(10-10-2022, 07:44 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We need an identity, I wish we would just try to be a run first team just for 1 game to see it works. If it doesn't work, fine go back to doing whatever. I still don't see how Trevor threw these 2 picks I these last couple games to Bradbury and Stingley. How does he not see these guys, they are right there. It makes you question his vision and the way he sees the football field. I still think Trevor can figure it out but him and the coaches need to get together and fix things
Man, this so much. And the answer might even be "if who we think we are isn't working, maybe we see if we are something else"
(10-10-2022, 10:00 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]This is a competitive team.. Competitive teams lose sometimes, competitive teams win sometimes.
Dominant teams rarely lose.. This team isn't dominate, yet..
Funny, just a short few months ago, most people on this board were DYING for this team to be competitive. Now that we have it, ya'll whine like little [BLEEP].. Losses are going to happen.
Preach it.
We've won big and lost close. Last year was the polar opposite, with the bonus of all the off-field sideshow to distract from the results.
Maybe we just need another Urbz type to absorb all the angst like an everyday scapegoat.
I actually like having diverse ways to attack opponents from a game planning perspective more than I like "identity."
But - if they could solidify a few aspects on each side of the ball consistently before the bye-week it would be great.
(10-10-2022, 02:07 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 07:44 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]We need an identity, I wish we would just try to be a run first team just for 1 game to see it works. If it doesn't work, fine go back to doing whatever. I still don't see how Trevor threw these 2 picks I these last couple games to Bradbury and Stingley. How does he not see these guys, they are right there. It makes you question his vision and the way he sees the football field. I still think Trevor can figure it out but him and the coaches need to get together and fix things
Man, this so much. And the answer might even be "if who we think we are isn't working, maybe we see if we are something else"
That's why I said we need to try to run the ball more, because what we have been doing obviously isn't working
(10-10-2022, 01:21 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest concern about Lawrence is that he had the cleanest pocket he's ever going to get in the NFL during the Texans game. If you watch the game again, you'll notice that the Texans never blitzed and their front four almost never got any immediate pressure on him. In addition they played almost completely in a cover 2 scheme, with (from what I saw) no real misdirection in their zone schemes.
Trevor did hit a few throws right down the middle (a cover two weakness,) but far too often Trevor consistently locked on to one receiver (locking on gives the defense a huge edge in a zone scheme as they're staring at your head), was unable to throw any one open (an absolute MUST against a zone scheme), and threw a few errant passes that had the possibility of being intercepted. (There was a pass that would have been intercepted if the pass wasn't so far off the mark.)
Most QBs in the top half of the league would have carved up such a simple defense with all the time in the world in the pocket. Lawrence seemed to play with 'ghost' happy feet, that contributed to his sailing the ball (even on some of the completions.)
Lawrence HAS to improve his ability to read the defense pre- and post-snap (not that it was difficult in this game,) improve his ability to cycle through receivers quickly (cause it won't get easier with pressure,) and learn to throw to holes in the zone before his receivers get there.
PS. If I recall correctly, even if Walker hadn't made the stupidest play of the game by roughing the QB, I believe there was defensive holding call that was declined. So it would have been first down regardless (minus 10 yards.)
It was offsides/neutral zone infraction. Would have been 5 yards. 3rd and 15. Very unlikely the tinhorns convert as they really hadn’t been a threat for big plays all game.
Trevors accuracy this year has been horrible. It's very worrying.
(10-10-2022, 04:30 PM)Big Dougy P Wrote: [ -> ]Trevors accuracy this year has been horrible. It's very worrying.
Only with the deep routes in my opinion. In particular, from the pocket with the deep routes. When he's able to move outside the pocket, rollout, bootleg, etc. he's been fairly accurate. Especially with the underneath stuff and mid range stuff. He's a pretty damn good thrower on the run. He's done a lot of that this year where he'll get all the way out to one side of the field, set his feet and rifle it into a receiver's chest for a big play.
He just seems A LOT more comfortable running around and having to set his feet and make those bullet passes while on the move. He lacks touch and accuracy on his deep shots though. Virtually all of his deep shots are tough to get under for the receiver. I can't recall anytime I have seen him throw a deep ball 40 or more yards downfield where a receiver caught it in midstride. It's a lot of guys laying out for it or running underneath it and hitting the turf.
Not sure what it's going to take for him to eventually get that deep ball accuracy addressed though. In the meantime? He needs to be running his [BLEEP] off when there's free real estate right in front of him to compensate for this issue this year and keep the drives alive. He has legs. He needs to use them. Not sure what the hesitation is.
https://twitter.com/nate_tice/status/157...nspJNiNakw
Jump off the wagon if you want but I’m still firmly on board.
He didn’t play a great game by any means but he’s still got all the tools and skills to be elite. Just have to put it all together with Pederson. I have full confidence in both guys.
(10-10-2022, 07:50 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/nate_tice/status/157...nspJNiNakw
Jump off the wagon if you want but I’m still firmly on board.
He didn’t play a great game by any means but he’s still got all the tools and skills to be elite. Just have to put it all together with Pederson. I have full confidence in both guys.
Essentially the only question about Trevor (to the extent that there are legitimate questions) is do you think he can't be more consistently good, when being good is what we've mostly seen from him over the last 6+ games.
It's possible to believe he's already tapped out and will not get better in some ways with experience and time, but I've already seen a ton of growth from him. Like you, I'm not on the he can't get better train.
(10-10-2022, 07:50 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/nate_tice/status/157...nspJNiNakw
Jump off the wagon if you want but I’m still firmly on board.
