Quote:Well, Paztor and Harbor have been playing for some time. Toddman still isn't playing nearly enough. I'll give you the other two, but in general I'd call it overdue and still less than needed. We have nothing at the QB position which should produce loyalty, and it's the easiest single position to impact the outcome.
But Bradley is not going back to Gabbert. That much is obvious. Stanzi is even puzzling why he is still on the team. Scott has shown nothing at any point in his career here. Henne is all we have and the two wins are in spite of him. He tried his hardest to give the Tennessee game away.
Quote:49ers went to the SB with a running game and defense, it's not common but there are exceptions
I don't understand why people are OK with us being the "exception". I don't want us to be the exception. I want the team to be constantly in the playoff picture every year because we have a QB who can get us there. When you don't have the QB, the good teams can scheme against your strengths and take them out of the game. Then you're stuck where you were before, which is without a QB. I don't want to have to "luck" into a player who happens to be a diamond in the rough. I want us to draft a guy who we think is a complete STUD and have him end up being a complete STUD. And I want that at QB.
I'm not advocating "tank for teddy", but honestly I will be disappointed if we don't get him or Carr because we happened to win a couple of games at the end of the season that didn't mean anything.
I am happy that we're seeing some maturity from Cyp and Sanders. I'm glad that CS3 now has back-to-back 700 yard seasons and looks to be a long term fixture at WR. I'm glad the defense is looking like it may start to come together. I'm glad that Marks and Hayes are panning out here and look to be here for a while. But I can still be glad about that progress if we lose. If we're going to stink, I want us to stink enough that we get the best player in the draft. Period. I'm sick of drafting in the top of the draft every single year. This next draft could very well be the last time we pick in the top 15 for a long time if we get our answer at QB this April.
The black helicopters flying above this thread are unsettling.
Quote:You still haven't accepted that in todays NFL world you cannot win without the franchise QB. The NFL made the rules lean so far this way, so now when teams manipulate to take advantage of these rules you pout and stamp your feet. Get used to it, its not going away, either. You'll see more teams like the Texans & Colts tank in the future to get their QB, unless the rules relax from promoting a passing game so much.
There is no way ANYONE can convince me this current Texans team has the talent of 1 true 2-9 team. This is a team with three Pro Bowlers on the OL....J.J. Watt...Whitney Mercilus...Jon Joseph.
Quote:There is no way ANYONE can convince me this current Texans team has the talent of 1 true 2-9 team. This is a team with three Pro Bowlers on the OL....J.J. Watt...Whitney Mercilus...Jon Joseph.
...And they're 2-9 because they don't have a QB. Joseph got schooled by CS3 a couple of times yesterday. Especially on a couple key 3rd downs. JJ got his stats, but couldn't stop MJD from going over 100 yards. Their Oline only gave up 2 sacks, but Keenum had people in his face all day. Sorry, but the Texans are not a "good" 2-9 team. Not until they get another QB. That's what they're missing.
Random question.
To those who are happy to not be tanking and pounding their chests over these past 2 victories...... are you happy with Henne as our QB going forward next year?
Quote:The above is ironic because if the Jags would just bottom out this season (like I have been calling for) and would have gone 1-15, they would have guaranteed themselves a franchise QB in Bridgewater and most likely would have started a run of consistent winning seasons.
This team has a MUCH higher chance of having successive losing seasons to come, with these late season nothing wins vs bad teams that will serve us little other than just pushing us further away from the top picks in the draft. THis team needs game changers, and unless you hit the draft lottery, these players are far more likely to come at the top couple picks.
So, in a way, people with YOUR mindset and enjoying these short sighted unimpressive late season wins that don't translate to continued success are the ones unintentionally wishing the above quote.
People like me know that a franchise QB turn teams around. We want that. NOW. ....and we were in prime position to get it, until yesterday, anyway.
The problem is you cannot make that guarantee of a franchise QB. If you could, then your point would be valid. You might "guess" he will be a franchise QB, but the Jaguars wins now are better than your guessing how one player's NFL Career will turn out. What if he blows a knee game 2? Never takes another snap.
Would a 2-14 season, fan apathy, lost ticket sales, have been worth it?
It's a gamble we cannot take, would not take, and if our GM is worth his salt we will get our Franchise QB regardless. Who also may blow out a knee game 2.
There are no guarantees Dog.
You take the wins and draft slot when and where it comes.
Quote:...And they're 2-9 because they don't have a QB. Joseph got schooled by CS3 a couple of times yesterday. Especially on a couple key 3rd downs. JJ got his stats, but couldn't stop MJD from going over 100 yards. Their Oline only gave up 2 sacks, but Keenum had people in his face all day. Sorry, but the Texans are not a "good" 2-9 team. Not until they get another QB. That's what they're missing.
....we're missing a franchise QB too....and more starved for one than they have been....and yet they are the ones smart enough to bottom out and get theirs when the opportunity shows itself....
Quote:Random question.
To those who are happy to not be tanking and pounding their chests over these past 2 victories...... are you happy with Henne as our QB going forward next year?
Who is "pounding their chest"? People are happy we won a game. I didn't realize not having the first pick (which they still have BTW) prevents you from taking a QB.
