(10-14-2022, 04:42 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2022, 04:22 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen has a drop rate of 5.2% on the season. Trevor has 8% on the season. I literally just spelled this out in the other thread.
Try again.
https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/tmleader...g&rank=232
JAX is listed at #4
They are tied for 1st with 11. Most drops in the league
(10-14-2022, 05:56 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2022, 05:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]They are tied for 1st with 11. Most drops in the league
Thank you
Buffalo passes the ball more though so a lower drop%
(10-14-2022, 06:20 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2022, 05:56 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you
Buffalo passes the ball more though so a lower drop%
Ok? Miami is ranked #16 n pass attempts, while JAX is at #14 and DEN at #18 five of these teams with the highest drops in the NFL.
(10-14-2022, 07:16 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2022, 06:20 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Buffalo passes the ball more though so a lower drop%
Ok? Miami is ranked #16 n pass attempts, while JAX is at #14 and DEN at #18 five of these teams with the highest drops in the NFL.
What are you trying to argue here? Lol. We led the league last year in drops and we are leading the league this year
(10-14-2022, 07:41 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2022, 07:16 PM)MyKids Wrote: [ -> ]Ok? Miami is ranked #16 n pass attempts, while JAX is at #14 and DEN at #18 five of these teams with the highest drops in the NFL.
What are you trying to argue here? Lol. We led the league last year in drops and we are leading the league this year
I'm not arguing anything. Just because Buffalo pass attempts were higher doesnt mean anything. A drop is a drop. JAX are also ranked top 3 in terms of % first down reception. This team has decent recievers, the QB has to step up and put more than 6 points on the board.
(10-14-2022, 09:48 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2022, 05:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]They are tied for 1st with 11. Most drops in the league
I don't buy that number one bit. We had 12 drops in the past 2 games alone. 6 drops in each.
drops are "incomplete passes where the receiver SHOULD have caught the pass with ORDINARY effort."
I guess you think all Trevor's passes should be caught. l
(10-15-2022, 03:31 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (10-14-2022, 09:48 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't buy that number one bit. We had 12 drops in the past 2 games alone. 6 drops in each.
drops are "incomplete passes where the receiver SHOULD have caught the pass with ORDINARY effort."
I guess you think all Trevor's passes should be caught. l
Tell us you don't watch the games, by actually telling us you don't watch any games LOL.
(10-15-2022, 05:33 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 03:31 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]drops are "incomplete passes where the receiver SHOULD have caught the pass with ORDINARY effort."
I guess you think all Trevor's passes should be caught. l
Tell us you don't watch the games, by actually telling us you don't watch any games LOL.
What?
The definition of a drop is what I wrote above. You don't like it because some of what you thought were drops were in fact bad throws by Trevor.
(10-15-2022, 05:42 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 05:33 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Tell us you don't watch the games, by actually telling us you don't watch any games LOL.
What?
The definition of a drop is what I wrote above. You don't like it because some of what you thought were drops were in fact bad throws by Trevor.
Entirely false.
The "definition" and reality are two entirely different things.
Again, you're just showing that you actually haven't watched the games.
Yes, Trevor missed some throws and air mailed some passes (none of which were considered drops) he should have made, but that doesn't change the fact that he made multiple throws that literally bounced off of the chest of his receivers, and/or hit them in both hands.
But I get it, In your eyes and some of the other dumb [BLEEP] around here think Trevor has to be perfect no matter what and nobody else can ever be at fault. It's never anybody's fault but Lawrence's right..
Get a grip.
(10-15-2022, 06:00 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 05:42 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]What?
The definition of a drop is what I wrote above. You don't like it because some of what you thought were drops were in fact bad throws by Trevor.
Entirely false.
The "definition" and reality are two entirely different things.
Again, you're just showing that you actually haven't watched the games.
Yes, Trevor missed some throws and air mailed some passes (none of which where considered drops) he should have made, but that doesn't change the fact that he made multiple throws that literally bounced off of the chest of his receivers, and/or hit them in both hands.
But I get it, In your eyes and some of the other dumb [BLEEP] around here think Trevor has to be perfect no matter what and nobody else can ever be at fault. It's never anybody's fault but Lawrence's right..
Get a grip.
This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time.
What we see is that you're just refusing to accept that Trevor can make mistakes.
The people that actually count the drops use the definition I quoted. End of story.
(10-15-2022, 06:14 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 06:00 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Entirely false.
The "definition" and reality are two entirely different things.
Again, you're just showing that you actually haven't watched the games.
Yes, Trevor missed some throws and air mailed some passes (none of which where considered drops) he should have made, but that doesn't change the fact that he made multiple throws that literally bounced off of the chest of his receivers, and/or hit them in both hands.
But I get it, In your eyes and some of the other dumb [BLEEP] around here think Trevor has to be perfect no matter what and nobody else can ever be at fault. It's never anybody's fault but Lawrence's right..
Get a grip.
This is the funniest thing I've read in a long time.
What we see is that you're just refusing to accept that Trevor can make mistakes.
The people that actually count the drops use the definition I quoted. End of story.
