The fumbles are fixable and can be cleaned up. Not excusing Trevor’s play today, but Doug did him no favors by not running the ball much.
He was really bad today… last week he was really good…. We need a larger sample size before we can anoint him as arrived or a díssapointment.
Weather played a role but he needed to play more like hurts today… nothing special but take care of the ball and play smart which hurts did other than the first pic on his part… I think Trevor today held on to the ball really long and left it out there with poor ball security time and time again in poor weather conditions and with a RT who was struggling… and the pick was bad bad.
Hopefully this was just an off game .
This was his first bad game this year. He played bad in bad weather conditions and much like the first loss he had an early missed opportunity that ultimately came back to bite the team in the end.
I am confident we'll get more of week two and week three Trevor Lawrence this year more than we'll get today's Trevor Lawence this year.
I think the team will make adjustments like they have done so far all year and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they end up beating the living [BLEEP] out of the tinhorns next Sunday at home.
Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
(10-02-2022, 04:36 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ]He was really bad today… last week he was really good…. We need a larger sample size before we can anoint him as arrived or a díssapointment.
Weather played a role but he needed to play more like hurts today… nothing special but take care of the ball and play smart which hurts did other than the first pic on his part… I think Trevor today held on to the ball really long and left it out there with poor ball security time and time again in poor weather conditions and with a RT who was struggling… and the pick was bad bad.
Hopefully this was just an off game .
So, factoring in everything you posted, wouldn’t it have made sense to lean on Philly’s defense with the running game while up 14? 19 carries in terrible weather conditions isn’t a smart game plan.
Should the Jags kicked the FG in the 2nd at the 34 yard line?
It would have been a hard kick. I know people said punt, but most likely that becomes a touchback.
(10-02-2022, 04:41 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2022, 04:36 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ]He was really bad today… last week he was really good…. We need a larger sample size before we can anoint him as arrived or a díssapointment.
Weather played a role but he needed to play more like hurts today… nothing special but take care of the ball and play smart which hurts did other than the first pic on his part… I think Trevor today held on to the ball really long and left it out there with poor ball security time and time again in poor weather conditions and with a RT who was struggling… and the pick was bad bad.
Hopefully this was just an off game .
So, factoring in everything you posted, wouldn’t it have made sense to lean on Philly’s defense with the running game while up 14? 19 carries in terrible weather conditions isn’t a smart game plan.
We def needed to run the ball more … I thought Robinson had something going then he just vanished… did he get hurt? Also the eagles adjusted to the bad weather clearly in the first half and mashed us… we did not….
But since we didn’t elect to do that, although we should, Trevor needed to learn from the first or second fumble and over secure the ball in the bad conditions not hang on to it and hold it out there so flimsily
Def not all his fault but he played poorly. 5 turnovers in one game is very sloppy I don’t care who you are.
But it has happened to the best of them. so unless it becomes a trend I’m not panicking.
Rough day for Lawrence.
A wet football slipped out of his hands twice in the 2nd quarter. That's what let the Eagles back in the game. We were rolling up until then.
The INT was telegraphed and bad. Soon as it left his hands I knew it was a pick. Kirk did him no favors by drifting away from the ball instead of attacking it, but none the less, Lawrence telegraphed that throw the whole way. Nice play by Bradberry in seeing it and getting it.
Taylor got flat out whipped by Reddick on Lawrence's last fumble. Great play by him, Defenders are allowed to make plays as well.
I'm a lifetime Pittsburgh Steelers follower...
His ball security was some of the worst I've seen in 40 years.
That said...some of his throws were good and I saw 3 catchable dropped passes. You guys are lucky to have a good, young and talented QB.
We'll see how he moves on from this next week.
(10-02-2022, 04:57 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a lifetime Pittsburgh Steelers follower...
His ball security was some of the worst I've seen in 40 years.
That said...some of his throws were good and I saw 3 catchable dropped passes. You guys are lucky to have a good, young and talented QB.
We'll see how he moves on from this next week.
I definitely agree on the 4th down scramble.
The botched snap was well, a botch snap. That has nothing to do with "ball security" or grip.
