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I'm afraid Jets made the better pick between Wilson versus Lawrence.

Will see though. Wilson looks much better than Lawrence.

(10-11-2022, 02:54 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2022, 02:33 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Coach Campo on 1010 saying he's very pleased with what he sees in TL, and says he's improved every game. The problem, he states, is TL forcing it out of frustration. He also says the frustration is borne of impatience by not just TL, but by the fanbase, and most importantly, by the coaches.

With that being said, has anyone else noticed how the running game disappears somewhere in the 2nd quarter? It makes me think Doug is forcing Lawrence to get the ball downfield.

He also stated that Troy Aikman was a three-year project before he started making strides. Coach Campo preaches patience, it will come. Good to hear from him because I trust his opinion more than just about anyone else's.

That statement in bold. Is that an assumption or known within the locker room? If he's forcing something out of frustration due to coaching that's a bit of a concern. 

I am pretty much over the whole "we need to run the football more" mantra. I was a proponent of this earlier on, however, it was working in weeks two and three with him airing it out. 

Week four on the road is tough to gauge how it would have played out. That's the one game where I felt they should have ran it strictly because of the weather. 

Then week five happened at home. My personal opinion, I think Pederson wanted to give Lawrence more opportunities in the passing game to make up for the mistakes he made in Philadelphia. 

I am willing to bet that if he doesn't throw that INT in the end zone and we go up 13 to 6 that it completely changes the course of the game and it's possible Pederson turns Robinson loose in the running game. 

Despite this perception of the team not running the football? They're ranked 5th in total rushing yardage in the AFC and they're 15th overall in the NFL in total rushing yardage. Robinson has close to 300 yards on the ground and Etienne has a little over 200 yards on the ground. Also looks like Hasty is getting into the mix these past two games. 

Also, Lawrence missed a wide open Robinson in a check down opportunity on 2nd and goal this past Sunday. The one thing I kept calling for, the use of the TE's in the passing game? That finally seemed to be more incorporated into the game plan with Manhertz, Arnold and Engram all getting involved. 

It's just situational football man. I cannot get pissed off at Pederson when he's calling passes with his QB that he's trusting to make the play, which, he ultimately does, but then he proceeds to miss the right read, makes the wrong read and forces a really bad pass that leads into a turnover. 

That's on Lawrence. Not Pederson. When the ball is in your hands, you have to protect it, you have to make the right decisions and you have to get it done. Period. Running game this, passing game that, look, to an extent, I GET IT. BUT.... if the play calling is getting you into the red zone? You have to execute within scoring range. He's let the team down a bit in that regard. 

Maybe after five games and this team officially being on the wrong side of .500? Maybe Pederson starts to shift his overall approach and starts taking the ball out of Lawrence's hands once he gets them closer and inside the red zone. I think we'll see it this Sunday on the road. 

Fully expect something like this by the time the game is finished and we're taking a knee for the win to close it out. 

Jaguars - 24
Clots - 13

Lawrence: 19/26 - 270 yards passing - 1 TD / 0 INT - 4 Rushes for 33 yards - 1 TD / 0 FUM
Robinson: 13 carries for 89 yards - 2 receptions for 19 yards - 1 TD RUSH
Etienne: 9 carries for 43 yards - 4 receptions for 47 yards - 1 TD REC

That's a balanced game IMHO. BUT.... that only occurs if Lawrence gets off to a fast start and doesn't turn it over like he's done in the last two games early.

Being that Campo doesn't have any official connection with the team, that I know about, I'll assume his statements were made through observations and insight. However, it's difficult to disagree with him.

(10-11-2022, 04:44 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]I'm afraid Jets made the better pick between Wilson versus Lawrence.

Will see though. Wilson looks much better than Lawrence.

Wilson has 1 TD and 2 Ints on the season for the 2 games he has played with a passer raiting of 73.0

Trevor has 8 Tds 4 Ints with a passer rating of 88.  "Wilson looks much better than Lawrence" lmao

(10-11-2022, 05:30 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2022, 04:44 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]I'm afraid Jets made the better pick between Wilson versus Lawrence.

Will see though. Wilson looks much better than Lawrence.