He didn’t play a great game by any means but he’s still got all the tools and skills to be elite. Just have to put it all together with Pederson. I have full confidence in both guys.
Still netted you six points and cost you six points. This is why I like Dempsey. He called this [BLEEP] out today. Stop telling me he's going to get better. Show me. Put up or shut up.
"Look at these 3 handpicked examples I found to essentially spray a film of Poo-Pourai over 7 turnovers in 2 games."
For every great thing he shows? He shows just as many reasons to doubt him. Consistently. The question is whether or not he's going to stop playing like Sunshine Brett Favre this Sunday or show out like he did in week two and three and manage the game better.
It's aggaravating.
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(10-10-2022, 08:16 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 07:50 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/nate_tice/status/157...nspJNiNakw
Jump off the wagon if you want but I’m still firmly on board.
He didn’t play a great game by any means but he’s still got all the tools and skills to be elite. Just have to put it all together with Pederson. I have full confidence in both guys.
Still netted you six points and cost you six points. This is why I like Dempsey. He called this [BLEEP] out today. Stop telling me he's going to get better. Show me. Put up or shut up.
"Look at these 3 handpicked examples I found to essentially spray a film of Poo-Pourai over 7 turnovers in 2 games."
For every great thing he shows? He shows just as many reasons to doubt him. Consistently. The question is whether or not he's going to stop playing like Sunshine Brett Favre this Sunday or show out like he did in week two and three and manage the game better.
It's aggaravating.
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That right there is my biggest concern. He will show flashes that he's the guy and make some great throws, and then he will just Bortles it up and make me question everything. His deep ball accuracy is TERRIBLE. He stares down receivers. He forces the ball to covered receivers.
(10-10-2022, 07:50 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/nate_tice/status/157...nspJNiNakw
Jump off the wagon if you want but I’m still firmly on board.
He didn’t play a great game by any means but he’s still got all the tools and skills to be elite. Just have to put it all together with Pederson. I have full confidence in both guys.
God bless ya, but you're pissing into the wind here my friend. He's apparently Bortles.
(10-10-2022, 08:16 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 07:50 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/nate_tice/status/157...nspJNiNakw
Jump off the wagon if you want but I’m still firmly on board.
He didn’t play a great game by any means but he’s still got all the tools and skills to be elite. Just have to put it all together with Pederson. I have full confidence in both guys.
Still netted you six points and cost you six points. This is why I like Dempsey. He called this [BLEEP] out today. Stop telling me he's going to get better. Show me. Put up or shut up.
"Look at these 3 handpicked examples I found to essentially spray a film of Poo-Pourai over 7 turnovers in 2 games."
For every great thing he shows? He shows just as many reasons to doubt him. Consistently. The question is whether or not he's going to stop playing like Sunshine Brett Favre this Sunday or show out like he did in week two and three and manage the game better.
It's aggaravating.
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It certainly is aggravating.
But it’s been 5 games. 5.
This is after he played his rookie year with the worst coaching situation in NFL history (not an exaggeration).
Im willing to bet Trevor and Doug figure it out together.
(10-10-2022, 07:50 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/nate_tice/status/157...nspJNiNakw
Jump off the wagon if you want but I’m still firmly on board.
He didn’t play a great game by any means but he’s still got all the tools and skills to be elite. Just have to put it all together with Pederson. I have full confidence in both guys.
You can hand pick highlights out of almost any QBs game, it dosen't matter if he can make 3 or 4 good plays when he's got the ball 30-40 times a game. It's time to simmer down and hope for the best because as of right now it's been pretty bleek.
(10-10-2022, 09:15 PM)Big Dougy P Wrote: [ -> ] (10-10-2022, 07:50 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/nate_tice/status/157...nspJNiNakw
Jump off the wagon if you want but I’m still firmly on board.
He didn’t play a great game by any means but he’s still got all the tools and skills to be elite. Just have to put it all together with Pederson. I have full confidence in both guys.
You can hand pick highlights out of almost any QBs game, it dosen't matter if he can make 3 or 4 good plays when he's got the ball 30-40 times a game. It's time to simmer down and hope for the best because as of right now it's been pretty bleek.
Should take your own advice and step back away from the ledge.
QB-Atychiphobia is real for many Jags fans.
(10-10-2022, 09:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]QB-Atychiphobia is real for many Jags fans.
It is. Brunell, Leftwich, Garrard, Bouman, Quinn, Gabbert, Bortles, Gray, Foles, Fiedler Minshew and Lawrence.
Just a wide variety of QB play that's consistently broke the hearts of many fans. Every once in awhile you get those random years of optimism.
Lawrence could be the guy. Maybe he's just streaky. Sunshine Brett Favre is better than nothing. Two weeks of good play and wins followed by two weeks of bad games.
Will be funny as hell if he reels off two good games in a row in wins.
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(10-10-2022, 07:50 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/nate_tice/status/157...nspJNiNakw
Jump off the wagon if you want but I’m still firmly on board.
He didn’t play a great game by any means but he’s still got all the tools and skills to be elite. Just have to put it all together with Pederson. I have full confidence in both guys.
We also had 20 pass plays over 20 yards on Sunday and moved the ball down the field but that is irrelevant it seems.
This fan base has just had too many rough years and bad games immediately turn you into the last bad player we had. It's been an abusive relationship being a Jags fan and it's weird this first bump in the road and it's throw it all away. You would think we would have learnt from doing that the last 5 years.