The strip sacks are tough because not every guy is built like Roethlisberger who can take hits like that but hold on to the ball. He still should have gotten rid of the ball sooner on both plays. Not sure what fooled him on the coverage without watching the all-22.
(10-02-2022, 04:12 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2022, 03:19 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, I’m pretty sure I’ll be laughing last. And best.
You thIn skinned numpties couldn’t engage in a reasoned discussion so you had to sort through all my posts and catch the single one I made out of frustration at your pettiness in order to ignore all the attempts I had previously made at reasoned contribution to this forum. No worries. I stand by that post too. He will bust. He doesn’t have the basic QB skills needed to excel in the NFL. Poor decision making, poor feet and as we see against the Eagles, he crumbles under the slightest mental pressure and returns to old habits.
Anyway, enjoy your little circle jerk. I’ll chuckle at your tantrums.
Literally no one gives a [BLEEP] about you or your opinions
Your reply says different.
If you hyenas had any emotional control then you would know I was pro-TL when he was drafted. I noted the criticism of him out of Clemson but expected him to develop out of them. Instead, as last season progressed it looked like he was settling into them. In the most tepid posts possible, I merely pointed out that he was making some fundamental mistakes and boy did you mob not sit well with that. No mature conversations for you. Ok, well I see how this forum works.
Keep an eye on this:
* Cannot pre-snap read the defense. He is fooled by basic stunts. When was the last time we say TL adjust the formation at the line? He only runs the play called, as it is called. Short passes work against this for a time, but DCs adjust.
* Throws late, when a receiver is already open, rather than in anticipation of the play. This is a direct contributor to drop rate since it gives DBs time to adjust and, counter intuitively in the NFL but not in D1, increases pressure on the receiver.
* Has zero pocket skills. He runs when he should stay. He stays when the blitz is on and he should dump or run.
* His fit are only set when he has an utterly clean pocket. If there’s any pressure at all he’s dancing on his toes like a ballerina and tries to make hero throws with all arm, no body.
These are FUNDAMENTAL quarterback skills in the NFL. You can adjust play calling for a while but opponents quickly learn which plays are in your range. TL must learn these skills and fast or his will be a backup by the end of next season. Judge for yourself. If you stop being emotional jackals hunting in packs any person who has a mild criticism then you won’t attract trollish behaviour. But trolls are all you get because you behave like children.
(10-02-2022, 05:01 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2022, 04:57 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a lifetime Pittsburgh Steelers follower...
His ball security was some of the worst I've seen in 40 years.
That said...some of his throws were good and I saw 3 catchable dropped passes. You guys are lucky to have a good, young and talented QB.
We'll see how he moves on from this next week.
I definitely agree on the 4th down scramble.
The botched snap was well, a botch snap. That has nothing to do with "ball security" or grip.
The strip sacks are tough because not every guy is built like Roethlisberger who can take hits like that but hold on to the ball. He still should have gotten rid of the ball sooner on both plays. Not sure what fooled him on the coverage without watching the all-22.
It wasn't even so much that he was hit on those fumbles. The defenders made the play and slapped it out of his hands both times. They targeted the ball just like they should.
(10-02-2022, 05:05 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2022, 05:01 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I definitely agree on the 4th down scramble.
The botched snap was well, a botch snap. That has nothing to do with "ball security" or grip.
The strip sacks are tough because not every guy is built like Roethlisberger who can take hits like that but hold on to the ball. He still should have gotten rid of the ball sooner on both plays. Not sure what fooled him on the coverage without watching the all-22.
It wasn't even so much that he was hit on those fumbles. The defenders made the play and slapped it out of his hands both times. They targeted the ball just like they should.
Right. Very few guys have hand strength to hold on that.
(10-02-2022, 05:05 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2022, 04:12 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]Literally no one gives a [BLEEP] about you or your opinions
Your reply says different.
If you hyenas had any emotional control then you would know I was pro-TL when he was drafted. I noted the criticism of him out of Clemson but expected him to develop out of them. Instead, as last season progressed it looked like he was settling into them. In the most tepid posts possible, I merely pointed out that he was making some fundamental mistakes and boy did you mob not sit well with that. No mature conversations for you. Ok, well I see how this forum works.
