  Tanking.

Quote: the Texans are tanking now for Teddy. 

Is it Schaub or keenum that's throwing games to ensure the team fires him?  Or is it both?   They are both committing career  suicide, right? Is Foster faking injury?  How bout Cushing? Is he a faker too?  

 

They aren't tanking.  They stink.  They imploded. 

Quote:It could be also said that we have been tanking all year by not signing a QB or drafting a QB last year when the position could have clearly been upgraded.

Not re-signing Potroast and D. Smith?  Tanking.

Makes just as much sense.  Don't forget starting 3 rookies in the secondary. 

Quote:It could be also said that we have been tanking all year by not signing a QB or drafting a QB last year when the position could have clearly been upgraded.

Not re-signing Potroast and D. Smith?  Tanking.

 

Any accusations of the Jags tanking became unfounded after the win over the Texans, given how tight the race is for the #1 pick is, and that the Texans now have the same record as the Jags due to that Jags win...

 

If the Jags were tanking they make sure they don't win that game vs the Texans. Period. 

Quote:Any accusations of the Jags tanking became unfounded after the win over the Texans, given how tight the race is for the #1 pick is, and that the Texans now have the same record as the Jags due to that Jags win...

 

If the Jags were tanking they make sure they don't win that game vs the Texans. Period. 

That doesn't fit your theory of how the colts did it at all.    Period. 

Quote:actually, I have no conspiracy theories on either of those. 

 

....but the Colts did tank for Luck in 2011 and the Texans are tanking now for Teddy. 

You truly believe that professional athletes lost on purpose?!  Sorry I just can't believe that - even if some higher up thought that might be a good idea.. how would they persuade an entire team and coaching staff to play along and yet not one person ever came out and said that is what happened? Their players are not guaranteed to be on the team once the "savior" comes - so why would they jeopardize their own careers?  I know you are going to say the staff and higher ups manipulated the personnel so they were unaware - but that just seems so illogical to me.. crazy, complicated plans like that just are not going to work.... Colts got Lucky (no pun intended - or maybe it was)  Who knows what happens with the Texans or us... 5 more games and then we know  - I prefer that coach build a winning culture.. everything else will take care of itself.

Quote:You truly believe that professional athletes lost on purpose?! 

No. and the above point has already been discussed/ explained. Players won't lie down on purpose. But a strategic personnel inclusion (i,e, bad player/ raw young player) or 2 into the starting lineups can generate the desired outcome regardless. And when things start to go bad, the other players will start to lag. Look at this past Jags Texans game as a template. They left Case Keenum in there. He brought everyone on that team down. 

Quote:If you think the Texans did everything they could to beat the Jags yesterday, you're insane. Keenum never would have been left in that game for the duration if they were trying to win that game at all costs. 

 

They pulled Keenum in favor of Schaub who blew the game against Oakland.  So I'm confused, which QB were/are they using to tank?

 

Yep Schaub's stats are way better than Keenum's.

 

Too funny.

Quote:Any accusations of the Jags tanking became unfounded after the win over the Texans, given how tight the race is for the #1 pick is, and that the Texans now have the same record as the Jags due to that Jags win...

 

If the Jags were tanking they make sure they don't win that game vs the Texans. Period. 

 

It all depends:

A) The GM needs to have somebody graded as a legit #1 prospect, aka "worth tanking for".

 

If Caldwell had his sights on, say, Bridgewater as that guy.... he had to:

 

B) Gut the roster of any extra players that won't or shouldn't be part of our future, who might have given us a few more wins this year and get us out of the Bridgewater sweepstakes (Knighton, Cox, Smith)

 

I believe he did a good job of doing that.  We may not agree on every single veteran (M. Lewis etc), but ultimately it's Caldwell's call.  I think he as the GM put us in perfect position to "tank" without sabotaging our coaching staff. 

 

He has literally given Bradley one of the worst rosters I've ever seen.   If Bradley manages to get 4-5 wins out of this bunch, maybe that speaks volumes on how good of a coach and motivator he really is.

 

 

Coach Bradley and the players are not thinking about next year, nor should they.  They are on this team RIGHT now, but have no real long term ties to this franchise.  Players get cut, traded, or simply not re-signed.

 

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I do want the 1st pick, I really do.  I think our roster is so bad that we "deserve" it.  But I think "tanking" and at the same time trying to improve and coach our players isn't compatible.  Our GM has put this team on track to tank, and I think he made a good choice there.

