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I wont give up on him this year, but if he looks like this the rest of the year and we have a top 5 pick.. you gotta look at replacements. Assuming he remains this bad the rest of the year.

(10-09-2022, 07:05 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 07:03 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The defense held them to 13 points.  The defense gave the ball back to the offense at the end to tie it and couldn't.  It's comical to put this on the defense.  They were the only reason this game was close.

Both points can be right.

You can’t pin this loss on the defense at all. They were pretty great for 95% of this game. At the same time, they do probably win this game if Walker doesn’t make that mistake. (They also likely win if Trevor doesn’t throw that interception in the RedZone)

This game sucked

That play by Walker was stupid but at the end of the day they only gave up 13 points.  They gave the offense so many chances and they were only able to put up 6 points, that's horrible.  The Texans have one of the worst defenses in the league and they couldn't do anything.   They have the 31st run D and we threw it twice as many times as we ran it.   Not very good

(10-09-2022, 07:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 07:05 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Both points can be right.

You can’t pin this loss on the defense at all. They were pretty great for 95% of this game. At the same time, they do probably win this game if Walker doesn’t make that mistake. (They also likely win if Trevor doesn’t throw that interception in the RedZone)

This game sucked

That play by Walker was stupid but at the end of the day they only gave up 13 points.  They gave the offense so many chances and they were only able to put up 6 points, that's horrible.  The Texans have one of the worst defenses in the league and they couldn't do anything.   They have the 31st run D and we threw it twice as many times as we ran it.   Not very good

Passing game was working on the drive he threw an interception in the redzone on. Go up 13 to 6 there and guess what? Pederson starts running the ball more I bet.

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(10-09-2022, 07:13 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 07:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]That play by Walker was stupid but at the end of the day they only gave up 13 points.  They gave the offense so many chances and they were only able to put up 6 points, that's horrible.  The Texans have one of the worst defenses in the league and they couldn't do anything.   They have the 31st run D and we threw it twice as many times as we ran it.   Not very good

Passing game was working on the drive he threw an interception in the redzone on. Go up 13 to 6 there and guess what? Pederson starts running the ball more I bet.

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What about before and after that drive?  That one play shouldn't change your play calling

This has to go down as one of the most disappointing regular season games in franchise history. There were no playoffs on the line, but rather the game exposed our initial excitement about Trevor and the team this year to appear misplaced. It will take a win next week to give us any hope back.

We need two more players to make TL great....two Receivers that are 7 feet tall.

(10-09-2022, 07:13 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 07:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]That play by Walker was stupid but at the end of the day they only gave up 13 points.  They gave the offense so many chances and they were only able to put up 6 points, that's horrible.  The Texans have one of the worst defenses in the league and they couldn't do anything.   They have the 31st run D and we threw it twice as many times as we ran it.   Not very good

Passing game was working on the drive he threw an interception in the redzone on. Go up 13 to 6 there and guess what? Pederson starts running the ball more I bet.

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That drive was basically run, then pass, then run, then pass etc. ETN carried it 4 times on that drive for 10 yards. Lawrence ran once for 6 yards and threw it 4 times.

Rush for 2 yards, pass for 28, rush for -1, pass for 17, scramble for 6, rush for no gain, pass for 7, rush for 9, then the INT. Worst part about the INT is that Trevor could of just tucked it and picked up the 1st down easily.

(10-09-2022, 07:22 PM)jagman Wrote: [ -> ]We need two more players to make TL great....two Receivers that are 7 feet tall.

I wonder if Victor Wembanyama will consider football?

(10-09-2022, 07:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 07:22 PM)jagman Wrote: [ -> ]We need two more players to make TL great....two Receivers that are 7 feet tall.

I wonder if Victor Wembanyama will consider football?

What a prospect he is

Freak

"Throw to score. Run to win." Those are Pederson's words and philosophy. I was pushing for the running game in this one.

However, as NYC pointed out. Doug's unrelenting in his beliefs. He was correct again today.

However, if Lawrence scores there instead of throwing the interception? The next drive is probably opened up with run, run, pass [run again if it's 3rd and short] and thus it changes the rest of the game.

I think Pederson HAS to change his approach now. Adapt or die. Lawrence has officially killed you twice in a row with the turnovers. Time to adapt towards running it until Lawrence can mentally get out of his funk.

