(10-30-2022, 03:18 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]There's a lot more seats on the Lawrence train lately and I completely get the posters who have jumped off, I can't tell you your wrong (well maybe the trolls) but he has to start putting a complete game together. It's been a rough stretch for him and the team and Doug to be honest. You see the good moments and then he has a bad one.
Just needs to keep improving the good stuff and eliminating the mistakes but the schedule doesn't get any easier.
I mean, his first interception today. I didn't see a replay but wasn't that almost exactly what he did a couple of weeks ago?
(10-30-2022, 04:27 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 03:18 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]There's a lot more seats on the Lawrence train lately and I completely get the posters who have jumped off, I can't tell you your wrong (well maybe the trolls) but he has to start putting a complete game together. It's been a rough stretch for him and the team and Doug to be honest. You see the good moments and then he has a bad one.
Just needs to keep improving the good stuff and eliminating the mistakes but the schedule doesn't get any easier.
I mean, his first interception today. I didn't see a replay but wasn't that almost exactly what he did a couple of weeks ago?
It was kind of similar. The one against Houston he just didn't see the DB but should have taken the yards on the run. Today's....I don't like throwing on the 1 unless it's a PA. Just smash that thing in but that's something we've struggled to do. Lawrence seemed a bit too focused on his Receiver and missed Simmons getting in the throwing lane.
It's a bad play but I think it's more on Lawrence forcing it and trying to make the play. It's something he needs to stop doing but I think he's just trying to be 'the guy' with those plays.
(10-30-2022, 04:27 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 03:18 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]There's a lot more seats on the Lawrence train lately and I completely get the posters who have jumped off, I can't tell you your wrong (well maybe the trolls) but he has to start putting a complete game together. It's been a rough stretch for him and the team and Doug to be honest. You see the good moments and then he has a bad one.
Just needs to keep improving the good stuff and eliminating the mistakes but the schedule doesn't get any easier.
I mean, his first interception today. I didn't see a replay but wasn't that almost exactly what he did a couple of weeks ago?
Pretty much. Forcing the ball into a bad situation.
(10-30-2022, 01:04 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The amount of good from Trevor out weighs the bad, but this team isn't good enough to overcome the few mistakes he makes which magnifies them tenfold.
I don't know if it does anymore. I used to think that, but I'm seeing major regression. He was not bad at all in the final game last year and then in the first 3 games this year, but he has regressed badly.
We should totally get rid of Lawrence lets start over again and then do it again in 3 years. Let's ignore every analyst who says this is basically his rookie year because that's how bad Urban was because us as fans know more then any of them.
You all dog on Lawrence for his play then turn around and make excuses for Josh Allen for doing far less.
(10-30-2022, 05:46 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]We should totally get rid of Lawrence lets start over again and then do it again in 3 years. Let's ignore every analyst who says this is basically his rookie year because that's how bad his first year is because us as fans know more then any of them.
You all dog on Lawrence for his play then turn around and make excuses for Josh Allen for doing far less.
(10-30-2022, 05:46 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]We should totally get rid of Lawrence lets start over again and then do it again in 3 years. Let's ignore every analyst who says this is basically his rookie year because that's how bad his first year under Urban was because us as fans know more then any of them.
You all dog on Lawrence for his play then turn around and make excuses for Josh Allen for doing far less.
Who is making excuses for Josh Allen?
Lawrence isn't improving. He's making the same boneheaded mistakes. He's not mentally strong and I don't know if he will be able to snap out of it. We'll have plenty of time to figure it out though because I'm not sold on any of the quarterbacks coming out.
(10-30-2022, 05:50 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 05:46 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]We should totally get rid of Lawrence lets start over again and then do it again in 3 years. Let's ignore every analyst who says this is basically his rookie year because that's how bad his first year is because us as fans know more then any of them.
You all dog on Lawrence for his play then turn around and make excuses for Josh Allen for doing far less.
Who is making excuses for Josh Allen?
Lawrence isn't improving. He's making the same boneheaded mistakes. He's not mentally strong and I don't know if he will be able to snap out of it. We'll have plenty of time to figure it out though because I'm not sold on any of the quarterbacks coming out.
Go look at the Allen trade rumor trend. Every Bill's fan said the same thing about Josh Allen. I'm not saying there isn't call for concern but how about we get him a real WR first.
(10-30-2022, 05:25 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 01:04 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]The amount of good from Trevor out weighs the bad, but this team isn't good enough to overcome the few mistakes he makes which magnifies them tenfold.
I don't know if it does anymore. I used to think that, but I'm seeing major regression. He was not bad at all in the final game last year and then in the first 3 games this year, but he has regressed badly.
