(10-10-2022, 07:39 AM)rumpleteazer Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 07:35 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Meh. I have concerns, but I also see the flashes.
Last year set us back with Trevor. Everyone one expecting him to take a "second year leap" is going to be disappointed. He's started this year at the same point of his development as when he was drafted. If anything, you could say he came in this offseason WORSE than he was coming in as a rookie. Is he the "generational QB" like Manning? No. Is he a bust? No. These ups and downs are going to happen. Especially at this point of the year. The drops don't help.
It is what it is. He's still the best QB we've had since Brunell and he'll be fine.
Lmao
Literally anyone who steps on the field will eventually have “flashes”
[BLEEP] does that even mean??
It’s like the term “generational” lmaoooo ??
FYI: obsessing over “flashes” is what kept the Jets and Browns with Baker and Darnold for far too long
I literally just said he's not generational. But again, we first have to undo what Meyer did and then build him from there.
People were calling Josh Allen a bust going into his third year too. He's not Herbert/Mahomes/Burrow, that's obvious. Can he? Yes, he still has the talent to be a top QB. It's obvious to literally everyone, except you apparently.
We need an identity, I wish we would just try to be a run first team just for 1 game to see it works. If it doesn't work, fine go back to doing whatever. I still don't see how Trevor threw these 2 picks I these last couple games to Bradbury and Stingley. How does he not see these guys, they are right there. It makes you question his vision and the way he sees the football field. I still think Trevor can figure it out but him and the coaches need to get together and fix things
(10-10-2022, 07:44 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We need an identity, I wish we would just try to be a run first team just for 1 game to see it works. If it doesn't work, fine go back to doing whatever. I still don't see how Trevor threw these 2 picks I these last couple games to Bradbury and Stingley. How does he not see these guys, they are right there. It makes you question his vision and the way he sees the football field. I still think Trevor can figure it out but him and the coaches need to get together and fix things
Bradbury one it wasn't a bad decision if the ball wasn't a floater. Kirk was wide open.
Stingley was bad bad.
(10-10-2022, 07:35 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Meh. I have concerns, but I also see the flashes.
Last year set us back with Trevor. Everyone one expecting him to take a "second year leap" is going to be disappointed. He's started this year at the same point of his development as when he was drafted. If anything, you could say he came in this offseason WORSE than he was coming in as a rookie. Is he the "generational QB" like Manning? No. Is he a bust? No. These ups and downs are going to happen. Especially at this point of the year. The drops don't help.
I don't think people realize how much damage Urban did to Trevor. He regressed quite a bit in 21. So not only does Pederson have to UNDO that, but then develop him from there.
It is what it is. He's still the best QB we've had since Brunell and he'll be fine.
I will never understand all the blatant LIES coming from this fan base
Menshew is the best QB since Brunell
It’s like posters on here saying “all the QBs from 2021 have been terrible” another lie Zach Wilson looks good
(10-10-2022, 07:46 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 07:44 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We need an identity, I wish we would just try to be a run first team just for 1 game to see it works. If it doesn't work, fine go back to doing whatever. I still don't see how Trevor threw these 2 picks I these last couple games to Bradbury and Stingley. How does he not see these guys, they are right there. It makes you question his vision and the way he sees the football field. I still think Trevor can figure it out but him and the coaches need to get together and fix things
Bradbury one it wasn't a bad decision if the ball wasn't a floater. Kirk was wide open.
Stingley was bad bad.
The Bradbuy one was a horrible decision lol. He wasnt wide open, Bradbury was right there to jump in front of Kirk for the pick. Agnew was wide open and had Kirk in front of him to block Bradbury for a likely TD. It was a horrible decision to throw it to Kirk with Bradbury right in front of him facing toward the ball for the easy pick
(10-10-2022, 08:08 AM)rumpleteazer Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 07:35 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Meh. I have concerns, but I also see the flashes.
Last year set us back with Trevor. Everyone one expecting him to take a "second year leap" is going to be disappointed. He's started this year at the same point of his development as when he was drafted. If anything, you could say he came in this offseason WORSE than he was coming in as a rookie. Is he the "generational QB" like Manning? No. Is he a bust? No. These ups and downs are going to happen. Especially at this point of the year. The drops don't help.
