(10-09-2022, 06:01 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2022, 05:58 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]That's pretty funny, but what exactly is that creature representing the Hail Mary? Looks like half the torso is missing. Something there is anatomically incorrect.
Kinda like how Lawrence can throw a 100 MPH fast ball to his RB in the flat that causes drops but with a full windup threw a 30 yard hail marry, that the entire defense/offense had to run back for.
That hail marry reminded me of that Gabbert to Cecil Shorts play where he was wide open but cecil had to stop and come back for the ball and everyone said that was a punt pass lol.
(10-09-2022, 05:59 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh yeah, your really pissed off.
Well I tried to point out reasons we suck and discuss the team but i'm called a troll, so I figured i'd just share some lighthearted memes from the jaguars reddit.
No, I understood your analogy, I was just commenting on the picture of what looks like some sort of 3 legged wolf creature.
(10-09-2022, 05:58 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2022, 05:49 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Lawrence is not Allen. Sorry. What Allen lacked in accuracy and decision making earlier in his career he made up for it with his running ability and toughness when taking hits. Something Lawrence just doesn't either have at this level or is too chicken [BLEEP] to showcase for some reason.
Also, 2nd year Josh Allen went 10 - 6 and only turned the ball over 13 times in 16 games. With 9 being INT's and 4 being fumbles. Lawrence is already at 8 turnovers in 5 games. With 7 of those turnovers coming in the last 2 games.
That's concerning.
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Allen had 7 Ints 5 fumbles with 2 lost in the first 5 games of his second year.
Also one of TL's Ints was on a Hail Mary, even though it was a horribly thrown Hail Mary, that really only counts on the stat sheet and isn't reflective of the QB.
We'll see.
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He’s not Allen and he won’t be Allen. Our best hope is he becomes a good game manager at this point. Problem is we have a coach who has openly admitted he’s not committed to the run game
(10-09-2022, 06:15 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]He’s not Allen and he won’t be Allen. Our best hope is he becomes a good game manager at this point. Problem is we have a coach who has openly admitted he’s not committed to the run game
Allen didn’t become Allen until he got Diggs who is arguably the best route runner in the league and continually wins on the outside.
Zay Jones was a good story for a little bit but the Jags desperately need an outside playmaker.
(10-09-2022, 06:19 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2022, 06:15 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]He’s not Allen and he won’t be Allen. Our best hope is he becomes a good game manager at this point. Problem is we have a coach who has openly admitted he’s not committed to the run game
Allen didn’t become Allen until he got Diggs who is arguably the best route runner in the league and continually wins on the outside.
Zay Jones was a good story for a little bit but the Jags desperately need an outside playmaker.
I don’t think Trevor is a #1 receiver away from Allen level but we will see.
I haven’t completely given up but I have begun to admit it’s starting to look cloudy
(10-09-2022, 04:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2022, 04:25 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Yea Trevor hurt us at times today. So did Taylor's holding that took away a catch that would of put us in a 1st and goal situation. So did Walker's dumb [BLEEP] penalty. So did the drops. So did Doug's play calling at times. I'll never understand lining up in shotgun when you need 1 yard.
I'm sure this wont be Lawrence's last bad game, but just one person simply doesn't lose a football game.
No but Trevor was the biggest reason we lost today. This offense had 6 points at home to the worst team in the league. That pick in the endzone, the multiple over throws and WRs that were missed when open that he didnt see is why we lost. You are one of the only ones that cant see it.
The tinhorns weren’t going to convert on 3rd and 20 so the penalty was essentially a turnover. That followed by the tinhorns driving down for the touchdown had the greatest impact on the game because of situation and time remaining.
Trevor didn’t have a good game and getting points on the drive he threw the pick in the end zone whether FG or TD could have changed things, but we were probably going to win this one in spite of his rough day had the Walker penalty and ensuing drive not happened.
(10-09-2022, 06:19 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2022, 06:15 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]He’s not Allen and he won’t be Allen. Our best hope is he becomes a good game manager at this point. Problem is we have a coach who has openly admitted he’s not committed to the run game
Allen didn’t become Allen until he got Diggs who is arguably the best route runner in the league and continually wins on the outside.
Zay Jones was a good story for a little bit but the Jags desperately need an outside playmaker.
Jones is probably still ok. At least thank God we didn't pursue A Rob for a triumphant return to Jax.
I think it's fair to give him his entire second year before you label him a bust. He definitley needs to improve in a few areas but we've all seen flashes of what he can potentially be. Here's to hoping for great end to his sophomore year where he can be more consistent game to game.
(10-09-2022, 06:12 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2022, 05:58 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]Allen had 7 Ints 5 fumbles with 2 lost in the first 5 games of his second year.
Also one of TL's Ints was on a Hail Mary, even though it was a horribly thrown Hail Mary, that really only counts on the stat sheet and isn't reflective of the QB.
We'll see.
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That was kind of my point. You don't rush to judgement based on extrapolating a season and then compare it to our first 5 games. Also contributing the bills season record to the play of Allen is a faulty comparison. The bills were a much more developed and experienced team than the current jags.
The bills were 4 and 1 during those first 5 games, so they were able to win in spite of Allen being a turnover machine, not because of his high performance.
They both accounted for 8 TDs during the comparative time frame. The difference being the bills had a better overall team and weren't reliant on Allen to play well in order to win games as we currently are with TL.
