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Some people "im tired of waiting lets take a QB in next year's draft"

So taking a rookie QB I'd going to make us instantly better?

(10-13-2022, 05:20 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Some people "im tired of waiting lets take a QB in next year's draft"

So taking a rookie QB I'd going to make us instantly better?

That depends. Our team was still "hoping" the Bortles would turn into a good QB, so we took Fournette over Watson/Mahomes. In hindsight it's obvious.. a little bit more difficult of a choice in the moment.

(10-13-2022, 05:24 PM)Big Dougy P Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 05:20 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]Some people "im tired of waiting lets take a QB in next year's draft"

So taking a rookie QB I'd going to make us instantly better?

That depends. Our team was still "hoping" the Bortles would turn into a good QB, so we took Fournette over Watson/Mahomes. In hindsight it's obvious.. a little bit more difficult of a choice in the moment.

The problem with a front office giving up on a QB is they and the coaching staff are often tied to them, so for job security they are often compelled to make it work.  I’m not a hot taek kinda guy, but I was an early out on Bortles.  I don’t see what I saw in Bortles in Lawrence… at all.

In Bortles defense, he made up some ground with toughness and his legs, but as a passer he was never any good and when he was able to hide his deficiencies it was because the coaching staff reeled him in because they knew they couldn’t trust him to not be the reason we lost.

(10-13-2022, 12:34 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-12-2022, 07:41 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]They were. Game managers put those numbers up weekly.

See Cousins, Tannehill & Carr.

Has lawrence thrown for 4 TDs or even racked up 400 yards yet? Doubtful.

If he had, you'd just be giving us a list of crappy QBs who have accomplished those deeds.

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(10-12-2022, 09:19 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Cool. Go on and Google it yourself. You know how to use a computer.

If you can't use it in scrabble, then it's not a real word.

Well, I guess I can't use f*** in Scrabble anymore according to https://scrabble.hasbro.com/en-us/tools#dictionary.

(10-13-2022, 07:16 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 12:34 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]If he had, you'd just be giving us a list of crappy QBs who have accomplished those deeds.

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If you can't use it in scrabble, then it's not a real word.

Well, I guess I can't use f*** in Scrabble anymore according to https://scrabble.hasbro.com/en-us/tools#dictionary.

Well that [BLEEP] ruins that [BLEEP] game. I [BLEEP] have no [BLEEP] words left if I can't [BLEEP] use that [BLEEP] one.  We're [BLEEP].  [BLEEP] me.

(10-13-2022, 07:16 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 12:34 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]If he had, you'd just be giving us a list of crappy QBs who have accomplished those deeds.

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If you can't use it in scrabble, then it's not a real word.

Well, I guess I can't use f*** in Scrabble anymore according to https://scrabble.hasbro.com/en-us/tools#dictionary.

I am probably showing my age, but I can remember when the old board moderated the f*** word for toots. I think it was Dave (or evadton, wink wink) who came up with the term Butt Gas to get the point across, and I've never not used that.

...and if you remember this too, you're probably an "aged butt gas" like me.

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(10-13-2022, 07:47 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 07:16 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I guess I can't use f*** in Scrabble anymore according to https://scrabble.hasbro.com/en-us/tools#dictionary.

Well that [BLEEP] ruins that [BLEEP] game. I [BLEEP] have no [BLEEP] words left if I can't [BLEEP] use that [BLEEP] one.  We're [BLEEP].  [BLEEP] me.

Save some of that for Sunday, you don't want to empty the tank before a big game!

(10-13-2022, 07:47 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 07:16 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I guess I can't use f*** in Scrabble anymore according to https://scrabble.hasbro.com/en-us/tools#dictionary.

Well that [BLEEP] ruins that [BLEEP] game. I [BLEEP] have no [BLEEP] words left if I can't [BLEEP] use that [BLEEP] one.  We're [BLEEP].  [BLEEP] me.

Take it easy Bernie Mac.

(10-13-2022, 05:00 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 11:13 AM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]This is the 2022 season, not 2021 or the 2021 roster. This team signed a big time WR in Kirk. So it's not like Lawrence doesnt have weapons to put up big numbers..... theres plenty of other QBs in different teams with no weapons. 

Seems like its pretty much excuses for the posterboy child in this board. 

I'm fine with the statement that Lawrence is better than Bortles. (That's not who you should be comparing him too) I'm also fine with game managers, but theres a fine line that comes with that. Dont expect him to carry this team..... hopefully Pederson realizes this and makes this offense balanced.