I don't think people realize how much damage Urban did to Trevor. He regressed quite a bit in 21. So not only does Pederson have to UNDO that, but then develop him from there.
It is what it is. He's still the best QB we've had since Brunell and he'll be fine.
I will never understand all the blatant LIES coming from this fan base
Menshew is the best QB since Brunell
It’s like posters on here saying “all the QBs from 2021 have been terrible” another lie Zach Wilson looks good
On what planet has Wilson looked good? He has 10 TDs and 13 Ints so far. His 2 games this year he has 1 TD and 2 Ints.
(10-10-2022, 08:13 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 07:46 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Bradbury one it wasn't a bad decision if the ball wasn't a floater. Kirk was wide open.
Stingley was bad bad.
The Bradbuy one was a horrible decision lol. He wasnt wide open, Bradbury was right there to jump in front of Kirk for the pick. Agnew was wide open and had Kirk in front of him to block Bradbury for a likely TD. It was a horrible decision to throw it to Kirk with Bradbury right in front of him facing toward the ball for the easy pick
I admittedly never rewatched that game so I'd have to look again. I remember Kirk being open and Trevor floating the ball in there giving Bradbury time to react. But I very likely could be wrong on that one. I was just going off memory.
(10-10-2022, 08:13 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 07:46 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Bradbury one it wasn't a bad decision if the ball wasn't a floater. Kirk was wide open.
Stingley was bad bad.
The Bradbuy one was a horrible decision lol. He wasnt wide open, Bradbury was right there to jump in front of Kirk for the pick. Agnew was wide open and had Kirk in front of him to block Bradbury for a likely TD. It was a horrible decision to throw it to Kirk with Bradbury right in front of him facing toward the ball for the easy pick
2 things that could help Trevor immensely is learn at times to take some of the heat off some of his passes. You don't have to throw a fast ball every single pass. If every throw wasn't a fast ball when he throws those high ones the WRs might actually be able to catch it. Same with the RBs, if the are just running a short crosser or a short little out route you dont have to throw a fast ball every single time. Try to make the pass a little easier from them and these drops will likely get cut in half. Oh and the other one is the horrible game killing picks
(10-10-2022, 08:25 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 08:13 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The Bradbuy one was a horrible decision lol. He wasnt wide open, Bradbury was right there to jump in front of Kirk for the pick. Agnew was wide open and had Kirk in front of him to block Bradbury for a likely TD. It was a horrible decision to throw it to Kirk with Bradbury right in front of him facing toward the ball for the easy pick
I admittedly never rewatched that game so I'd have to look again. I remember Kirk being open and Trevor floating the ball in there giving Bradbury time to react. But I very likely could be wrong on that one. I was just going off memory.
(10-10-2022, 08:13 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The Bradbuy one was a horrible decision lol. He wasnt wide open, Bradbury was right there to jump in front of Kirk for the pick. Agnew was wide open and had Kirk in front of him to block Bradbury for a likely TD. It was a horrible decision to throw it to Kirk with Bradbury right in front of him facing toward the ball for the easy pick
Look at Agnew underneath where he has Kirk for the blocker
https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video...d-zone-int
(10-10-2022, 07:44 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We need an identity, I wish we would just try to be a run first team just for 1 game to see it works. If it doesn't work, fine go back to doing whatever. I still don't see how Trevor threw these 2 picks I these last couple games to Bradbury and Stingley. How does he not see these guys, they are right there. It makes you question his vision and the way he sees the football field. I still think Trevor can figure it out but him and the coaches need to get together and fix things
(10-10-2022, 08:13 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 07:46 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Bradbury one it wasn't a bad decision if the ball wasn't a floater. Kirk was wide open.
Stingley was bad bad.
The Bradbuy one was a horrible decision lol. He wasnt wide open, Bradbury was right there to jump in front of Kirk for the pick. Agnew was wide open and had Kirk in front of him to block Bradbury for a likely TD. It was a horrible decision to throw it to Kirk with Bradbury right in front of him facing toward the ball for the easy pick
(10-10-2022, 08:08 AM)rumpleteazer Wrote: [ -> ]I will never understand all the blatant LIES coming from this fan base
Menshew is the best QB since Brunell
It’s like posters on here saying “all the QBs from 2021 have been terrible” another lie Zach Wilson looks good
On what planet has Wilson looked good? He has 10 TDs and 13 Ints so far. His 2 games this year he has 1 TD and 2 Ints.