(10-09-2022, 06:24 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's fair to give him his entire second year before you label him a bust. He definitley needs to improve in a few areas but we've all seen flashes of what he can potentially be. Here's to hoping for great end to his sophomore year where he can be more consistent game to game.
Only a select few are outright saying that. But many of his most ardent supporters such as myself are starting to simmer
(10-09-2022, 06:24 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's fair to give him his entire second year before you label him a bust. He definitley needs to improve in a few areas but we've all seen flashes of what he can potentially be. Here's to hoping for great end to his sophomore year where he can be more consistent game to game.
This is exactly where I’m at.
(10-09-2022, 06:35 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2022, 06:12 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]We'll see.
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That was kind of my point. You don't rush to judgement based on extrapolating a season and then compare it to our first 5 games. Also contributing the bills season record to the play of Allen is a faulty comparison. The bills were a much more developed and experienced team than the current jags.
The bills were 4 and 1 during those first 5 games, so they were able to win in spite of Allen being a turnover machine, not because of his high performance.
They both accounted for 8 TDs during the comparative time frame. The difference being the bills had a better overall team and weren't reliant on Allen to play well in order to win games as we currently are with TL.
Meh. Allen and Lawrence are still not the same QB though man. Physically and mentally.
This defense has kept these games close. Lawrence has put them in holes and yet to dig them out of one.
Allen has the arm and mobility that we all wish Lawrence has. He doesn't. He's more in line with Alex Smith and Matt Ryan than he is with Aaron Rodgers and Josh Allen.
I don't trust him anymore with the game on the line or the game only being in a one possession scenario. I just don't think he has it in him.
Just had to win this game today. Wind in the sails are gone for sure. Lawrence will have his mental toughness questioned now and decision making abilities.
If he has a third floundering performance in a row on Sunday? Gooood God. Watch out. People we'll be saying he's Carson Wentz 2.0.
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It's far too early to give up on him, but he has left back at the same place I was at the start of the season.
I began the season with a bit of pessimism and uncertainty as if he would ever live up to the high expectations of top tier franchise QB. Then after a few games I was starting to think he had turned the corner and was actually going to be the generational player that so many people thought he would be.
Now I'm right back to square one feeling the same pessimism and uncertainty that I began the season feeling.
(10-09-2022, 06:22 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2022, 04:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]No but Trevor was the biggest reason we lost today. This offense had 6 points at home to the worst team in the league. That pick in the endzone, the multiple over throws and WRs that were missed when open that he didnt see is why we lost. You are one of the only ones that cant see it.
The tinhorns weren’t going to convert on 3rd and 20 so the penalty was essentially a turnover. That followed by the tinhorns driving down for the touchdown had the greatest impact on the game because of situation and time remaining.
Trevor didn’t have a good game and getting points on the drive he threw the pick in the end zone whether FG or TD could have changed things, but we were probably going to win this one in spite of his rough day had the Walker penalty and ensuing drive not happened.
The defense shouldn't have to play a perfect game for us to win. The defense held the to 13 points and the offense couldn't do anything with it
And they wonder why our attendance is so bad. What a pitiful effort.
(10-09-2022, 06:22 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2022, 04:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]No but Trevor was the biggest reason we lost today. This offense had 6 points at home to the worst team in the league. That pick in the endzone, the multiple over throws and WRs that were missed when open that he didnt see is why we lost. You are one of the only ones that cant see it.
The tinhorns weren’t going to convert on 3rd and 20 so the penalty was essentially a turnover. That followed by the tinhorns driving down for the touchdown had the greatest impact on the game because of situation and time remaining.
Trevor didn’t have a good game and getting points on the drive he threw the pick in the end zone whether FG or TD could have changed things, but we were probably going to win this one in spite of his rough day had the Walker penalty and ensuing drive not happened.
This...and the defense still had an opportunity to stop them after and they didn't....
(10-09-2022, 07:00 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2022, 06:22 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]The tinhorns weren’t going to convert on 3rd and 20 so the penalty was essentially a turnover. That followed by the tinhorns driving down for the touchdown had the greatest impact on the game because of situation and time remaining.
Trevor didn’t have a good game and getting points on the drive he threw the pick in the end zone whether FG or TD could have changed things, but we were probably going to win this one in spite of his rough day had the Walker penalty and ensuing drive not happened.
This...and the defense still had an opportunity to stop them after and they didn't....
The defense held them to 13 points. The defense gave the ball back to the offense at the end to tie it and couldn't. It's comical to put this on the defense. They were the only reason this game was close.
Time for him to grow up and become a man. He plays with the confidence of a rookie. He needs to get some DOG in him, I just don't see it.
It was said he has good mobility but I don't see it. And his accuracy is very shaky! Right now he's not a baller.
(10-09-2022, 07:03 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2022, 07:00 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]This...and the defense still had an opportunity to stop them after and they didn't....
The defense held them to 13 points. The defense gave the ball back to the offense at the end to tie it and couldn't. It's comical to put this on the defense. They were the only reason this game was close.
Both points can be right.
You can’t pin this loss on the defense at all. They were pretty great for 95% of this game. At the same time, they do probably win this game if Walker doesn’t make that mistake. (They also likely win if Trevor doesn’t throw that interception in the RedZone)
This game sucked