I don't think so. Hes been bad in 3 games this year. Today, Eagles and texans. He was average to good in the others.
(10-30-2022, 05:50 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 05:46 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]We should totally get rid of Lawrence lets start over again and then do it again in 3 years. Let's ignore every analyst who says this is basically his rookie year because that's how bad his first year is because us as fans know more then any of them.
You all dog on Lawrence for his play then turn around and make excuses for Josh Allen for doing far less.
Who is making excuses for Josh Allen?
Lawrence isn't improving. He's making the same boneheaded mistakes. He's not mentally strong and I don't know if he will be able to snap out of it. We'll have plenty of time to figure it out though because I'm not sold on any of the quarterbacks coming out.
Unless you know him personally, how can you even say this?
(10-30-2022, 05:53 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 05:50 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Who is making excuses for Josh Allen?
Lawrence isn't improving. He's making the same boneheaded mistakes. He's not mentally strong and I don't know if he will be able to snap out of it. We'll have plenty of time to figure it out though because I'm not sold on any of the quarterbacks coming out.
Go look at the Allen trade rumor trend. Every Bill's fan said the same thing about Josh Allen. I'm not saying there isn't call for concern but how about we get him a real WR first.
For every Josh Allen there are 100s or maybe even 1000s of QBs that dont do what he did
(10-30-2022, 05:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 05:25 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know if it does anymore. I used to think that, but I'm seeing major regression. He was not bad at all in the final game last year and then in the first 3 games this year, but he has regressed badly.
I don't think so. Hes been bad in 3 games this year. Today, Eagles and texans. He was average to good in the others.
(10-30-2022, 05:50 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Who is making excuses for Josh Allen?
Lawrence isn't improving. He's making the same boneheaded mistakes. He's not mentally strong and I don't know if he will be able to snap out of it. We'll have plenty of time to figure it out though because I'm not sold on any of the quarterbacks coming out.
Unless you know him personally, how can you even say this?
Agreed also the only way he could have survived Urban is if he is mentally strong. If Lawrence makes no progress next year then it's time to think about the future but if Josh Allen thought us anything it's that sometimes you need a few years to figure it out.
(10-30-2022, 05:53 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 05:50 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Who is making excuses for Josh Allen?
Lawrence isn't improving. He's making the same boneheaded mistakes. He's not mentally strong and I don't know if he will be able to snap out of it. We'll have plenty of time to figure it out though because I'm not sold on any of the quarterbacks coming out.
Go look at the Allen trade rumor trend. Every Bill's fan said the same thing about Josh Allen. I'm not saying there isn't call for concern but how about we get him a real WR first.
Josh Allen didn't even look bad his second year. He wasn't amazing, but he was absolutely better than Trevor. And we have better receivers than Josh Allen did in his second year.
(10-30-2022, 05:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 05:25 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know if it does anymore. I used to think that, but I'm seeing major regression. He was not bad at all in the final game last year and then in the first 3 games this year, but he has regressed badly.
I don't think so. Hes been bad in 3 games this year. Today, Eagles and texans. He was average to good in the others.
(10-30-2022, 05:50 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Who is making excuses for Josh Allen?
Lawrence isn't improving. He's making the same boneheaded mistakes. He's not mentally strong and I don't know if he will be able to snap out of it. We'll have plenty of time to figure it out though because I'm not sold on any of the quarterbacks coming out.
Unless you know him personally, how can you even say this?
Watch him play. It's obvious.
(10-30-2022, 06:04 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 05:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think so. Hes been bad in 3 games this year. Today, Eagles and texans. He was average to good in the others.
Unless you know him personally, how can you even say this?
Agreed also the only way he could have survived Urban is if he is mentally strong. If Lawrence makes no progress next year then it's time to think about the future but if Josh Allen thought us anything it's that sometimes you need a few years to figure it out.
I've already said he has this year and next year. I don't think they go QB this year and I don't think there are any really worth it.
(10-30-2022, 06:07 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 05:53 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]Go look at the Allen trade rumor trend. Every Bill's fan said the same thing about Josh Allen. I'm not saying there isn't call for concern but how about we get him a real WR first.
Josh Allen didn't even look bad his second year. He wasn't amazing, but he was absolutely better than Trevor. And we have better receivers than Josh Allen did in his second year.
(10-30-2022, 05:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think so. Hes been bad in 3 games this year. Today, Eagles and texans. He was average to good in the others.
Unless you know him personally, how can you even say this?
Watch him play. It's obvious.
(10-30-2022, 06:04 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed also the only way he could have survived Urban is if he is mentally strong. If Lawrence makes no progress next year then it's time to think about the future but if Josh Allen thought us anything it's that sometimes you need a few years to figure it out.