Zach first game was against Pitt where he lead a forth quarter comeback and hit every pass on the 4th Q
This week Wilson was good again but didn’t have to do much with how dominating the run game was
Wilson has been improving since he returned from injury last year
(10-10-2022, 08:08 AM)rumpleteazer Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 07:35 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Meh. I have concerns, but I also see the flashes.
Last year set us back with Trevor. Everyone one expecting him to take a "second year leap" is going to be disappointed. He's started this year at the same point of his development as when he was drafted. If anything, you could say he came in this offseason WORSE than he was coming in as a rookie. Is he the "generational QB" like Manning? No. Is he a bust? No. These ups and downs are going to happen. Especially at this point of the year. The drops don't help.
I don't think people realize how much damage Urban did to Trevor. He regressed quite a bit in 21. So not only does Pederson have to UNDO that, but then develop him from there.
It is what it is. He's still the best QB we've had since Brunell and he'll be fine.
I will never understand all the blatant LIES coming from this fan base
Menshew is the best QB since Brunell
It’s like posters on here saying “all the QBs from 2021 have been terrible” another lie Zach Wilson looks good
I LOVED Minshew. But no, he's not more talented than Trevor.
Trevor, along with many other young QBs, needs a true X receiver who consistently separates. This is why I really wanted Pickens in the draft (who is playing really well right now for the Steelers).
However, he has to play better. The interception by Stingley just can't happen. This team is moving the ball with ease it seems like and then all of a sudden, it stops. They had 422 yards of offense. They averaged 6 yards per play and came away with 6 points. They are moving the ball efficiently but they're killing themselves. The hold by Taylor after a converted first down. Failed 4th down conversions (why RPO on 4th and 1?). Dropped passes all over. Terrible interception on 2nd and 1 by Trevor. Terrible personal foul on Travon on 3rd and 20.
I do think Trevor is the franchise QB and I think this will get turned around.
(10-10-2022, 08:38 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor, along with many other young QBs, needs a true X receiver who consistently separates. This is why I really wanted Pickens in the draft (who is playing really well right now for the Steelers).
However, he has to play better. The interception by Stingley just can't happen. This team is moving the ball with ease it seems like and then all of a sudden, it stops. They had 422 yards of offense. They averaged 6 yards per play and came away with 6 points. They are moving the ball efficiently but they're killing themselves. The hold by Taylor after a converted first down. Failed 4th down conversions (why RPO on 4th and 1?). Dropped passes all over. Terrible interception on 2nd and 1 by Trevor. Terrible personal foul on Travon on 3rd and 20.
I do think Trevor is the franchise QB and I think this will get turned around.
Our WRs have been getting separation. Trevor has missed them and overthrown them too many times this season. There has also been a number of plays where a WR is wide open and Trevor doesnt see them. Pickens is a deep threat, Trevor's accuracy on deep balls isn't very good. He is much more accurate on the shorter passes. If we drafted Pickens we wouldn't be any better than we are now on offense and we would be worse on defense because we wouldn't have Lloyd. Trevor needs to wok on his accuracy more than we need another WR. It doesn't matter what WR you have if you can't make accurate throws
(10-10-2022, 08:35 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 08:08 AM)rumpleteazer Wrote: [ -> ]I will never understand all the blatant LIES coming from this fan base
Menshew is the best QB since Brunell
It’s like posters on here saying “all the QBs from 2021 have been terrible” another lie Zach Wilson looks good
I LOVED Minshew. But no, he's not more talented than Trevor.
I don't know about that. Minshew looked better with less talent around him. I think we'd have a better record with Minshew.
Let’s not forget that other teams have game planned against Trevor. They’re taking away his bread and butter on the short routes and making him throw long. They can see 1) his protection isn’t the best and 2) he’s aware of this and becomes flustered and develops tunnel vision when the pocket starts collapsing or when he’s rolling out. He doesn’t consider his run options often enough and will stare down receivers and force a pass. Let’s also look at his tendency to sail passes. He was ate up with it yesterday.