Keep an eye on this:
* Cannot pre-snap read the defense. He is fooled by basic stunts. When was the last time we say TL adjust the formation at the line? He only runs the play called, as it is called. Short passes work against this for a time, but DCs adjust.
* Throws late, when a receiver is already open, rather than in anticipation of the play. This is a direct contributor to drop rate since it gives DBs time to adjust and, counter intuitively in the NFL but not in D1, increases pressure on the receiver.
* Has zero pocket skills. He runs when he should stay. He stays when the blitz is on and he should dump or run.
* His fit are only set when he has an utterly clean pocket. If there’s any pressure at all he’s dancing on his toes like a ballerina and tries to make hero throws with all arm, no body.
These are FUNDAMENTAL quarterback skills in the NFL. You can adjust play calling for a while but opponents quickly learn which plays are in your range. TL must learn these skills and fast or his will be a backup by the end of next season. Judge for yourself. If you stop being emotional jackals hunting in packs any person who has a mild criticism then you won’t attract trollish behaviour. But trolls are all you get because you behave like children.
He is not perfect at all, but to claim he has never read a pre-snap defense correct or throw a guy open, or has zero pocket skills is just a biased interpretation. There have been plays he has done every one of those things this season and even at times last year.
Of course he is not at the level of a MVP quaterback, and inconsistent at them. But virtually all pseudo-rookie QB's are inconsistent at them.
I know he'll have some growing pains this year I just want to see more signature performances where it's clear hes the guy. 2-2 is not terrible i know before the season I honestly thought that would be pretty dang good start to the season.
(10-02-2022, 03:19 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, I’m pretty sure I’ll be laughing last. And best.
You thIn skinned numpties couldn’t engage in a reasoned discussion so you had to sort through all my posts and catch the single one I made out of frustration at your pettiness in order to ignore all the attempts I had previously made at reasoned contribution to this forum. No worries. I stand by that post too. He will bust. He doesn’t have the basic QB skills needed to excel in the NFL. Poor decision making, poor feet and as we see against the Eagles, he crumbles under the slightest mental pressure and returns to old habits.
Anyway, enjoy your little circle jerk. I’ll chuckle at your tantrums.
This post smells like whatever microwaved diarrhea smells like.
I remember when Brunell had a 5 turn over game too, his career was pretty darn good when all was said and done. So what, now what!
(10-02-2022, 05:07 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2022, 05:05 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't even so much that he was hit on those fumbles. The defenders made the play and slapped it out of his hands both times. They targeted the ball just like they should.
Right. Very few guys have hand strength to hold on that.
(10-02-2022, 05:05 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]Your reply says different.
If you hyenas had any emotional control then you would know I was pro-TL when he was drafted. I noted the criticism of him out of Clemson but expected him to develop out of them. Instead, as last season progressed it looked like he was settling into them. In the most tepid posts possible, I merely pointed out that he was making some fundamental mistakes and boy did you mob not sit well with that. No mature conversations for you. Ok, well I see how this forum works.
Keep an eye on this:
* Cannot pre-snap read the defense. He is fooled by basic stunts. When was the last time we say TL adjust the formation at the line? He only runs the play called, as it is called. Short passes work against this for a time, but DCs adjust.
* Throws late, when a receiver is already open, rather than in anticipation of the play. This is a direct contributor to drop rate since it gives DBs time to adjust and, counter intuitively in the NFL but not in D1, increases pressure on the receiver.
* Has zero pocket skills. He runs when he should stay. He stays when the blitz is on and he should dump or run.
* His fit are only set when he has an utterly clean pocket. If there’s any pressure at all he’s dancing on his toes like a ballerina and tries to make hero throws with all arm, no body.
These are FUNDAMENTAL quarterback skills in the NFL. You can adjust play calling for a while but opponents quickly learn which plays are in your range. TL must learn these skills and fast or his will be a backup by the end of next season. Judge for yourself. If you stop being emotional jackals hunting in packs any person who has a mild criticism then you won’t attract trollish behaviour. But trolls are all you get because you behave like children.
He is not perfect at all, but to claim he has never read a pre-snap defense correct or throw a guy open, or has zero pocket skills is just a biased interpretation. There have been plays he has done every one of those things this season and even at times last year.
