Quote:You're gloating over a 2-9 record?
Seriously?
Standards are pretty low nowadays
Quote:You're gloating over a 2-9 record?
Seriously?
To whom was this addressed?
Quote:You're gloating over a 2-9 record?
Seriously?
Maybe I have a different definition of gloating. But if you want to call being happy that we got another W against a rival, then sure call it gloating.
At the end of the day, our record will be what our record will be. Our draft position will not make or break the franchise. As we have seen under our previous GM, if you cannot draft properly, it doesn't matter whether we pick 1st or 10th.
We all know that having the #1 pick can potentially be a good thing for our future, but it's not a guarantee. So I'd rather have a W or 2 now, and then worry about our drafting and player needs after the season is over.
Quote:they still aren't.
The 2 wins they got were far from quality wins. One team simply sucked less than the other one in both instances.
Seriously.. go find another team to complain about.
some of you need to look up what a straw man argument is. noone is claiming that draft order is more important than quality of drafting.
BUT... for a team with such bad talent, I want us to have the first pick in EACH round to give our GM the best advantage
Quote:Indy tanked. Fans across the NFL joked about what Indy was doing.
They knew everything there was to know about Andrew Luck. They cooked up an old 2006 disc injury as an excuse to red-shirt Peyton Manning, and signed a sixteen year veteran, Kerry Collins to do whatever.
The entire football operations was burned out, ready to leave and decided to pass the torch.
The two wins came way late in the season after it was clear they would not be challenged for first over-all.
We could have blown it for Indy, but "Alibi" Jack Del Rio was too stupid or too busy dreaming about USC, or checking out early to care what the Jaguars did. Then when he got fired the team was trying to win in order to keep Mel Tucker as head coach.
We had the final decision to blow up Indy's chances of drafting Luck and we didn't get it done.
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Quote:I feel like the team has regained its sense of pride for the city and national scene. We were getting butchered across the nation and now they have someone else to whip on for a change. I feel a weight being taken off our team with this stretch of decent play.
LOL, the above is ridiculous because even if they went 5-11 this season they will still be getting butchered. Their point differential is by far and away the worst in the league. The only way they'd stop getting butchered is if they finally turned the corner and started winning consistently and thats only happening by getting a franchise QB. Otherwise, we'll just be in this similar position next year at the same time. But the short sighted giddy like a schoolgirl over an unimpressive win vs the 2-9 Texans cannot see this.
Quote:I don't see another win on the Texans schedule.
I think the Jags lose to the Browns, win against the Texans, and win against the Tacks.
We'll probably be 4-12, so no Teddy for us 
Texans are definitely going to draft Teddy if they have the #1 pick.
Yep.
but thats okay. Let em' have their QB of the next decade, we've got that 13-6 win over them while they were 2-8 in 2013 to put in our back pocket!!!
Quote:some of you need to look up what a straw man argument is. noone is claiming that draft order is more important than quality of drafting.
BUT... for a team with such bad talent, I want us to have the first pick in EACH round to give our GM the best advantage
So do I. Everyone does. No argument about that.
The question is, what price do we have to pay to achieve the first pick in each round.
My theory is, wins and losses really mean something in terms of the quality of team you have to build around. More wins means you have a better team to build on.
Sure I wanted us to have the top pick to put a cap on these seasons of inept play, but I like watching good football. The offense was awful in both wins. The defense has been fun to watch this year. It is nice to see their attitude even if they give up yards. At first glance, looks like a good first draft and decent talent acquisition. Now we need to rinse and repeat. At least the coaching staff is proving resillent and setting a football culture to carry over.
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My theory is, wins and losses really mean something in terms of the quality of team you have to build around. More wins means you have a better team to build on.
I'd say thats an oversimplistic way to look at it. The quality of the wins need to be examined. The Jags didn't show anything all that impressive in either the Texans or Titans wins. It wasn't as if they went out and walked away with a decisive win each time - they merely sucked less than the opponent in each case, barely hanging on at the end to scrape one out. Maybe if the Jags wiped the floor with the Texans yesterday 37-7, what you are saying would have some merit. But that didn't happen.
Quote:Sure I wanted us to have the top pick to put a cap on these seasons of inept play, but I like watching good football.
LOL, neither the Titans game nor the Texans game was "good football". Just because there was a W at the end doesn't make either of those games less ugly than they were. There isn't a team in the NFL that that Texans team would have beat yesterday, same with the Titan game. I'd be impressed with those games if it was more so the Jags taking it to the opponent, rather than sucking less than the opponent in each case.
So in the end, were not really getting much better AND now we'll miss out on the QB which was at least a nice consolation prize for enduring such a bad season. Fantastic. oh, AND now we've paved the way for another division rival to get THE QB, too, so we'll have that excuse why we cannot beat them or the Colts over the next 10 years....