TL’s main problem, as I see it, is his strong tendency to revert to bad habits. Doug has spoken a couple of times about getting old habits trained out of him and I’m sure Doug is a little frustrated. He sees the athletic talent, it’s getting the gray matter to work as it should under stress. Last year left an indelible mark, it’s going to take a while to get it worked out. Lawrence is capable of it, he just needs to believe in himself.
(10-10-2022, 08:26 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]2 things that could help Trevor immensely is learn at times to take some of the heat off some of his passes. You don't have to throw a fast ball every single pass. If every throw wasn't a fast ball when he throws those high ones the WRs might actually be able to catch it. Same with the RBs, if the are just running a short crosser or a short little out route you dont have to throw a fast ball every single time. Try to make the pass a little easier from them and these drops will likely get cut in half. Oh and the other one is the horrible game killing picks
(10-10-2022, 08:25 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I admittedly never rewatched that game so I'd have to look again. I remember Kirk being open and Trevor floating the ball in there giving Bradbury time to react. But I very likely could be wrong on that one. I was just going off memory.
Look at Agnew underneath where he has Kirk for the blocker
https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video...d-zone-int
But again, if he just places the ball HERE, it's a potential TD or at worst incomplete. That's what I meant was it wasn't a terrible decision but a terrible throw.
![[Image: kirk.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/wvSSVK87/kirk.png)
(10-10-2022, 07:44 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We need an identity, I wish we would just try to be a run first team just for 1 game to see it works. If it doesn't work, fine go back to doing whatever. I still don't see how Trevor threw these 2 picks I these last couple games to Bradbury and Stingley. How does he not see these guys, they are right there. It makes you question his vision and the way he sees the football field. I still think Trevor can figure it out but him and the coaches need to get together and fix things
(10-10-2022, 08:38 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor, along with many other young QBs, needs a true X receiver who consistently separates. This is why I really wanted Pickens in the draft (who is playing really well right now for the Steelers).
However, he has to play better. The interception by Stingley just can't happen. This team is moving the ball with ease it seems like and then all of a sudden, it stops. They had 422 yards of offense. They averaged 6 yards per play and came away with 6 points. They are moving the ball efficiently but they're killing themselves. The hold by Taylor after a converted first down. Failed 4th down conversions (why RPO on 4th and 1?). Dropped passes all over. Terrible interception on 2nd and 1 by Trevor. Terrible personal foul on Travon on 3rd and 20.
I do think Trevor is the franchise QB and I think this will get turned around.
The only thing bringing a true X WR here with Lawrence at QB will do is piss them tf off.
then all you all will be hating and bashing the WR because he’s frustrated with the terrible QB
(10-10-2022, 08:59 AM)rumpleteazer Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 07:44 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We need an identity, I wish we would just try to be a run first team just for 1 game to see it works. If it doesn't work, fine go back to doing whatever. I still don't see how Trevor threw these 2 picks I these last couple games to Bradbury and Stingley. How does he not see these guys, they are right there. It makes you question his vision and the way he sees the football field. I still think Trevor can figure it out but him and the coaches need to get together and fix things
(10-10-2022, 08:38 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor, along with many other young QBs, needs a true X receiver who consistently separates. This is why I really wanted Pickens in the draft (who is playing really well right now for the Steelers).
However, he has to play better. The interception by Stingley just can't happen. This team is moving the ball with ease it seems like and then all of a sudden, it stops. They had 422 yards of offense. They averaged 6 yards per play and came away with 6 points. They are moving the ball efficiently but they're killing themselves. The hold by Taylor after a converted first down. Failed 4th down conversions (why RPO on 4th and 1?). Dropped passes all over. Terrible interception on 2nd and 1 by Trevor. Terrible personal foul on Travon on 3rd and 20.
I do think Trevor is the franchise QB and I think this will get turned around.