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(10-09-2022, 07:44 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 07:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if Victor Wembanyama will consider football?

What a prospect he is

Freak

Unicorn.  A guy his size to move like that and with the shot he has is crazy.

Just out of interest, those that want us to move on from Lawrence, who would be your QB?

Do you draft someone and go through the growing pains or do you sign a FA QB? Trade for someone?

(10-09-2022, 06:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 06:22 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]The tinhorns weren’t going to convert on 3rd and 20 so the penalty was essentially a turnover.  That followed by the tinhorns driving down for the touchdown had the greatest impact on the game because of situation and time remaining.

Trevor didn’t have a good game and getting points on the drive he threw the pick in the end zone whether FG or TD could have changed things, but we were probably going to win this one in spite of his rough day had the Walker penalty and ensuing drive not happened.

The defense shouldn't have to play a perfect game for us to win.  The defense held the to 13 points and the offense couldn't do anything with it

No but the defense should be able to show up on the last drive when it matters....two games now the defense gave up game winning drives....when it's 6-6 with 3 minutes in the game regardless of what the offense did it's unexcusable to give up a touchdown.... especially against a team that sucks

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(10-09-2022, 07:03 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 07:00 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]This...and the defense still had an opportunity to stop them after and they didn't....

The defense held them to 13 points.  The defense gave the ball back to the offense at the end to tie it and couldn't.  It's comical to put this on the defense.  They were the only reason this game was close.

LMAO it was the defense that allowed them to take a touchdown lead.... seriously

(10-09-2022, 06:46 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 06:35 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]That was kind of my point. You don't rush to judgement based on extrapolating a season and then compare it to our first 5 games.  Also contributing the bills season record to the play of Allen is a faulty comparison. The bills were a much more developed and experienced team than the current jags.

The bills were 4 and 1 during those first 5 games, so they were able to win in spite of Allen being a turnover machine, not because of his high performance.

They both accounted for 8 TDs during the comparative time frame. The difference being the bills had a better overall team and weren't reliant on Allen to play well in order to win games as we currently are with TL.

Meh. Allen and Lawrence are still not the same QB though man. Physically and mentally.

This defense has kept these games close. Lawrence has put them in holes and yet to dig them out of one.

Allen has the arm and mobility that we all wish Lawrence has. He doesn't. He's more in line with Alex Smith and Matt Ryan than he is with Aaron Rodgers and Josh Allen.

I don't trust him anymore with the game on the line or the game only being in a one possession scenario. I just don't think he has it in him.

Just had to win this game today. Wind in the sails are gone for sure. Lawrence will have his mental toughness questioned now and decision making abilities.

If he has a third floundering performance in a row on Sunday? Gooood God. Watch out. People we'll be saying he's Carson Wentz 2.0.

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What are you talking about?

TL is a very athletic QB. He is as fast as Allen and put up good rushing numbers last year when they let him run the ball. Allen is 237 lbs, so of course the coaches are going to allow him more opportunities to run the ball than TL. That's just common sense.

As far as arm talent, TL has as talented of an arm as anyone in the NFL. It was his combination of athleticism and elite arm talent that got him considered a generational talent. Comparing his physically abilities to that of Ryan or Smith is farce and just a construct of your imagination and pure hyperbole.

He most certainly didn't have a mental edge over TL at the same point in their careers. There were serious questions during Allen's mistake ridden first few season as to whether he had the mental ability to play in the NFL. The only reason he may have mental edge currently is because you are comparing his mentality now as a 5 year veteran to that of a second year player. You would expect him to have a better mentality for the game with that much more experience.

The only thing Allen has on TL is 25 lbs, 3 more years of experience, and a talented team around him that could make up for his mistakes.

Doug Pederson:

"He will get better. He's gonna get better. I'm not worried about that at all. We have a lot of, uh, faith and trust in him and he can, he can definitely do the job, you know. We've seen it this season. So, you know, we've just got to keep working on it."

On the interception: "I'm just gonna tell ya, you can't do that. That deep in the red zone like that. Um, that was just unfortunate... turnover right there. You just can't do that, you know, when you're about to score."

"I keep telling the guys that a game comes down to three to five plays and you just don't know which plays they will be. You know, Trevor's interception late; [Walker's] penalty late in the game like that."

