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(10-09-2022, 09:53 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 09:47 PM)Flagler Jagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with Hays. Dismal performance by Trevor. No more excuses for Trevor. Still young in the NFL,  but he has to play like he is a starting NFL quarterback.

Cooper Rush seems to be doing just fine as a starter with FAR fewer starts under his belt.

Cooper won after throwing 100 yards today. He’s got a strong squad, and when the film catches up we will see what he is really made of.

(10-09-2022, 09:58 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 09:53 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Cooper Rush seems to be doing just fine as a starter with FAR fewer starts under his belt.

Cooper won after throwing 100 yards today. He’s got a strong squad, and when the film catches up we will see what he is really made of.

Well, strong squad or not, he's not losing the games for his team. And many before the season didn't consider Dallas a strong squad. After 4 starts, there should be plenty of tape on him, and yet, he's 4-0. Been a long time since the Jags could claim a 4 game winning streak.

(10-09-2022, 09:53 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 09:49 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]And you're missing the point... The defense gave up "the" drive.... The single most important drive!! regardless of what happened... you cannot give up a game-winning drive when the game is tied with 3 minutes left... You can't do it It's unacceptable!! You can't give up a touchdown in that situation and that's exactly what they did...and they did it in Washington too...

If the offense could put up points it wouldn't of been a game winning drive.  The only reason it was is because the offense couldn't put up points all game

I get that but not every game is going to be a high scoring game and not every game are you going to blow out the opponent.... When it's a close game or a tie game you can't give up points with 3 minutes left.... The defense has done it twice this year

(10-09-2022, 10:06 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 09:53 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If the offense could put up points it wouldn't of been a game winning drive.  The only reason it was is because the offense couldn't put up points all game

I get that but not every game is going to be a high scoring game and not every game are you going to blow out the opponent.... When it's a close game or a tie game you can't give up points with 3 minutes left.... The defense has done it twice this year

The offense shouldn't put them in that position.  The defense gave them plenty of chances.  This was one of the worst defenses in the league at home and the scored 6 points.  Have to score more points in this offensive league

(10-09-2022, 10:04 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 09:58 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Cooper won after throwing 100 yards today. He’s got a strong squad, and when the film catches up we will see what he is really made of.

Well, strong squad or not, he's not losing the games for his team.  And many before the season didn't consider Dallas a strong squad.  After 4 starts, there should be plenty of tape on him, and yet, he's 4-0.  Been a long time since the Jags could claim a 4 game winning streak.

In Washington we had a pretty good lead defense allowed them to come back.... Today tie game 6-6 only a few minutes left defense allows them to score.... They almost did it but the Walker penalty single-handedly lost a game.... I get it there's plenty of blame to go around we left a lot of points on the field...I don't agree going for 4th and two from shotgun... Trevor threw an interception in the end zone.... The receivers were dropping the ball left and right.... My point is when it comes down to it.  When the game is on the line The defense has got to make a stop.... I put this more on the defense and receivers dropping the ball then I do on Lawrence... that's just my opinion

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(10-09-2022, 10:04 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 09:58 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Cooper won after throwing 100 yards today. He’s got a strong squad, and when the film catches up we will see what he is really made of.

Well, strong squad or not, he's not losing the games for his team.  And many before the season didn't consider Dallas a strong squad.  After 4 starts, there should be plenty of tape on him, and yet, he's 4-0.  Been a long time since the Jags could claim a 4 game winning streak.

So if Cooper Rush tied up a game and the defense allowed the opponent to score a touchdown with 3 minutes left is that on Cooper Rush?

(10-09-2022, 10:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 10:06 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I get that but not every game is going to be a high scoring game and not every game are you going to blow out the opponent.... When it's a close game or a tie game you can't give up points with 3 minutes left.... The defense has done it twice this year

The offense shouldn't put them in that position.  The defense gave them plenty of chances.  This was one of the worst defenses in the league at home and the scored 6 points.  Have to score more points in this offensive league

Omg you're missing the point!!  That's literally the defenses job... The offense didn't put them in that position... And even if they did It's a moot point...sometimes games are close and the defense has to do its job.... Make it 42-42 Make it 21-21 the offense could put up all the freaking points in the world... it's a tie game you can't let the opponent go down and score... And I don't care if it's the worst defense in the league It's a divisional game they always play you tougher... And it's a week to week game anything can happen

