(10-15-2022, 01:35 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 01:34 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Kenny Pickett
Zach Wilson
Trey Lance
Justin Fields
Daniel Jones
Tua Tagovailoa
Dwayne Haskins
Josh Allen
Sam Darnold
Mitch Trubisky
That's 10 of the most recent 19 Quarterbacks drafted in the first round.
They all prove you to be spectacularly full of [BLEEP] CURRENTLY and historically
And how many of these QBs do you think are very good?
The [BLEEP] are you talking about?
None of those guys hit the ground running. That's the point.
You were wrong.
(10-15-2022, 01:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 01:35 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]And how many of these QBs do you think are very good?
The [BLEEP] are you talking about?
None of those guys hit the ground running. That's the point.
You were wrong.
Justin Fields still sucks. Trubisky sucks. All those that you have listed are not franchise QBs or even remotely close to top 5 QBs in the league besides Josh Allen.
You're argument is invalid.
(10-15-2022, 01:38 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 01:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The [BLEEP] are you talking about?
None of those guys hit the ground running. That's the point.
You were wrong.
Justin Fields still sucks. Trubisky sucks. All those that you have listed are not franchise QBs or even remotely close to top 5 QBs in the league besides Josh Allen.
You're argument is invalid.
Completely missed the point... Not surprising
(10-15-2022, 01:38 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 01:37 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The [BLEEP] are you talking about?
None of those guys hit the ground running. That's the point.
You were wrong.
Justin Fields still sucks. Trubisky sucks. All those that you have listed are not franchise QBs or even remotely close to top 5 QBs in the league besides Josh Allen.
You're argument is invalid.
I'm not arguing anything. I'm educating you.
Try to keep up and pay attention.
You disagreed that many rookie QBs do not hit the ground running in the current era. This list shows you don't know what you are talking about. Attempting to move the goalposts will not help you appear less stupid.
The majority of 1st round QBs struggle early or fail completely.
90's
2000's
and NOW
You were wrong.
Get over it.
(10-15-2022, 01:42 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 01:38 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Justin Fields still sucks. Trubisky sucks. All those that you have listed are not franchise QBs or even remotely close to top 5 QBs in the league besides Josh Allen.
You're argument is invalid.
I'm not arguing anything. I'm educating you.
Try to keep up and pay attention.
You disagreed that many rookie QBs do not hit the ground running in the current era. This list shows you don't know what you are talking about. Attempting to move the goalposts will not help you appear less stupid.
The majority of 1st round QBs struggle early or fail completely.
90's
2000's
and NOW
You were wrong.
Get over it.
He just doesn't get it lol .. his post is saying that in the '90s and the early 2000s this happened.... but not in the late 2000s to current.....you completely proved him wrong and now he's spinning....
(10-15-2022, 01:42 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 01:38 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Justin Fields still sucks. Trubisky sucks. All those that you have listed are not franchise QBs or even remotely close to top 5 QBs in the league besides Josh Allen.
You're argument is invalid.
You disagreed that many rookie QBs do not hit the ground running in the current era. This list shows you don't know what you are talking about. Attempting to move the goalposts will not help you appear less stupid.
The majority of 1st round QBs struggle early or fail completely.
90's
2000's
and NOW
You were wrong.
Get over it.
My argument was if the QB is good they do hit the ground running regardless of being a rookie or not, here are examples: Andrew Luck, Lamar Jackson, DeShaun Watson, Herbert, Russel Wilson, etc. These came to the league and "hit the ground running" and had consistency at the QB position for YEARS.....
, Josh Allen was the only franchise QB that struggled, than three years later finally put it together.
I would love to add Mahomes to that list, but could not make the list because he did not even start his rookie year.
I'm not moving the goalpost, feel free to scroll down to page #49 to see my original post on this matter. So yes your argument of mentioning those QBs in flawed because none of those QBs "are hitting the ground running" those QBs are STILL bandaids to their respectable teams.
If you mean by will Lawrence improve in his third year versus his first and second? Sure. But that doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be mentioned by those other guys I've mentioned.
As it remains you are wrong in this current era. You were right on the earlier era of QBs. Typically if a QB is going to be very good they hit the ground running soon as they hit the league, evidence by these guys I've mentioned.
(10-15-2022, 02:03 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 01:42 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You disagreed that many rookie QBs do not hit the ground running in the current era. This list shows you don't know what you are talking about. Attempting to move the goalposts will not help you appear less stupid.
The majority of 1st round QBs struggle early or fail completely.
90's
2000's
and NOW
You were wrong.
Get over it.
My argument was if the QB is good they do hit the ground running regardless of being a rookie or not, here are examples: Andrew Luck, Lamar Jackson, DeShaun Watson, Herbert, Russel Wilson, etc. These came to the league and "hit the ground running" and had consistency at the QB position for YEARS.....
, Josh Allen was the only franchise QB that struggled, than three years later finally put it together.