Of course he is not at the level of a MVP quaterback, and inconsistent at them. But virtually all pseudo-rookie QB's are inconsistent at them.
He has in fact done both and even the commentators today noticed him doing it [making adjustments at the line]
(10-02-2022, 05:05 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2022, 04:12 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]Literally no one gives a [BLEEP] about you or your opinions
Your reply says different.
If you hyenas had any emotional control then you would know I was pro-TL when he was drafted. I noted the criticism of him out of Clemson but expected him to develop out of them. Instead, as last season progressed it looked like he was settling into them. In the most tepid posts possible, I merely pointed out that he was making some fundamental mistakes and boy did you mob not sit well with that. No mature conversations for you. Ok, well I see how this forum works.
Keep an eye on this:
* Cannot pre-snap read the defense. He is fooled by basic stunts. When was the last time we say TL adjust the formation at the line? He only runs the play called, as it is called. Short passes work against this for a time, but DCs adjust.
* Throws late, when a receiver is already open, rather than in anticipation of the play. This is a direct contributor to drop rate since it gives DBs time to adjust and, counter intuitively in the NFL but not in D1, increases pressure on the receiver.
* Has zero pocket skills. He runs when he should stay. He stays when the blitz is on and he should dump or run.
* His fit are only set when he has an utterly clean pocket. If there’s any pressure at all he’s dancing on his toes like a ballerina and tries to make hero throws with all arm, no body.
These are FUNDAMENTAL quarterback skills in the NFL. You can adjust play calling for a while but opponents quickly learn which plays are in your range. TL must learn these skills and fast or his will be a backup by the end of next season. Judge for yourself. If you stop being emotional jackals hunting in packs any person who has a mild criticism then you won’t attract trollish behaviour. But trolls are all you get because you behave like children.
TL;DR. [BLEEP] off and that your [BLEEP] face opinions and kick rocks [BLEEP]
(10-02-2022, 04:33 PM)GaJag Wrote: [ -> ]The fumbles are fixable and can be cleaned up. Not excusing Trevor’s play today, but Doug did him no favors by not running the ball much.
Agreed and it's not like he had an issue with it last year. As a team we had 5 lost last year.
the guy almost had like 3 intercepted the previous week, multiple times they've been dropped and he's just gotten lucky.
it catches up to him, today in a big way.
(10-02-2022, 05:05 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2022, 04:12 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]Literally no one gives a [BLEEP] about you or your opinions
Your reply says different.
If you hyenas had any emotional control then you would know I was pro-TL when he was drafted. I noted the criticism of him out of Clemson but expected him to develop out of them. Instead, as last season progressed it looked like he was settling into them. In the most tepid posts possible, I merely pointed out that he was making some fundamental mistakes and boy did you mob not sit well with that. No mature conversations for you. Ok, well I see how this forum works.
Keep an eye on this:
* Cannot pre-snap read the defense. He is fooled by basic stunts. When was the last time we say TL adjust the formation at the line? He only runs the play called, as it is called. Short passes work against this for a time, but DCs adjust.
* Throws late, when a receiver is already open, rather than in anticipation of the play. This is a direct contributor to drop rate since it gives DBs time to adjust and, counter intuitively in the NFL but not in D1, increases pressure on the receiver.
* Has zero pocket skills. He runs when he should stay. He stays when the blitz is on and he should dump or run.
* His fit are only set when he has an utterly clean pocket. If there’s any pressure at all he’s dancing on his toes like a ballerina and tries to make hero throws with all arm, no body.
These are FUNDAMENTAL quarterback skills in the NFL. You can adjust play calling for a while but opponents quickly learn which plays are in your range. TL must learn these skills and fast or his will be a backup by the end of next season. Judge for yourself. If you stop being emotional jackals hunting in packs any person who has a mild criticism then you won’t attract trollish behaviour. But trolls are all you get because you behave like children.
![[Image: 936.jpg]](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/054/069/936.jpg)
.gif "Laughing")
it's like you've never watched him play, looked up some random NFL discussions somewhere and then copied and pasted it swapping the name in it to Trevor.
You're so off base is hard to even take you seriously as a troll. Trolls need to have something in their bait that can be confused with reality.