(10-09-2022, 10:22 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 10:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The offense shouldn't put them in that position.  The defense gave them plenty of chances.  This was one of the worst defenses in the league at home and the scored 6 points.  Have to score more points in this offensive league

Omg you're missing the point!!  That's literally the defenses job... The offense didn't put them in that position... And even if they did It's a moot point...sometimes games are close and the defense has to do its job.... Make it 42-42 Make it 21-21 the offense could put up all the freaking points in the world... it's a tie game you can't let the opponent go down and score... And I don't care if it's the worst defense in the league It's a divisional game they always play you tougher... And it's a week to week game anything can happen

It wasn't even like they scored with no time left.  The offense got the ball back and had time to score with time outs at the end and couldn't

(10-09-2022, 09:26 PM)RSamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 09:23 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It's a good post really.

Sums up my thoughts exactly

Lmaoo sums up your thoughts but when I said it I was a troll ????

Look at you ?

(10-09-2022, 10:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 10:22 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Omg you're missing the point!!  That's literally the defenses job... The offense didn't put them in that position... And even if they did It's a moot point...sometimes games are close and the defense has to do its job.... Make it 42-42 Make it 21-21 the offense could put up all the freaking points in the world... it's a tie game you can't let the opponent go down and score... And I don't care if it's the worst defense in the league It's a divisional game they always play you tougher... And it's a week to week game anything can happen

It wasn't even like they scored with no time left.  The offense got the ball back and had time to score with time outs at the end and couldn't

I could also say the same thing The defense put the offense in that position.... If it wasn't for the defense the offense would be going down the field to just score three points for the win....which is way easier than having to score a touchdown to tie... Not to mention the play calling would be totally different....

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(10-09-2022, 10:36 PM)rumpleteazer Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 09:26 PM)RSamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Sums up my thoughts exactly

Lmaoo sums up your thoughts but when I said it I was a troll ????

Look at you ?

I don't agree with the post and you're still a troll so there...lol

(10-09-2022, 10:04 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 09:58 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Cooper won after throwing 100 yards today. He’s got a strong squad, and when the film catches up we will see what he is really made of.

Well, strong squad or not, he's not losing the games for his team.  And many before the season didn't consider Dallas a strong squad.  After 4 starts, there should be plenty of tape on him, and yet, he's 4-0.  Been a long time since the Jags could claim a 4 game winning streak.

Hard to lose a game when you're not asked to do much of anything but hand off the ball. Dude completed 10 passes.

(10-09-2022, 08:16 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]Texas played cover two because they didn't fear the long ball. They need to stop runs and short passes. Stack the line, let the safeties cover deep until you get burned. Didn't get burned, cover two all day. The Jags will be facing cover two from now on, until TL starts hitting deep balls and makes teams adjust.

It's a common story in the NFL. Jackpots are rare. No deep threat, no ability to read. Two seasons and then a career backup.

This. This is my concern. This is why I get frustrated when somebody compares him to Josh Allen.

Josh struggled with the deep ball early in his career. However, this is where he separated himself. His unflenching mobility, willingness and toughness to run right at a defense and take the hits to keep the drive alive.

This is something Lawrence simply lacks in his game. Sure, he's athletic. He's just not Josh Allen level athletic, and, those extra 25 pounds make a difference.

Lawrence is a passer. We see it. He's had ample opportunities to just "go" and he doesn't do it. If he doesn't start hitting those deeper passes over the middle or on the boundaries this team is going to have to play perfect nearly every game.

He lacks those explosive plays. Where, if you blink on defense? You're back in the game within 4:00 - 5:00 minutes of play on offense. Last two weeks and the opener are showing he doesn't have "it" yet.

I don't know if he'll ever have 'it". You can tell Doug is trying though. He wants this to work. I think he's learned, politically, how to word and address these situations since the perceived issues that came out of Philadelphia with the Wentz and Foles situation.

The crazy part though? Doug has the advantage here. Time is on his side more than it is for Lawrence here. Pederson got it done with Wentz and Foles. Wentz has never been the same QB without Pederson. It's interesting. Going to be an interesting year.