The only thing bringing a true X WR here with Lawrence at QB will do is piss them tf off.
then all you all will be hating and bashing the WR because he’s frustrated with the terrible QB
Are you Zach Wilson's Mom's friend? That explains so much
(10-10-2022, 08:55 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 08:26 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]2 things that could help Trevor immensely is learn at times to take some of the heat off some of his passes. You don't have to throw a fast ball every single pass. If every throw wasn't a fast ball when he throws those high ones the WRs might actually be able to catch it. Same with the RBs, if the are just running a short crosser or a short little out route you dont have to throw a fast ball every single time. Try to make the pass a little easier from them and these drops will likely get cut in half. Oh and the other one is the horrible game killing picks
Look at Agnew underneath where he has Kirk for the blocker
https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/video...d-zone-int
But again, if he just places the ball HERE, it's a potential TD or at worst incomplete. That's what I meant was it wasn't a terrible decision but a terrible throw.
Even if he put the ball there Bradbury was still there to make a play. That would of been a very tough throw under the weather conditions. Agnew was underneath with Kirk in front of him for a blocker. It was a horrible decision and he threw it to the wrong WR with Bradbury right there. Agnew maybe would of scored if Kirk can block Bradbury
(10-10-2022, 09:13 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 08:55 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]But again, if he just places the ball HERE, it's a potential TD or at worst incomplete. That's what I meant was it wasn't a terrible decision but a terrible throw.
Even if he put the ball there Bradbury was still there to make a play. That would of been a very tough throw under the weather conditions. Agnew was underneath with Kirk in front of him for a blocker. It was a horrible decision and he threw it to the wrong WR with Bradbury right there. Agnew maybe would of scored if Kirk can block Bradbury
Bradbury started that play quite a bit inside and close to the goal line. A throw to the outside there would have kept it out of harm's way if nothing else. Agnew was open as well and would have been the better/safer option. But again, just because that would have been a hard throw to make to Kirk doesn't mean the decision in and of itself was bad. He was open and there was space to put the ball. He just missed it badly. I think I have the All 22 with NFL+, I'll try to grab a screenshot of where he was when he threw the ball
(10-10-2022, 08:46 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 08:38 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor, along with many other young QBs, needs a true X receiver who consistently separates. This is why I really wanted Pickens in the draft (who is playing really well right now for the Steelers).
However, he has to play better. The interception by Stingley just can't happen. This team is moving the ball with ease it seems like and then all of a sudden, it stops. They had 422 yards of offense. They averaged 6 yards per play and came away with 6 points. They are moving the ball efficiently but they're killing themselves. The hold by Taylor after a converted first down. Failed 4th down conversions (why RPO on 4th and 1?). Dropped passes all over. Terrible interception on 2nd and 1 by Trevor. Terrible personal foul on Travon on 3rd and 20.
I do think Trevor is the franchise QB and I think this will get turned around.
Our WRs have been getting separation. Trevor has missed them and overthrown them too many times this season. There has also been a number of plays where a WR is wide open and Trevor doesnt see them. Pickens is a deep threat, Trevor's accuracy on deep balls isn't very good. He is much more accurate on the shorter passes. If we drafted Pickens we wouldn't be any better than we are now on offense and we would be worse on defense because we wouldn't have Lloyd. Trevor needs to wok on his accuracy more than we need another WR. It doesn't matter what WR you have if you can't make accurate throws
https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...LPwH8WoiDg
I just disagree. Trevor does need to be more accurate. No doubt. But there are still major issues with our outside receivers.
(10-10-2022, 08:38 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor, along with many other young QBs, needs a true X receiver who consistently separates. This is why I really wanted Pickens in the draft (who is playing really well right now for the Steelers).
However, he has to play better. The interception by Stingley just can't happen. This team is moving the ball with ease it seems like and then all of a sudden, it stops. They had 422 yards of offense. They averaged 6 yards per play and came away with 6 points. They are moving the ball efficiently but they're killing themselves. The hold by Taylor after a converted first down. Failed 4th down conversions (why RPO on 4th and 1?). Dropped passes all over. Terrible interception on 2nd and 1 by Trevor. Terrible personal foul on Travon on 3rd and 20.
I do think Trevor is the franchise QB and I think this will get turned around.
Excellent summary of the failure yesterday. Per the last sentence, my mental jury is still out on that one.