I know how keen you are to look things up...Kirk's average depth of target is about a yard shy (10.75 over 4 yrs in AZ vs 9.5 in 39 targets in JAX), so we are throwing to him, and not just dinking and dunking.

So unless Kirk is putting up 300 a game, who else is gonna contribute to that 400? Dan Arnold? MJJ and his consistent 30-50 yards a game?

If we're dismissing 2021, you expect TLaw to have put up 400-yard games in the first 5 this season? I'd like to see how many of the so-called elites had 400-yard games in their first 22 starts.

Funny thing about that is Tua and Josh Allen are the only QBs to break 400 yards in a game this year, so just own it...  Trevor (and every other QB in the league except those two) sucks.  Nothing else to argue using those parameters

(10-14-2022, 12:33 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 05:00 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I know how keen you are to look things up...Kirk's average depth of target is about a yard shy (10.75 over 4 yrs in AZ vs 9.5 in 39 targets in JAX), so we are throwing to him, and not just dinking and dunking.

So unless Kirk is putting up 300 a game, who else is gonna contribute to that 400? Dan Arnold? MJJ and his consistent 30-50 yards a game?

If we're dismissing 2021, you expect TLaw to have put up 400-yard games in the first 5 this season? I'd like to see how many of the so-called elites had 400-yard games in their first 22 starts.

Funny thing about that is Tua and Josh Allen are the only QBs to break 400 yards in a game this year, so just own it...  Trevor (and every other QB in the league except those two) sucks.  Nothing else to argue using those parameters

Peyton had one. Week 3 of year 2
Mahomes had 2
Brady had 1
Herbert has never hit 400
Lamar has one and it was last year
Allen didn't even have a 300 yard game until year 3

Any other bad takes?

(10-11-2022, 04:44 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]I'm afraid Jets made the better pick between Wilson versus Lawrence.

Will see though. Wilson looks much better than Lawrence.

(10-14-2022, 12:00 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-13-2022, 07:16 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I guess I can't use f*** in Scrabble anymore according to https://scrabble.hasbro.com/en-us/tools#dictionary.

I am probably showing my age, but I can remember when the old board moderated the f*** word for toots. I think it was Dave (or evadton, wink wink) who came up with the term Butt Gas to get the point across, and I've never not used that.

...and if you remember this too, you're probably an "aged butt gas" like me.

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(10-13-2022, 07:47 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]Well that [BLEEP] ruins that [BLEEP] game. I [BLEEP] have no [BLEEP] words left if I can't [BLEEP] use that [BLEEP] one.  We're [BLEEP].  [BLEEP] me.

Save some of that for Sunday, you don't want to empty the tank before a big game!

From one well seasoned butt gas to another, cheers!

It has taken 5 days but I have walked back from the ledge. Trevor can lead us to multiple Super Bowls but that pick in the endzone will haunt me until my dying day. Gosh that was bad but I’ll chalk it up to young and dumb. Lord knows I have had more than my fair share of those in my time, they just weren’t aired on national TV and no one cared.

(10-14-2022, 02:05 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]It has taken 5 days but I have walked back from the ledge.  Trevor can lead us to multiple Super Bowls but that pick in the endzone will haunt me until my dying day.  Gosh that was bad but I’ll chalk it up to young and dumb.  Lord knows I have had more than my fair share of those in my time, they just weren’t aired on national TV and no one cared.

Same. Sunshine Brett Favre. I remember Favre threw a pick or two in the redzone when we played them up there one year in the cold. I think Mathis actually picked him off. It is what it is. Just give me weeks two and three about four to six more times this year in winning fashion and a mix of week one in losses and I'll be relatively content as a fan this year.

https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/15809...5QJoju-9Bg

https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/15809...5QJoju-9Bg


Ya don't say.

(10-14-2022, 02:50 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/15809...5QJoju-9Bg

https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/15809...5QJoju-9Bg


Ya don't say.

Mostly good? With six points? Give me a break. Lawrence has talent but the excuses and sugarcoating every time he has a bad game needs to stop as well. There's plenty of armchair scouts and coaches that are on twitter showing you where he also had options in those plays where he's asked to be "aggressive". 

Most play designs have a lot of variables factored in. It typically goes, deep route, bailout route, underneath route, check down route, etc. 

He missed the easy check down opportunities more than a few times in that loss. His pocket awareness has improved but he just needs to tighten up on his decision making in the red zone and he needs to be more opportunistic when the defense is giving him free real estate to pick up with his legs. 