You can argue this play call or that play call but when the ball is in your hands? And your getting opportunities to say with your talent "Hey, I am the BMOC around here, I deserved that tag, that title, that number one overall selection". You have to deliver. Last two games? He's fumbled the bag.

I don't think he has until next year. Not if he keeps playing like this on a consistent basis.

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This defense isn't what we thought it was. As someone else said, if they're supposed to be this great defense they CAN NOT be giving up these game winning drives!

Yeah they put some pressure on the QB but my eye test is telling me they're not what we assumed. How many sacks do we have? Has Walker got a sack since week 1? For the love of God Caldwell keep Campbell facing the QB. He panics when he turns his back. And Josh Allen you're supposed to be the leader of that rush...we need you to average a sack a game!

Teams are going to run it down our throat and get Campbell in m2m coverage for big plays.

(10-09-2022, 10:58 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2022, 08:16 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]Texas played cover two because they didn't fear the long ball.  They need to stop runs and short passes.  Stack the line, let the safeties cover deep until you get burned.  Didn't get burned, cover two all day.  The Jags will be facing cover two from now on, until TL starts hitting deep balls and makes teams adjust.

It's a common story in the NFL.  Jackpots are rare.  No deep threat, no ability to read.  Two seasons and then a career backup.

This. This is my concern. This is why I get frustrated when somebody compares him to Josh Allen.

Josh struggled with the deep ball early in his career. However, this is where he separated himself. His unflenching mobility, willingness and toughness to run right at a defense and take the hits to keep the drive alive.

This is something Lawrence simply lacks in his game. Sure, he's athletic. He's just not Josh Allen level athletic, and, those extra 25 pounds make a difference.

Lawrence is a passer. We see it. He's had ample opportunities to just "go" and he doesn't do it. If he doesn't start hitting those deeper passes over the middle or on the boundaries this team is going to have to play perfect nearly every game.

He lacks those explosive plays. Where, if you blink on defense? You're back in the game within 4:00 - 5:00 minutes of play on offense. Last two weeks and the opener are showing he doesn't have "it" yet.

I don't know if he'll ever have 'it". You can tell Doug is trying though. He wants this to work. I think he's learned, politically, how to word and address these situations since the perceived issues that came out of Philadelphia with the Wentz and Foles situation.

The crazy part though? Doug has the advantage here. Time is on his side more than it is for Lawrence here. Pederson got it done with Wentz and Foles. Wentz has never been the same QB without Pederson. It's interesting. Going to be an interesting year.

You can argue this play call or that play call but when the ball is in your hands? And your getting opportunities to say with your talent "Hey, I am the BMOC around here, I deserved that tag, that title, that number one overall selection". You have to deliver. Last two games? He's fumbled the bag.

I don't think he has until next year. Not if he keeps playing like this on a consistent basis.

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Pederson will not have more time on his side than Lawrence. If we're looking at getting a new QB after the 2024 season then that means Doug failed as well. Neither one of them are going anywhere until after 2024, at the earliest.

Regardless, this is stupid talk to begin with. It's week 5. We're 2-3, not 0-5. We're the third youngest team in the league with a new staff/scheme and a freshly turned 23 year old QB. Neither of them are going anywhere for quite some time.

I have to admit, I'm starting to lose a little faith in Trevor.

It frustrating to watch. Hopefully things get back on track next game.

All you idiots cried and mocked Chris Simms when he said Zach Wilson was the best QB in the 2021 draft class and mocked me when I compared Lawrence to Sam Darnold last week.

You ? gullible fan base will really hate yourselves when you realize you literally traded away you best QB in team history (Menshew)

Zach Wilson is the best QB from the 2021 class and it’s karma imo for the clear tank Job the jags pulled to get Lawrence. Benching menshew and throwing those games after the Jets beat the browns and Rams has come back to bite this organization.

Remember all the laughing and mocking we all did at the expense of the NYJ? Well it seems like we saved the Jets from themselves by taking the worst QB from the 2021 draft class

I will never forget after the Jets tanked that game to the patriots on national TV in 2020, mike felger a popular Boston based radio host said these words that I will never forget:

“The Jets are tanking to get that Lawrence kid and the way they threw that game was disgusting but I’m telling you when teams do things like this in sports the kid will suck or get hurt, something will happen but he won’t be the player everyone thinks he will be, he’s going to suck watch “

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After hearing this it always stuck to me and after the Jets won that game I was so ecstatic but when I see the jags benching the clearly better QB and literally throw the games away down the stretch I knew this wasn’t going to be a happy ending story.