??? Refusing to accept that Trevor can make mistakes? I literally just said he missed throws and air mailed passes... Are you brain dead dude?
And who are these "people" exactly? Because I've saw it for myself, as well as plenty of numbers/stats/videos/tweets that say otherwise. Again, the definition and the reality of a play are two entirely different things.
The only end of story here is that you don't know jack [BLEEP] and you're talking out of your [BLEEP].
Something nobody mentions is that some of the drops come from Trevor throwing it 100 mph 4-5 yards down the field. I know it sounds stupid, but stand infront of me 4-5 yards and let me throw it as hard as i can and u prolly wont catch it. Now imagine an NFL QB with a much stronger arm than a normal everyday guy doing that, and you're running and you JUST turned your head around.
(10-15-2022, 06:00 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 05:42 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]What?
The definition of a drop is what I wrote above. You don't like it because some of what you thought were drops were in fact bad throws by Trevor.
Entirely false.
The "definition" and reality are two entirely different things.
Again, you're just showing that you actually haven't watched the games.
Yes, Trevor missed some throws and air mailed some passes (none of which were considered drops) he should have made, but that doesn't change the fact that he made multiple throws that literally bounced off of the chest of his receivers, and/or hit them in both hands.
But I get it, In your eyes and some of the other dumb [BLEEP] around here think Trevor has to be perfect no matter what and nobody else can ever be at fault. It's never anybody's fault but Lawrence's right..
Get a grip.
He is right and unfortunately you are incorrect.
Dropped-pass rate most certainly is a great tool for evaluating the quarterback, not his support.
For example: take a look at the top-10 quarterbacks with the highest dropped-pass rates in 2020 just two years ago:
Carson Wentz (10.7%)
Daniel Jones (9.4%)
Drew Lock (9.0%)
Andy Dalton (8.9%)
Tua Tagovailoa (8.8%)
Jimmy Garoppolo (8.7%)
Ben Roethlisberger (8.7%)
Lamar Jackson (8.3%)
Baker Mayfield (7.9%)
Sam Darnold (7.7%)
I can do a year before that and we can keep going...
So, of the 40 quarterbacks to rank top 10 in dropped-pass rate in a given season over the past four years, only five of them (12.5%) ranked among the league’s top half in passer rating. Only one (Prescott in 2019) ranked in the top 10.
For example look at Josh Allen. His dropped-pass rate has directly correlated with his performance. In both 2018 and 2019, he was not a good quarterback, ranking outside the top-25 in each of net yards per pass attempt, overall PFF grade, and adjusted completion percentage. He had the league’s third-highest dropped-pass rate in both seasons. In 2020, he made the jump to superstar status. Where did he rank in dropped-pass rate? Way down at 30th out of 41, sandwiched between Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees.
(10-15-2022, 07:02 AM)Big Dougy P Wrote: [ -> ]Something nobody mentions is that some of the drops come from Trevor throwing it 100 mph 4-5 yards down the field. I know it sounds stupid, but stand infront of me 4-5 yards and let me throw it as hard as i can and u prolly wont catch it. Now imagine an NFL QB with a much stronger arm than a normal everyday guy doing that, and you're running and you JUST turned your head around.
It's also mean an indictment of his own accuracy.
(10-15-2022, 07:02 AM)Big Dougy P Wrote: [ -> ]Something nobody mentions is that some of the drops come from Trevor throwing it 100 mph 4-5 yards down the field. I know it sounds stupid, but stand infront of me 4-5 yards and let me throw it as hard as i can and u prolly wont catch it. Now imagine an NFL QB with a much stronger arm than a normal everyday guy doing that, and you're running and you JUST turned your head around.
I see we've come back around to the, "Trevor throws too hard," part of the troll cycle.
To anyone still answering the anti-Trevor trolls in a serious way, you're better off just stopping now. These trolls aren't interested in good faith discussion about his performance, they're just here to try to make their own sad existence a little more bearable by bringing you down to their level.
(10-15-2022, 09:13 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (10-15-2022, 07:02 AM)Big Dougy P Wrote: [ -> ]Something nobody mentions is that some of the drops come from Trevor throwing it 100 mph 4-5 yards down the field. I know it sounds stupid, but stand infront of me 4-5 yards and let me throw it as hard as i can and u prolly wont catch it. Now imagine an NFL QB with a much stronger arm than a normal everyday guy doing that, and you're running and you JUST turned your head around.
I see we've come back around to the, "Trevor throws too hard," part of the troll cycle.
To anyone still answering the anti-Trevor trolls in a serious way, you're better off just stopping now. These trolls aren't interested in good faith discussion about his performance, they're just here to try to make their own sad existence a little more bearable by bringing you down to their level.
I don’t get why people are arguing with these clowns, but quite frankly I don’t get either side of the argument with people using stats to steadfastly defend him. That’s why I just stay out and watch. I’m not AS convinced that he’s going to be a stud as I once was but I’m intelligent enough to just let it play out.
The truth is nobody knows if Trevor is the Qb of the future. He has put doubt in people's mind with his lackluster play at times. I can accept that. But being all in that he is a star or bust is delusional on both sides.