I would love to add Mahomes to that list, but could not make the list because he did not even start his rookie year.
I'm not moving the goalpost, feel free to scroll down to page #49 to see my original post on this matter. So yes your argument of mentioning those QBs in flawed because none of those QBs "are hitting the ground running" those QBs are STILL bandaids to their respectable teams.
If you mean by will Lawrence improve in his third year versus his first and second? Sure. But that doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be mentioned by those other guys I've mentioned.
As it remains you are wrong in this current era. You were right on the earlier era of QBs. Typically if a QB is going to be very good they hit the ground running soon as they hit the league, evidence by these guys I've mentioned.
LOL
Spin it however you want.
(10-15-2022, 02:10 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 02:03 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]My argument was if the QB is good they do hit the ground running regardless of being a rookie or not, here are examples: Andrew Luck, Lamar Jackson, DeShaun Watson, Herbert, Russel Wilson, etc. These came to the league and "hit the ground running" and had consistency at the QB position for YEARS.....
, Josh Allen was the only franchise QB that struggled, than three years later finally put it together.
I would love to add Mahomes to that list, but could not make the list because he did not even start his rookie year.
I'm not moving the goalpost, feel free to scroll down to page #49 to see my original post on this matter. So yes your argument of mentioning those QBs in flawed because none of those QBs "are hitting the ground running" those QBs are STILL bandaids to their respectable teams.
If you mean by will Lawrence improve in his third year versus his first and second? Sure. But that doesn't necessarily mean he is going to be mentioned by those other guys I've mentioned.
As it remains you are wrong in this current era. You were right on the earlier era of QBs. Typically if a QB is going to be very good they hit the ground running soon as they hit the league, evidence by these guys I've mentioned.
LOL
Spin it however you want.
Read it however you want. People want to criticize Pederson for putting everything on Lawrence shoulders but he is doing it the right way, studying him and seeing if he can handle the workload. That's the right way of doing it, unfortunately I'm a tad nervous that Lawrence will do just good enough (because of the defense), and the run game to warrant another extension when or by his rookie deal. But whats so good about this situation is that Pederson is doing this for long term future. If Lawrence flourishes by being a drop back QB than we will have one of the best offenses in the league and QB in the league. IF we don't I just hope we could move on and not have an Alex Smith, Cousins or a Tannehill of QB in our roster because all were going to do is waste our prime roster and never win a chip, which is the ultimate goal. Look at what happend to 'Tacks they had everything going for them last year and had one hell of a roster (cheap too) just for their QB to come short and completetly ruin their SB inspiration.
Pederson knows what he is doing. If Lawrence could succeed in a drop back system we will be hard to beat in the next two to three years.
(10-15-2022, 02:31 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 02:10 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
Spin it however you want.
Read it however you want. People want to criticize Pederson for putting everything on Lawrence shoulders but he is doing it the right way, studying him and seeing if he can handle the workload. That's the right way of doing it, unfortunately I'm a tad nervous that Lawrence will do just good enough (because of the defense), and the run game to warrant another extension when or by his rookie deal. But whats so good about this situation is that Pederson is doing this for long term future. If Lawrence flourishes by being a drop back QB than we will have one of the best offenses in the league and QB in the league. IF we don't I just hope we could move on and not have an Alex Smith, Cousins or a Tannehill of QB in our roster because all were going to do is waste our prime roster and never win a chip, which is the ultimate goal. Look at what happend to 'Tacks they had everything going for them last year and had one hell of a roster (cheap too) just for their QB to come short and completetly ruin their SB inspiration.
Pederson knows what he is doing. If Lawrence could succeed in a drop back system we will be hard to beat in the next two to three years.
That is a pretty giant backpedal from stating you already knew Lawrence was not going to pan out.
LOL
(10-15-2022, 02:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 02:31 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Read it however you want. People want to criticize Pederson for putting everything on Lawrence shoulders but he is doing it the right way, studying him and seeing if he can handle the workload. That's the right way of doing it, unfortunately I'm a tad nervous that Lawrence will do just good enough (because of the defense), and the run game to warrant another extension when or by his rookie deal. But whats so good about this situation is that Pederson is doing this for long term future. If Lawrence flourishes by being a drop back QB than we will have one of the best offenses in the league and QB in the league. IF we don't I just hope we could move on and not have an Alex Smith, Cousins or a Tannehill of QB in our roster because all were going to do is waste our prime roster and never win a chip, which is the ultimate goal. Look at what happend to 'Tacks they had everything going for them last year and had one hell of a roster (cheap too) just for their QB to come short and completetly ruin their SB inspiration.
Pederson knows what he is doing. If Lawrence could succeed in a drop back system we will be hard to beat in the next two to three years.
That is a pretty giant backpedal from stating you already knew Lawrence was not going to pan out.