Wilson has 1 TD and 2 Ints on the season for the 2 games he has played with a passer raiting of 73.0

Trevor has 8 Tds 4 Ints with a passer rating of 88.  "Wilson looks much better than Lawrence" lmao

Blake Bortles second year through 5 games:
10 td 4 int 1,299 yards 
1 win 4 losses

(10-11-2022, 05:38 PM)Big Dougy P Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2022, 05:30 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Wilson has 1 TD and 2 Ints on the season for the 2 games he has played with a passer raiting of 73.0

Trevor has 8 Tds 4 Ints with a passer rating of 88.  "Wilson looks much better than Lawrence" lmao

Blake Bortles second year through 5 games:
10 td 4 int 1,299 yards 
1 win 4 losses

That was his best year by far.

https://youtu.be/cx9qoXOUScs

What are we doing here guys?

Wilson better than Lawrence? BORTLES vs Lawrence? Come on now.

(10-11-2022, 06:11 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]What are we doing here guys?

Wilson better than Lawrence? BORTLES vs Lawrence? Come on now.

I agree. Lawrence has had his moments but he's trending in the right direction. Wilson just started his season as well. Give it time. His licks are coming.

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Anyone who is questioning coach Pederson is an absolute moron. He has drawn up many great plays that the QB just flat out misses. I do understand he is a young QB and will make mistakes. It's the basics that drive me crazy. Why is he so inaccurate on short to medium routes? Why does he not take the guaranteed first down instead try to force a ball into a tight window? Let us hope he ia a late bloomer like Josh Allen.

(10-11-2022, 06:11 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]What are we doing here guys?

Wilson better than Lawrence? BORTLES vs Lawrence? Come on now.

I just thought it was interesting to compare Bortles and Lawrence second year thusfar. Very similar. Trevor has 1 more win, Bortles has 2 more TDs and both had 4 ints.

(10-11-2022, 05:52 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2022, 05:38 PM)Big Dougy P Wrote: [ -> ]Blake Bortles second year through 5 games:
10 td 4 int 1,299 yards 
1 win 4 losses

That was his best year by far.

https://youtu.be/cx9qoXOUScs

Indeed, it was also his second year.

(10-11-2022, 02:33 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Coach Campo on 1010 saying he's very pleased with what he sees in TL, and says he's improved every game. The problem, he states, is TL forcing it out of frustration. He also says the frustration is borne of impatience by not just TL, but by the fanbase, and most importantly, by the coaches.

With that being said, has anyone else noticed how the running game disappears somewhere in the 2nd quarter? It makes me think Doug is forcing Lawrence to get the ball downfield.

He also stated that Troy Aikman was a three-year project before he started making strides. Coach Campo preaches patience, it will come. Good to hear from him because I trust his opinion more than just about anyone else's.

YES.

This is what I've been seeing, too. When he settles in, and just takes what the D gives him, we move chains. When we try to force a big play to happen, we start going off the rails. If TL is in fact forcing things out of frustration, he and Doug and Press need to have a sit-down and work through this. If they are asking him to be something he isn't, it ain't gonna work. Figure out what works, and build within that blueprint.

The other day, someone brought up Josh Allen as a project that paid off, and I couldn't help but think how their fans/coaches dealt with the development. They understood. It was gonna take time to get him familiar with a serious step up in competition. While I didn't get a weekly dose of Bills football to gauge their level of (dis-)pleasure, I don't recall the wolves howling as he took his lumps.

Maybe our fans bought into the media hype. Maybe the fans just want us to forego future prospect and just sign an aging vet to play out the twilight of their career for a short chance to do something big. I dunno. But cripes, it's gotta be discouraging as all hell to play for a team that gets booed the minute the team struggles. My biggest fear is the kid does finally figure it out, but when time comes for a new deal, he does like everyone before him and asks to seek greener pastures. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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(10-11-2022, 04:44 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]I'm afraid Jets made the better pick between Wilson versus Lawrence.

Will see though. Wilson looks much better than Lawrence.

of all the posts out there, this is certainly one of 'em.

(10-11-2022, 05:30 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2022, 04:44 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]I'm afraid Jets made the better pick between Wilson versus Lawrence.

Will see though. Wilson looks much better than Lawrence.

Wilson has 1 TD and 2 Ints on the season for the 2 games he has played with a passer raiting of 73.0

Trevor has 8 Tds 4 Ints with a passer rating of 88.  "Wilson looks much better than Lawrence" lmao

I guess MK just doesn't have a thing for long hair.

(10-11-2022, 09:33 PM)Big Dougy P Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2022, 06:11 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]What are we doing here guys?

Wilson better than Lawrence? BORTLES vs Lawrence? Come on now.

I just thought it was interesting to compare Bortles and Lawrence second year thusfar. Very similar. Trevor has 1 more win, Bortles has 2 more TDs and both had 4 ints.