Like Sam Darnold Lawrence will always have 1-3 flash plays a game that keep him around

Meh. I have concerns, but I also see the flashes.

Last year set us back with Trevor. Everyone one expecting him to take a "second year leap" is going to be disappointed. He's started this year at the same point of his development as when he was drafted. If anything, you could say he came in this offseason WORSE than he was coming in as a rookie. Is he the "generational QB" like Manning? No. Is he a bust? No. These ups and downs are going to happen. Especially at this point of the year. The drops don't help.

I don't think people realize how much damage Urban did to Trevor. He regressed quite a bit in 21. So not only does Pederson have to UNDO that, but then develop him from there.

It is what it is. He's still the best QB we've had since Brunell and he'll be fine.

(10-10-2022, 07:28 AM)rumpleteazer Wrote: [ -> ]All you idiots cried and mocked Chris Simms when he said Zach Wilson was the best QB in the 2021 draft class and mocked me when I compared Lawrence to Sam Darnold last week.

You ? gullible fan base will really hate yourselves when you realize you literally traded away you best QB in team history (Menshew)

Zach Wilson is the best QB from the 2021 class and it’s karma imo for the clear tank Job the jags pulled to get Lawrence. Benching menshew and throwing those games after the Jets beat the browns and Rams has come back to bite this organization.

Remember all the laughing and mocking we all did at the expense of the NYJ? Well it seems like we saved the Jets from themselves by taking the worst QB from the 2021 draft class

I will never forget after the Jets tanked that game to the patriots on national TV in 2020, mike felger a popular Boston based radio host said these words that I will never forget:

“The Jets are tanking to get that Lawrence kid and the way they threw that game was disgusting but I’m telling you when teams do things like this in sports the kid will suck or get hurt, something will happen but he won’t be the player everyone thinks he will be, he’s going to suck watch “

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After hearing this it always stuck to me and after the Jets won that game I was so ecstatic but when I see the jags benching the clearly better QB and literally throw the games away down the stretch I knew this wasn’t going to be a happy ending story.

Like Sam Darnold Lawrence will always have 1-3 flash plays a game that keep him around

In your 10 posts all you have brought to the boards is " Trevor sucks".  We get it man, you think Trevor sucks

(10-10-2022, 07:35 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Meh. I have concerns, but I also see the flashes.

Last year set us back with Trevor. Everyone one expecting him to take a "second year leap" is going to be disappointed. He's started this year at the same point of his development as when he was drafted. If anything, you could say he came in this offseason WORSE than he was coming in as a rookie. Is he the "generational QB" like Manning? No. Is he a bust? No. These ups and downs are going to happen. Especially at this point of the year. The drops don't help.

It is what it is. He's still the best QB we've had since Brunell and he'll be fine.

Lmao

Literally anyone who steps on the field will eventually have “flashes”

[BLEEP] does that even mean?? 

It’s like the term “generational” lmaoooo ??

FYI: obsessing over “flashes” is what kept the Jets and Browns with Baker and Darnold for far too long

(10-10-2022, 07:39 AM)rumpleteazer Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2022, 07:35 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Meh. I have concerns, but I also see the flashes.

Last year set us back with Trevor. Everyone one expecting him to take a "second year leap" is going to be disappointed. He's started this year at the same point of his development as when he was drafted. If anything, you could say he came in this offseason WORSE than he was coming in as a rookie. Is he the "generational QB" like Manning? No. Is he a bust? No. These ups and downs are going to happen. Especially at this point of the year. The drops don't help.

It is what it is. He's still the best QB we've had since Brunell and he'll be fine.

Lmao

Literally anyone who steps on the field will eventually have “flashes”

[BLEEP] does that even mean?? 

It’s like the term “generational” lmaoooo ??

FYI: obsessing over “flashes” is what kept the Jets and Browns with Baker and Darnold for far too long

The only one obsessing here is you. Over zach wilson and trevor. Get a hobby