Bradley's job, on the other hand, is to coach and improve this team, which I also think he's doing. 

 

In a perfect world we would continue to improve and maybe even get a few more wins, as long as all the other bad teams ALSO win and we still get the #1 pick.  Caldwell's tank job is succesfull, and Bradley's coaching job is also a success.  It could still happen, and I would literally find this season to be damn near perfect.

 

B)

 

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C) Let it play out

Quote:If you think the Texans did everything they could to beat the Jags yesterday, you're insane. Keenum never would have been left in that game for the duration if they were trying to win that game at all costs. 

I see teams like the` Browns, and Rams playing hard every week! Both will consider qb's at seasons end. Why are they not taking your advice?

Quote:actually, I have no conspiracy theories on either of those. 

 

....but the Colts did tank for Luck in 2011 and the Texans are tanking now for Teddy. 

The more you make the Colts comment, the dumber it sounds. Id be willing to bet an entire coaching staff did not lose on purpose knowing they were going to lose their jobs!

Quote:I don't understand what the big deal is. 

 

Colts played it smart and got Luck. 

 

Texans are playing it smart to get Bridgewater.

 

We're going to win a couple meaningless games, draft around 5th-6th spot, and win another 3-4 games next year because we missed out on Bridgewater.  Texans and Colts will own the division for the next decade, we'll be sharing the cellar with the tacks.

 

Mired in mediocrity. 

 

But whoop-dee-dooo, we beat the Texans...

TMD, is that you?

Quote:No. and the above point has already been discussed/ explained. Players won't lie down on purpose. But a strategic personnel inclusion (i,e, bad player/ raw young player) or 2 into the starting lineups can generate the desired outcome regardless. And when things start to go bad, the other players will start to lag. Look at this past Jags Texans game as a template. They left Case Keenum in there. He brought everyone on that team down. 

Ahh - selective quoting - well played - I believe I said you would respond that way and you did - it must be some kind of conspiracy!

Quote: But a strategic personnel inclusion (i,e, bad player/ raw young player) or 2 into the starting lineups can generate the desired outcome regardless.

 

How about an entire secondary filled with rookies?  How about inheriting this franchise and saying "yeah, we're gonna stick with Gabbert and Henne"

 

How about trading one of our better young players midway through the season for a couple of draft picks?

 

5 words:

Bradfield, Rackley, Meester, Nwaneri, Pasztor.

 

How about not signing a single high priced free agent this off season?

 

 

Newsflash, TMD:  We ARE tanking.  We have been the entire year.

Quote:How about an entire secondary filled with rookies?  How about inheriting this franchise and saying "yeah, we're gonna stick with Gabbert and Henne"

 

How about trading one of our better young players midway through the season for a couple of draft picks?

 

5 words:

Bradfield, Rackley, Meester, Nwaneri, Pasztor.

 

How about not signing a single high priced free agent this off season?

 

 

Newsflash, TMD:  We ARE tanking.  We have been the entire year.

How about getting valuable playing time for our talented up and coming rookies in a year that we all know we are not going to the playoffs?

 

How about we have our LT of the future and his name is Joeckle?

 

How about not wasting money when there is not immediate gain to be had?

 

PS - you don't have to convince TMD - he is right there with you.

I'll be glad when the seasons over and all this tank bs is over.

And the Jags can get on with business.

Quote:TMD, is that you?

 

I'm not the only one that thinks the Colts tanked or that teams have/ do. 

 

 


 

Quote:How about an entire secondary filled with rookies?  How about inheriting this franchise and saying "yeah, we're gonna stick with Gabbert and Henne"

 

How about trading one of our better young players midway through the season for a couple of draft picks?

 

5 words:

Bradfield, Rackley, Meester, Nwaneri, Pasztor.

 

How about not signing a single high priced free agent this off season?

 

 

Newsflash, TMD:  We ARE tanking.  We have been the entire year.

 

If they were tanking, Gabbert would have been re-inserted back into the starting lineup at some point. He hasn't been. Thats how I see it. If the Jags were tanking they don't win that game vs the Texans - you don't open the door for more teams a chance to get the #1 pick. 

Quote:I'll be glad when the seasons over and all this tank [BAD WORD REMOVED] is over.

And the Jags can get on with business.

 

 

....like playing the QB lottery since they missed out on the surest of QB prospects this draft in Bridgewater.