LOL
I dont think he will but I could be wrong like everyone else that doesnt believe he will. Whats wrong with this statement? The history is not on his side to succeed..... if I was going to be positive he could be a decent starter that will lead you to some playoff wins but nothing else. But I have zero faith he will ever be a top QB in this league. Is that fair or is that a backpaddle?
(10-15-2022, 02:40 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 02:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]That is a pretty giant backpedal from stating you already knew Lawrence was not going to pan out.
LOL
I dont think he will but I could be wrong like everyone else that doesnt believe he will. Whats wrong with this statement? The history is not on his side to succeed..... if I was going to be positive he could be a decent starter that will lead you to some playoff wins but nothing else. But I have zero faith he will ever be a top QB in this league. Is that fair or is that a backpaddle?
Contradict yourself all you want.
Hedge your bets on your hyperbolic negative takes all you want.
You're not the first Lawrence-hater troll to do so here.
Makes no difference to me.
(10-15-2022, 02:48 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 02:40 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]I dont think he will but I could be wrong like everyone else that doesnt believe he will. Whats wrong with this statement? The history is not on his side to succeed..... if I was going to be positive he could be a decent starter that will lead you to some playoff wins but nothing else. But I have zero faith he will ever be a top QB in this league. Is that fair or is that a backpaddle?
Contradict yourself all you want.
Hedge your bets on your hyperbolic negative takes all you want.
You're not the first Lawrence-hater troll to do so here.
Makes no difference to me.
Care to point me to a post where I contradicted myself?
It obviously does. You apparently have a hard on for a QB that hasn't really had a complete game yet as a pro.
Carry on.
There you go again.
Andrew Luck was a 54% passer his rookie year and he threw 18 Ints. Lamar Jackson got 7 starts and went 58% with 6 TDs and 3 picks, Watson played well in limited games before his knee injury. Wilson went to a .500-ish team in Seattle and played well. You seem to have this penchant for warping history to your preferred narrative even if it means you have to ignore the facts. Of course you also choose to omit that most of those guys went to teams that were light years better than the Jaguars. But that's to be expected. Shame.
(10-14-2022, 08:19 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2022, 07:41 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]What are you trying to argue here? Lol. We led the league last year in drops and we are leading the league this year
I'm not arguing anything. Just because Buffalo pass attempts were higher doesnt mean anything. A drop is a drop. JAX are also ranked top 3 in terms of % first down reception. This team has decent recievers, the QB has to step up and put more than 6 points on the board.
They all have to step up and give Robinson the ball 15+ times!!
If TL has a third bomb in a row, I’m wondering if Pederson puts in CJ next week. That opens up such a huge can of worms that I don’t think it’s time yet. I think TL has to have four bombed games in a row before Pederson (and Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnn!) decide the best they can do with this season is “develop the team”. Plus we have to see the “if TL can do X then we’re good, otherwise we’ll need to work on things” sort of press conference and that hasn’t happened yet.
A lot riding on the quality of game played tomorrow.
CJ will never start a game here unless Trevor gets hurt.
1 bad game, which wasn't actually that bad and part of the fan base completely lose their mind about Lawrence. This idea that a player is only as good as their last game and the grass is ALWAYS greener attitude is so tiresome.
Some of the absurd comments I've read on here this week....
Dont generalize the entire fanbase because of a few bad posters. It annoys me too but I feel like the majority of our fanbase is behind our QB. And those who arent - are in the minority for a reason.
(10-15-2022, 08:23 PM)TownCenterJag Wrote: [ -> ]Dont generalize the entire fanbase because of a few bad posters. It annoys me too but I feel like the majority of our fanbase is behind our QB. And those who arent - are in the minority for a reason.
Erm I didn't. I said a part of the fanbase, and like half of those who have concerns are just trolls.
I get the legitimate issues some have.
(10-15-2022, 03:04 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]There you go again.
Andrew Luck was a 54% passer his rookie year and he threw 18 Ints. Lamar Jackson got 7 starts and went 58% with 6 TDs and 3 picks, Watson played well in limited games before his knee injury. Wilson went to a .500-ish team in Seattle and played well. You seem to have this penchant for warping history to your preferred narrative even if it means you have to ignore the facts. Of course you also choose to omit that most of those guys went to teams that were light years better than the Jaguars. But that's to be expected. Shame.
Seems to me hes not warping history but rather you are, because you compare “first years” and then compare him to guys such as lamar who didnt even play half a year and then compare him to luck only with the interception stat rather than the full thing so lets do some fact checking shall we.
Trevor Lawrence has played in 22 games and has
20 tds to 21 interceptions.
Lamar Jackson in 22 games: 42 passing tds, 9 int along with 12 rushing tds
Andrew Luck first 22 games: 33 td 20 int along with 8 rushing tds
Deshaun Watson first 22 games 45 tds 17 ints along with 7 rushing tds
I did lawrence a solid and kept his absurd fumble number out to try and help him not look too bad.