Mostly good in a game where they only managed six points and he turned the ball over in what was obviously a soul crushing shift of momentum for the rest of the game is hilarious though. I like the kid. I want him to be successful. However, some of his zealots are a little over the top with the excuses for him. This is how spoiled little brats are created, not saying he is, it's just that, "He can do no wrong, ever, never" that pisses me off with some of the fans. 

He'll improve. He'll bounce back. Because that's what competitors do. But, for the love of God, stop sugarcoating a turd's worth of a performance. He had 47 opportunities to make plays in this game. He completed 25 of those said opportunities and none of them resulted in any TD's. 53% completion percentage. 2 INT's in total. The first one being a cardinal sin in this sport. Enough.

(10-14-2022, 03:36 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 02:50 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/15809...5QJoju-9Bg

https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/15809...5QJoju-9Bg


Ya don't say.

Mostly good? With six points? Give me a break. Lawrence has talent but the excuses and sugarcoating every time he has a bad game needs to stop as well. There's plenty of armchair scouts and coaches that are on twitter showing you where he also had options in those plays where he's asked to be "aggressive". 

Most play designs have a lot of variables factored in. It typically goes, deep route, bailout route, underneath route, check down route, etc. 

He missed the easy check down opportunities more than a few times in that loss. His pocket awareness has improved but he just needs to tighten up on his decision making in the red zone and he needs to be more opportunistic when the defense is giving him free real estate to pick up with his legs. 

Mostly good in a game where they only managed six points and he turned the ball over in what was obviously a soul crushing shift of momentum for the rest of the game is hilarious though. I like the kid. I want him to be successful. However, some of his zealots are a little over the top with the excuses for him. This is how spoiled little brats are created, not saying he is, it's just that, "He can do no wrong, ever, never" that pisses me off with some of the fans. 

He'll improve. He'll bounce back. Because that's what competitors do. But, for the love of God, stop sugarcoating a turd's worth of a performance. He had 47 opportunities to make plays in this game. He completed 25 of those said opportunities and none of them resulted in any TD's. 53% completion percentage. 2 INT's in total. The first one being a cardinal sin in this sport. Enough.

14% drop rate the past two games. I'll wait until that comes back to the mean before crucifying him for not taking a check down

(10-14-2022, 03:46 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 03:36 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Mostly good? With six points? Give me a break. Lawrence has talent but the excuses and sugarcoating every time he has a bad game needs to stop as well. There's plenty of armchair scouts and coaches that are on twitter showing you where he also had options in those plays where he's asked to be "aggressive". 

Most play designs have a lot of variables factored in. It typically goes, deep route, bailout route, underneath route, check down route, etc. 

He missed the easy check down opportunities more than a few times in that loss. His pocket awareness has improved but he just needs to tighten up on his decision making in the red zone and he needs to be more opportunistic when the defense is giving him free real estate to pick up with his legs. 

Mostly good in a game where they only managed six points and he turned the ball over in what was obviously a soul crushing shift of momentum for the rest of the game is hilarious though. I like the kid. I want him to be successful. However, some of his zealots are a little over the top with the excuses for him. This is how spoiled little brats are created, not saying he is, it's just that, "He can do no wrong, ever, never" that pisses me off with some of the fans. 

He'll improve. He'll bounce back. Because that's what competitors do. But, for the love of God, stop sugarcoating a turd's worth of a performance. He had 47 opportunities to make plays in this game. He completed 25 of those said opportunities and none of them resulted in any TD's. 53% completion percentage. 2 INT's in total. The first one being a cardinal sin in this sport. Enough.

14% drop rate the past two games. I'll wait until that comes back to the mean before crucifying him for not taking a check down

Who cares? They are ranked #4 in terms pass drops.

You know which teams of other QBs are ranked ahead?

Josh Allen's, Tua's, and Zach Wilson team.

(10-14-2022, 03:46 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 03:36 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Mostly good? With six points? Give me a break. Lawrence has talent but the excuses and sugarcoating every time he has a bad game needs to stop as well. There's plenty of armchair scouts and coaches that are on twitter showing you where he also had options in those plays where he's asked to be "aggressive". 

Most play designs have a lot of variables factored in. It typically goes, deep route, bailout route, underneath route, check down route, etc. 

He missed the easy check down opportunities more than a few times in that loss. His pocket awareness has improved but he just needs to tighten up on his decision making in the red zone and he needs to be more opportunistic when the defense is giving him free real estate to pick up with his legs. 