My guy. Watch them play and if you really see similarities, go to MyEyeDoctor.

(10-12-2022, 08:48 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2022, 09:33 PM)Big Dougy P Wrote: [ -> ]I just thought it was interesting to compare Bortles and Lawrence second year thusfar. Very similar. Trevor has 1 more win, Bortles has 2 more TDs and both had 4 ints.

My guy. Watch them play and if you really see similarities, go to MyEyeDoctor.

The collective memory of Bortles’ time here is so fuzzy.  I guess the goodwill created from the playoff run outweighs what was plain to see regarding his deficiencies as a passer for most.

(10-12-2022, 08:22 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2022, 02:33 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Coach Campo on 1010 saying he's very pleased with what he sees in TL, and says he's improved every game. The problem, he states, is TL forcing it out of frustration. He also says the frustration is borne of impatience by not just TL, but by the fanbase, and most importantly, by the coaches.

With that being said, has anyone else noticed how the running game disappears somewhere in the 2nd quarter? It makes me think Doug is forcing Lawrence to get the ball downfield.

He also stated that Troy Aikman was a three-year project before he started making strides. Coach Campo preaches patience, it will come. Good to hear from him because I trust his opinion more than just about anyone else's.

YES.

This is what I've been seeing, too. When he settles in, and just takes what the D gives him, we move chains. When we try to force a big play to happen, we start going off the rails. If TL is in fact forcing things out of frustration, he and Doug and Press need to have a sit-down and work through this. If they are asking him to be something he isn't, it ain't gonna work. Figure out what works, and build within that blueprint.

The other day, someone brought up Josh Allen as a project that paid off, and I couldn't help but think how their fans/coaches dealt with the development. They understood. It was gonna take time to get him familiar with a serious step up in competition. While I didn't get a weekly dose of Bills football to gauge their level of (dis-)pleasure, I don't recall the wolves howling as he took his lumps.

Maybe our fans bought into the media hype. Maybe the fans just want us to forego future prospect and just sign an aging vet to play out the twilight of their career for a short chance to do something big. I dunno. But cripes, it's gotta be discouraging as all hell to play for a team that gets booed the minute the team struggles. My biggest fear is the kid does finally figure it out, but when time comes for a new deal, he does like everyone before him and asks to seek greener pastures. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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(10-11-2022, 04:44 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]I'm afraid Jets made the better pick between Wilson versus Lawrence.

Will see though. Wilson looks much better than Lawrence.

of all the posts out there, this is certainly one of 'em.

Butthurt jets fans and jaded cheezsteakers are becoming the norm among our pop-up trolls lately. 
Pay no mind.

(10-12-2022, 09:50 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2022, 08:22 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]YES.

This is what I've been seeing, too. When he settles in, and just takes what the D gives him, we move chains. When we try to force a big play to happen, we start going off the rails. If TL is in fact forcing things out of frustration, he and Doug and Press need to have a sit-down and work through this. If they are asking him to be something he isn't, it ain't gonna work. Figure out what works, and build within that blueprint.

The other day, someone brought up Josh Allen as a project that paid off, and I couldn't help but think how their fans/coaches dealt with the development. They understood. It was gonna take time to get him familiar with a serious step up in competition. While I didn't get a weekly dose of Bills football to gauge their level of (dis-)pleasure, I don't recall the wolves howling as he took his lumps.

Maybe our fans bought into the media hype. Maybe the fans just want us to forego future prospect and just sign an aging vet to play out the twilight of their career for a short chance to do something big. I dunno. But cripes, it's gotta be discouraging as all hell to play for a team that gets booed the minute the team struggles. My biggest fear is the kid does finally figure it out, but when time comes for a new deal, he does like everyone before him and asks to seek greener pastures. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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of all the posts out there, this is certainly one of 'em.

Butthurt jets fans and jaded cheezsteakers are becoming the norm among our pop-up trolls lately. 
Pay no mind.

Thats right! You tell em champ!

It's time for us all to admit Trevor Lawrence isn't human and to bow down to our interdimensional shorts boi overlords

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(10-12-2022, 08:22 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2022, 02:33 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Coach Campo on 1010 saying he's very pleased with what he sees in TL, and says he's improved every game. The problem, he states, is TL forcing it out of frustration. He also says the frustration is borne of impatience by not just TL, but by the fanbase, and most importantly, by the coaches.

With that being said, has anyone else noticed how the running game disappears somewhere in the 2nd quarter? It makes me think Doug is forcing Lawrence to get the ball downfield.