On whether he knows what he'll get from TL on game day: "I do. I do. I really do. Um, I feel comfortable and confident, you know, he's had.. he always has a good week of preparation. You know, and, and he's always in a good spot and, um, you know, so I do, I do feel good. You know, when we go out there and the way we start the game and, uh, the opener... Um, you know, it's just again, you know, uh, how we start, um and that's part of the quarterback too. You know, getting him comfortable and settled down into the game to where he can, he can get himself into a rhythm."

On whether TL is being too aggressive and not taking the short throws and check downs: "Um. Well. I mean. you know this is, uh, this was a, you know, if you're looking at the game this was a cover two game today but Houston, and, you know, they played extremely well. That's a staple of Lovie Smith and, um, their defense played it extremely well. Thare are some opportunities, you know, his check downs, but at the same time, you know, until honestly, until I got back and, and watch, watch this game it's hard, it's hard to say. So, if, uh, a couple of time we did try to check it down we dropped them, too, so, you know, there's some plays being left out on the field."

On how to help TL develop consistency: "You keep, you keep working. You don't pull back and you don't add on. You just keep working. Every single day. That's the only way you get through it. And, and we've got a lot of confidence in him and trust him and, and he's our guy and we're gonna keep working through it, working through it together. And, um, you know he'll be better, he'll be better down the road for it."



Sounds to me like a guy who has tolerance for two more bad games in him. Trade window closes in Week 8. I reckon there's a good chance we'll be picking up a journeyman QB to let TL develop.

(10-09-2022, 08:03 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]Doug Pederson:

"He will get better.  He's gonna get better.  I'm not worried about that at all.  We have a lot of, uh, faith and trust in him and he can, he can definitely do the job, you know.  We've seen it this season.  So, you know, we've just got to keep working on it."

On the interception: "I'm just gonna tell ya, you can't do that.  That deep in the red zone like that.  Um, that was just unfortunate... turnover right there.  You just can't do that, you know, when you're about to score."

"I keep telling the guys that a game comes down to three to five plays and you just don't know which plays they will be.  You know, Trevor's interception late;  [Walker's] penalty late in the game like that."

On whether he knows what he'll get from TL on game day: "I do. I do.  I really do.  Um, I feel comfortable and confident, you know, he's had.. he always has a good week of preparation.  You know, and, and he's always in a good spot and, um, you know, so I do, I do feel good.  You know, when we go out there and the way we start the game and, uh, the opener... Um, you know, it's just again, you know, uh, how we start, um and that's part of the quarterback too.  You know, getting him comfortable and settled down into the game to where he can, he can get himself into a rhythm."

On whether TL is being too aggressive and not taking the short throws and check downs: "Um.  Well.  I mean. you know this is, uh, this was a, you know, if you're looking at the game this was a cover two game today but Houston, and, you know, they played extremely well.  That's a staple of Lovie Smith and, um, their defense played it extremely well.  Thare are some opportunities, you know, his check downs, but at the same time, you know, until honestly, until I got back and, and watch, watch this game it's hard, it's hard to say.  So, if, uh, a couple of time we did try to check it down we dropped them, too, so, you know, there's some plays being left out on the field."

On how to help TL develop consistency: "You keep, you keep working.  You don't pull back and you don't add on.  You just keep working.  Every single day.  That's the only way you get through it.  And, and we've got a lot of confidence in him and trust him and, and he's our guy and we're gonna keep working through it, working through it together. And, um, you know he'll be better, he'll be better down the road for it."



Sounds to me like a guy who has tolerance for two more bad games in him.  Trade window closes in Week 8.  I reckon there's a good chance we'll be picking up a journeyman QB to let TL develop.

I doubt that we’ll pick up anyone this year. If Trevor continues to have an overall down year, then next offseason all bets are off

Good grief.

Talk of a trade window to let Trevor develop?

I may need to step away for a week if it’s gonna be like this….

(10-09-2022, 08:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Good grief.

Talk of a trade window to let Trevor develop?

I may need to step away for a week if it’s gonna be like this….

It's gonna be like this.

(10-09-2022, 08:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Good grief.

Talk of a trade window to let Trevor develop?

I may need to step away for a week if it’s gonna be like this….

I definitely am taking a break next week. But not because we need to trade for anyone. I’m goin on vacation :p

(10-09-2022, 08:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Good grief.

Talk of a trade window to let Trevor develop?

I may need to step away for a week if it’s gonna be like this….

Seriously right?