Mostly good in a game where they only managed six points and he turned the ball over in what was obviously a soul crushing shift of momentum for the rest of the game is hilarious though. I like the kid. I want him to be successful. However, some of his zealots are a little over the top with the excuses for him. This is how spoiled little brats are created, not saying he is, it's just that, "He can do no wrong, ever, never" that pisses me off with some of the fans. 

He'll improve. He'll bounce back. Because that's what competitors do. But, for the love of God, stop sugarcoating a turd's worth of a performance. He had 47 opportunities to make plays in this game. He completed 25 of those said opportunities and none of them resulted in any TD's. 53% completion percentage. 2 INT's in total. The first one being a cardinal sin in this sport. Enough.

14% drop rate the past two games. I'll wait until that comes back to the mean before crucifying him for not taking a check down

14% drop rate in the past two games. With the monsoon bowl game in Philadelphia being a factor in that. Yeah, we know, we heard that one too. I guess it was the receiving groups fault as well when Sunshine put the ball on the ground four times in that one? 

Again, not crucifying the kid neither. He was the man back in week two and week three. In week one in the opener he missed an easy TD pass to Etienne in the first quarter, however, Etienne returned the favor by dropping one that was a far easier pitch and catch play that should be routine at any level in this sport. 

I get it. [BLEEP] happens. Again, Lawrence had rough accuracy in that loss on Sunday and this is just something I have grown to being used to seeing out of him. It was rough accuracy early and this team stalled out offensively early like they have virtually done I think in every game this year. I don't put ALL of that on him. 

He'll get there. I am trusting the process. I just have a hard time stomaching every little excuse some of the fans concoct up every time he's clearly off or has turned the football over in close contests or missed the mark on multiple drives.

(10-14-2022, 03:52 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-14-2022, 03:46 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]14% drop rate the past two games. I'll wait until that comes back to the mean before crucifying him for not taking a check down

Who cares? They are ranked #4 in terms pass drops.

You know which teams of other QBs are ranked ahead?

Josh Allen's, Tua's, and Zach Wilson team.

Josh Allen has a drop rate of 5.2% on the season. Trevor has 8% on the season. I literally just spelled this out in the other thread.

Try again.

Theres a video on youtube of all of Lawrence plays against Houston.


Everyone points to the INT as the worst play and I disagree, it was a terrible play but I can kind of see how he might have thought it would work. The play that baffles my brains was the 4th down in which Engram ran a double move and Lawrence threw it to him with 2 texans smothering him. The issue with this play was that both MJJ and Christian Kirk were WIDE open. MJJ was past the 1st down marker alone, Kirk was maybe a yard or two from the first (but had no one near him)

Now when you combine both that int play and the 4th down I mentioned my question is, does he get tunnel vision under pressure? Because in both cases had he just surveyed the field properly, we have a different ball game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egHG9DzK0Zo

(10-14-2022, 04:29 PM)Big Dougy P Wrote: [ -> ]Theres a video on youtube of all of Lawrence plays against Houston.


Everyone points to the INT as the worst play and I disagree, it was a terrible play but I can kind of see how he might have thought it would work. The play that baffles my brains was the 4th down in which Engram ran a double move and Lawrence threw it to him with 2 texans smothering him. The issue with this play was that both MJJ and Christian Kirk were WIDE open. MJJ was past the 1st down marker alone, Kirk was maybe a yard or two from the first (but had no one near him)

Now when you combine both that int play and the 4th down I mentioned my question is, does he get tunnel vision under pressure? Because in both cases had he just surveyed the field properly, we have a different ball game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egHG9DzK0Zo

If he runs on that play or doesn't throw that INT at the minimum we're not even looking at that 4th down play to Engram that late in the game. That's why it was the worst play. The momentum immediately shifted after that. You could hear a pin drop in the stadium after that. 

Not sure about the tunnel vision under pressure. I think it's just your typical growing pains of a 2nd year NFL QB man. That's all it really boils down to. Somebody said it somewhere around here. So I wish I could give them the credit they're due but it was spot on.

For years we [BLEEP] about not having a QB that would throw it downfield or take shots and we used to bag on David Garrard to the point to where he was coined Captain Checkdown. Now, some of us, myself included, are [BLEEP] because he's NOT finding the check down and trying to actually make big plays. 

It's a hard balancing act. I think he'll find that balance as the year progresses and he grows with the current coaching staff and newly acquired positional players at WR/TE, etc.