Quote:Who is "pounding their chest"? People are happy we won a game. I didn't realize not having the first pick (which they still have BTW) prevents you from taking a QB.
I would call someone who started a thread titled "To all you tankers..." that contained the words in big red text telling me to "suck on this win" is the message board equivalent of pounding their chest. It would also tell me they are happy with the direction of the franchise and want no changes.
Quote:The problem is you cannot make that guarantee of a franchise QB. If you could, then your point would be valid. You might "guess" he will be a franchise QB, but the Jaguars wins now are better than your guessing how one player's NFL Career will turn out. What if he blows a knee game 2? Never takes another snap.
Would a 2-14 season, fan apathy, lost ticket sales, have been worth it?
It's a gamble we cannot take, would not take, and if our GM is worth his salt we will get our Franchise QB regardless. Who also may blow out a knee game 2.
There are no guarantees Dog.
You take the wins and draft slot when and where it comes.
Wait, so you're saying that it's too much of a gamble to take a QB like Teddy or Carr with the first pick because they might blow out their knee? You do realize that the percentage of DE's taken in the top 10 who end up being worth their pick is less than half that of the QB's right? In other words, you're more likely to hit on a QB at the top of the draft than you are a DE.
Quote:Who is "pounding their chest"? People are happy we won a game. I didn't realize not having the first pick (which they still have BTW) prevents you from taking a QB.
It won't prevent you from "taking a QB", it will just eliminate your chances of getting the consensus best QB of this draft that has the fewest flaws by far of this years draft class.
It will force the Jags to then play the "QB lottery" loaded with more Gabbert-types.
Wonderful.
Guess the shiny pride badge garnered from the 13-6 win over a bad Texans team is worth missing out on a decade of top notch QB play though.
Quote:Random question.
To those who are happy to not be tanking and pounding their chests over these past 2 victories...... are you happy with Henne as our QB going forward next year?
The 2 are not related. You can get a new QB and dont' have to tank for the season.
Quote:Random question.
To those who are happy to not be tanking and pounding their chests over these past 2 victories...... are you happy with Henne as our QB going forward next year?
Even if we go 7-9, Henne will not be our QB next year.
Quote:It won't prevent you from "taking a QB", it will just eliminate your chances of getting the consensus best QB of this draft that has the fewest flaws by far of this years draft class.
It will force the Jags to then play the "QB lottery" loaded with more Gabbert-types.
Wonderful.
Guess the shiny pride badge garnered from the 13-6 win over a bad Texans team is worth missing out on a decade of top notch QB play though.
How do you know that top not QB play is waiting for us at #1? You don't
Gus and Caldwell went into this season wanting improvement. The improvement is happening right before your eyes and you guys are still crying about missing out on a top draft choice. Ridiculous.
I would much rather this team continue to improve and win games showing promise for the future than losing out and hoping teddy is the answer.
Quote:Wait, so you're saying that it's too much of a gamble to take a QB like Teddy or Carr with the first pick because they might blow out their knee? You do realize that the percentage of DE's taken in the top 10 who end up being worth their pick is less than half that of the QB's right? In other words, you're more likely to hit on a QB at the top of the draft than you are a DE.
You Totally misunderstood what I am saying. I said there are no guarantees after TMD said it was guaranteed TB would be our franchise QB
He might be. He might not be.
He could also blow a knee out, or be like Vince young, rookie of the year, pro bowl 2 years, number 3 pick, who fell apart.
You don't "TANK" and have total fan apathy and empty stadiums for a season, and let that ride on tbe back of one college players future NFL careeer.
It's asinine and stupid.
There isn't a team in the league who would gamble on that stategy, and if there were an owner that crazy, it would be a team that was a lock to never move,and had corporate sales filling the skyboxes like Washington or Dallas.
We cannot afford to be that stupid , and gamble so much on one player..
I doubt even a Dallas or Washington would do it, because there is so much risk involved.
THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES!
How hard is this to understand?
Quote:How do you know that top not QB play is waiting for us at #1? You don't
Gus and Caldwell went into this season wanting improvement. The improvement is happening right before your eyes and you guys are still crying about missing out on a top draft choice. Ridiculous.
I would much rather this team continue to improve and win games showing promise for the future than losing out and hoping teddy is the answer.
1. Theoretically improvement in team area can still happen without a W.
2. I haven't seen all that much improvement. I've seen the Jags go from playing a very tough first half of their schedule, to a pretty easy 2nd half of their schedule. Its good to be able to use perception to discern the 2. They didn't dominate the Texans, they barely beat Case friggin Keenum.....an undrafted guy who looks overmatched.
Quote:Random question.
To those who are happy to not be tanking and pounding their chests over these past 2 victories...... are you happy with Henne as our QB going forward next year?
henne wont be here next year Gabbert is still under contact. We will draft a QB at some point and may even sign a free agent or three.
Quote:I haven't seen all that much improvement.
you haven't been paying attention then or don't understand football, the defense is playing much better after the bye
the best case scenerio for the rest of the season is for young players to get better and be competitive, sometimes, that will get you a win, deal with it there's absolutely no reason to blame anyone for winning games