I've already said he has this year and next year. I don't think they go QB this year and I don't think there are any really worth it.
Allen also didn't have Urban Meyer his first year. Do you honestly believe Lawrence received any NFL level coaching last year? Because I honestly don't believe he did.
The nice thing is that we are Stuck.
I would draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd next year.
Trevor start next season and we see how he is. If he plays great and is a definite franchise guy, great! If he’s not at least we have some options.
(10-30-2022, 05:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 05:25 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know if it does anymore. I used to think that, but I'm seeing major regression. He was not bad at all in the final game last year and then in the first 3 games this year, but he has regressed badly.
I don't think so. Hes been bad in 3 games this year. Today, Eagles and texans. He was average to good in the others.
(10-30-2022, 05:50 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Who is making excuses for Josh Allen?
Lawrence isn't improving. He's making the same boneheaded mistakes. He's not mentally strong and I don't know if he will be able to snap out of it. We'll have plenty of time to figure it out though because I'm not sold on any of the quarterbacks coming out.
Unless you know him personally, how can you even say this?
1 300 yard game in 8 games in a pass first offense
(10-30-2022, 07:00 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]The nice thing is that we are Stuck.
I would draft a guy in the 2nd or 3rd next year.
Trevor start next season and we see how he is. If he plays great and is a definite franchise guy, great! If he’s not at least we have some options.
No we're not. The purpose of redoing the cba and draft slotting is to make it easier to correct mistakes @ qb.
1300 yards. That tells you how bad our defense is.
(10-30-2022, 06:59 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 06:07 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen didn't even look bad his second year. He wasn't amazing, but he was absolutely better than Trevor. And we have better receivers than Josh Allen did in his second year.
Watch him play. It's obvious.
I've already said he has this year and next year. I don't think they go QB this year and I don't think there are any really worth it.
Allen also didn't have Urban Meyer his first year. Do you honestly believe Lawrence received any NFL level coaching last year? Because I honestly don't believe he did.
Sure, but again, Lawrence is
regressing which isn't a good thing. His best games were at the beginning of the season.
(10-30-2022, 07:23 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 06:59 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]Allen also didn't have Urban Meyer his first year. Do you honestly believe Lawrence received any NFL level coaching last year? Because I honestly don't believe he did.
Sure, but again, Lawrence is regressing which isn't a good thing. His best games were at the beginning of the season.
The defense has regressed.... Most of the games regardless of what happened prior... we have the lead at the middle/end of the fourth quarter and the defense blows it.... We could easily have four more wins under our belt maybe five if the defense could actually do its job when they're supposed to.... But all the Trevor haters come out and say well Trevor should have put up more points.... sometimes it doesn't work that way....lol Now some are saying that Trevor doesn't score any points it's the running game... So Trevor sucks when we score points to take the lead... Trevor sucks when the defense blows the lead... Trevor sucks when we lose the game....see the pattern.... I'm waiting to win a game just to see the trolls say well it wasn't really Trevor who won it.... Or he didn't win by 50 gazillion points So it doesn't matter He's regressing
(10-30-2022, 07:03 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 05:54 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think so. Hes been bad in 3 games this year. Today, Eagles and texans. He was average to good in the others.
Unless you know him personally, how can you even say this?
1 300 yard game in 8 games in a pass first offense
That's what happens when you don't have anybody who can win outside/go deep.
(10-30-2022, 07:51 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2022, 07:23 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, but again, Lawrence is regressing which isn't a good thing. His best games were at the beginning of the season.
The defense has regressed.... Most of the games regardless of what happened prior... we have the lead at the middle/end of the fourth quarter and the defense blows it.... We could easily have four more wins under our belt maybe five if the defense could actually do its job when they're supposed to.... But all the Trevor haters come out and say well Trevor should have put up more points.... sometimes it doesn't work that way....lol Now some are saying that Trevor doesn't score any points it's the running game... So Trevor sucks when we score points to take the lead... Trevor sucks when the defense blows the lead... Trevor sucks when we lose the game....see the pattern.... I'm waiting to win a game just to see the trolls say well it wasn't really Trevor who won it.... Or he didn't win by 50 gazillion points So it doesn't matter He's regressing
Here we go with the defense again. No one is giving the defense a pass. But, if you're going to say that the defense is supposed to do the job it's supposed to do then maybe you should also say Trevor is supposed to do the job he's supposed to do. He has ended
FOUR games on the final drive with an interception or a fumble.
FOUR.
Trevor threw for less yards than Etienne rushed for. I'm going to go ahead and give him a share of the blame like I blame the defense.