He also stated that Troy Aikman was a three-year project before he started making strides. Coach Campo preaches patience, it will come. Good to hear from him because I trust his opinion more than just about anyone else's.

YES.

This is what I've been seeing, too. When he settles in, and just takes what the D gives him, we move chains. When we try to force a big play to happen, we start going off the rails. If TL is in fact forcing things out of frustration, he and Doug and Press need to have a sit-down and work through this. If they are asking him to be something he isn't, it ain't gonna work. Figure out what works, and build within that blueprint.

The other day, someone brought up Josh Allen as a project that paid off, and I couldn't help but think how their fans/coaches dealt with the development. They understood. It was gonna take time to get him familiar with a serious step up in competition. While I didn't get a weekly dose of Bills football to gauge their level of (dis-)pleasure, I don't recall the wolves howling as he took his lumps.

Maybe our fans bought into the media hype. Maybe the fans just want us to forego future prospect and just sign an aging vet to play out the twilight of their career for a short chance to do something big. I dunno. But cripes, it's gotta be discouraging as all hell to play for a team that gets booed the minute the team struggles. My biggest fear is the kid does finally figure it out, but when time comes for a new deal, he does like everyone before him and asks to seek greener pastures. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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(10-11-2022, 04:44 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]I'm afraid Jets made the better pick between Wilson versus Lawrence.

Will see though. Wilson looks much better than Lawrence.

of all the posts out there, this is certainly one of 'em.

Josh Allen is the exception, not the rule when it comes to development

(10-12-2022, 11:12 AM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2022, 09:50 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Butthurt jets fans and jaded cheezsteakers are becoming the norm among our pop-up trolls lately. 
Pay no mind.

Thats right! You tell em champ!

It's time for us all to admit Trevor Lawrence isn't human and to bow down to our interdimensional shorts boi overlords

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(10-12-2022, 08:22 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]YES.

This is what I've been seeing, too. When he settles in, and just takes what the D gives him, we move chains. When we try to force a big play to happen, we start going off the rails. If TL is in fact forcing things out of frustration, he and Doug and Press need to have a sit-down and work through this. If they are asking him to be something he isn't, it ain't gonna work. Figure out what works, and build within that blueprint.

The other day, someone brought up Josh Allen as a project that paid off, and I couldn't help but think how their fans/coaches dealt with the development. They understood. It was gonna take time to get him familiar with a serious step up in competition. While I didn't get a weekly dose of Bills football to gauge their level of (dis-)pleasure, I don't recall the wolves howling as he took his lumps.

Maybe our fans bought into the media hype. Maybe the fans just want us to forego future prospect and just sign an aging vet to play out the twilight of their career for a short chance to do something big. I dunno. But cripes, it's gotta be discouraging as all hell to play for a team that gets booed the minute the team struggles. My biggest fear is the kid does finally figure it out, but when time comes for a new deal, he does like everyone before him and asks to seek greener pastures. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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of all the posts out there, this is certainly one of 'em.

Josh Allen is the exception, not the rule when it comes to development

I'll take things a troll would say for $400 please.

(10-12-2022, 11:12 AM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2022, 09:50 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Butthurt jets fans and jaded cheezsteakers are becoming the norm among our pop-up trolls lately. 
Pay no mind.

Thats right! You tell em champ!

It's time for us all to admit Trevor Lawrence isn't human and to bow down to our interdimensional shorts boi overlords

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Hey, whatever floats your boat. 
I'm not here to judge your personal life. 


So far, 90% of the Zach Wilson > Lawrence pushers around here have been j-e-t-s-f-a-n-b-o-y-s , and you seem no different. 
Please excuse the assumption if inaccurate.

He will be fine. This will be another win against a divisional rival. Making the team 2-1 in the AFC South. There were many starters throughout the years who struggled with inconsistency through their first and second seasons. This isn't to compare Trevor to HOF QBs or such. A lot of factors play into it: Line protection, coaching, QB physical talent, strength of running game, receivers/tight end talent, etc. Trevor did not have much of that last season under Meyer. He is in a better situation right now with what he has to work with. He just has to piece it together along the way. He will.

On a side note: Anyone can look up Terry Bradshaw's rookie season. And people would tell you that you were insane if you told them that after that rookie season he had, that he would have been a huge success in his career.

So funny but it looks like only Jags fans are worried about Trevor. A lot of QB gurus and analysts seem to think he will be just fine. Coulda fooled me! I was under the impression we needed to trade for a vet and then use our first next year on a QB!