TMD.. Yeah that wasn't good football and I am not claiming it was close to being exciting on offense. The Titans win was in spite of Henne trying to give it away. On defense, you hold any team to 2 field goals that is good defense.
Quote:TMD.. Yeah that wasn't good football and I am not claiming it was close to being exciting on offense. The Titans win was in spite of Henne trying to give it away. On defense, you hold any team to 2 field goals that is good defense.
Is it good defense when the opposing QB is an undrafted rookie Case Keenum?? He's awful. Maybe worse than Henne.
Quote:now we've paved the way for another division rival to get THE QB, too, so we'll have that excuse why we cannot beat them or the Colts over the next 10 years....
And of course it is a lock that Bridgewater is going to be an Elite NFL QB.. THE QB!!!! LOL.
Since the Jags are still in possession of the first pick you are whining just for the sake of whining.
So can somebody explain to me how I'm supposed to approach each game? Do I root for them to lose? Am I supposed to be unhappy when they win? I'm very confused as to what it means to be a fan.
I'm sorry. I don't see losing out on the supposed Bridgewater sweepstakes as something to commit suicide over. I just don't see him being the savior of a franchise.
And mentioning him in the same breath as Manning and Aikman? Hah. I only see ONE poser doing that.
Quote:And of course it is a lock that Bridgewater is going to be an Elite NFL QB.. THE QB!!!! LOL.
Since the Jags are still in possession of the first pick so you are whining just for the sake of whining.
Bridgewater pretty much is. People like you were probably saying similar rhetoric about Andrew Luck too, lol....."but Andrew has a weak arm, he won't be good in the NFL...."....
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Yes, there were Jags message board people making that argument.
As for still holding the first pick, even if they lose their next 4 which is unlikely due to the ease of schedule in that stretch, the Colts will be resting their starters in week 17, and they won[t be stupid enough to actually seriously try and beat the Jags and just "give them Bridgewater" in that scenario, you know, like we gave them Luck in similar circumstances in week 17 in 2011....
Personally, I see the Jags beating the Texans in 1 week & a half and that will be it. The Texans won't be dumb enough to win any games the rest of the season after that happens. Not only will the Jags miss out on the QB and give the QB to a division rival, but we'll also miss out on Clowney too. But we'll have those 3 or 4 wins for 2013 - to pretty much ensure we'll be in a similar position for years to come at the same point in each season.
Shockingly enough teams can draft players that are perennial pro bowlers and game changers without the 1st pick. Another odd development, drafting the consensus #1 overall QB doesn't guarantee that he'll do absolutely anything in the NFL. Stay tuned for more news.
Quote:Sure I wanted us to have the top pick to put a cap on these seasons of inept play, but I like watching good football. The offense was awful in both wins. The defense has been fun to watch this year. It is nice to see their attitude even if they give up yards. At first glance, looks like a good first draft and decent talent acquisition. Now we need to rinse and repeat. At least the coaching staff is proving resillent and setting a football culture to carry over.
That win was not good football. It was doing barely enough to win against a bad team. In other words, it is called meaningless football. If you want a real game turn to another broadcast.
Quote:Shockingly enough teams can draft players that are perennial pro bowlers and game changers without the 1st pick. Another odd development, drafting the consensus #1 overall QB doesn't guarantee that he'll do absolutely anything in the NFL. Stay tuned for more news.
....typical rhetoric spoken from any teams fans drafting past the first pick when guys like Manning/ Luck/ Aikman & Bridgewater were sitting at the top of each draft class'
Quote:....typical rhetoric spoken from any teams fans drafting past the first pick when guys like Manning/ Luck/ Aikman & Bridgewater were sitting at the top of each draft class'
Typical clueless comparisons between Aikman and, wait for it…Teddy Bridgewater. lol
Quote:I'd say thats an oversimplistic way to look at it. The quality of the wins need to be examined. The Jags didn't show anything all that impressive in either the Texans or Titans wins. It wasn't as if they went out and walked away with a decisive win each time - they merely sucked less than the opponent in each case, barely hanging on at the end to scrape one out. Maybe if the Jags wiped the floor with the Texans yesterday 37-7, what you are saying would have some merit. But that didn't happen.
Would you not admit that "sucking less" is a sign of progress? Three weeks ago we were being widely talked about as perhaps the worst NFL team of all time. Three weeks later we no longer hold that title. Progress. It means we have a coaching staff that can get an 0-8 team to play hard. It means we have young players who are developing. It means we have more of a team to build around than we thought we had three weeks ago. That's important.
The overall #1 pick is a consolation prize for having the worst team in the league, but not everyone is as enamored of Teddy B as you are. You are so in love with the guy that you think he would be the savior of the franchise, which is ridiculous. There is no assurance of that.
We don't really have a choice in the matter, but if it were up to me, I would rather this team make progress this year. I would rather see our young players start to develop, our coaching staff get some traction, our front office validated for at least some of the moves they have made, than have a hapless pathetic franchise plus Teddy Bridgewater.