(10-24-2022, 12:11 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022, 11:54 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, being 1000% serious here, you're regressing to childish levels of evaluation.
If you give a classroom full of students a test and 95% of them fail, could it be that your test is not accurately evaluating the ideal performance? You say that if we set the goal at getting better than last year, we've bleeped up already, but could it be that it's more realistic to expect a team that has failed miserably and embarrassingly for multiple consecutive seasons to not be some instantaneous reversal of their past performance?
He’s a good fan. His patience for the process is basically zero though. Not likely to receive constructive discussion coming from that stand point.
I think the main issue is we’ve done the “process” lather rinse repeat the past twenty years. So saying “just be patient we promise this time it’s for real” is like a guy who asks a girl out, she stiffs him on a date, and promises she is interested and will show up next time, and still texts the guy. Except it happens again and again and he gets stuffed. Insanity is doing the same over and over again and….
I will concede the point that yes Pederson and Trevor can still potentially be what breaks the cycle. But it’s tough to ask fans to have patience when this is our fifth or sixth rebuild in 20 years. Fool me once. We’re not the say, the Steelers, who consistently are competitive year in and out then hit the inevitable rebuild year(s) and ask the fans to be patient.
(10-24-2022, 12:19 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022, 12:11 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]He’s a good fan. His patience for the process is basically zero though. Not likely to receive constructive discussion coming from that stand point.
I think the main issue is we’ve done the “process” lather rinse repeat the past twenty years. So saying “just be patient we promise this time it’s for real” is like a guy who asks a girl out, she stiffs him on a date, and promises she is interested and will show up next time, and still texts the guy. Except it happens again and again and he gets stuffed. Insanity is doing the same over and over again and….
I will concede the point that yes Pederson and Trevor can still potentially be what breaks the cycle. But it’s tough to ask fans to have patience when this is our fifth or sixth rebuild in 20 years. Fool me once. We’re not the say, the Steelers, who consistently are competitive year in and out then hit the inevitable rebuild year(s) and ask the fans to be patient.
So you don't see that this team has already come a long ways from last year in the first 7 games? Really?
(10-24-2022, 12:28 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022, 12:19 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]I think the main issue is we’ve done the “process” lather rinse repeat the past twenty years. So saying “just be patient we promise this time it’s for real” is like a guy who asks a girl out, she stiffs him on a date, and promises she is interested and will show up next time, and still texts the guy. Except it happens again and again and he gets stuffed. Insanity is doing the same over and over again and….
I will concede the point that yes Pederson and Trevor can still potentially be what breaks the cycle. But it’s tough to ask fans to have patience when this is our fifth or sixth rebuild in 20 years. Fool me once. We’re not the say, the Steelers, who consistently are competitive year in and out then hit the inevitable rebuild year(s) and ask the fans to be patient.
So you don't see that this team has already come a long ways from last year in the first 7 games? Really?
Didn’t say that and I conceded this potentially has a different feel because of Pederson and Trevor. But either way given past history with rebuilds it’s easy to be jaded. Hell we thought we finally hit the get out rebuild jail card with 2017. And then the rug got yanked again.
(10-24-2022, 12:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022, 11:46 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]You don't start winning till you keep it close. The Loins last two losses were by a combined 47 points. Do you still think that, even if our records are eerily similiar, we're in just as desperate or hopeless a situation as they are?
Get your face out of the sports page. It's not just about the final score. It's not about stats. It's about what you see happening on the field. It about figuring out whether your expectations are too severe for the ones who are being evaluated. Understand where the blame lies. Lawrence didn't [BLEEP] this game away.
Etienne lost a fumble that certainly cost us points; the defense whiffed in the literal and figurative sense. We still have no idea how to get a yard on 4th and short. What part of any of those failures falls on the shoulders of the QB whom you and others around here are so quick to cast off as a wasted project?
[BLEEP] are you talking about miss? Lol, show me where I put all this blame on Trevor and have casted him off as a wasted project. You are talking to the wrong person
If you're in a thread devoted to the QB, my assumption is you're putting the onus of wins and losses on the QB's shoulders. You've called out others for low expectations indicating what you believe to be lack of faith in the QB's status as "the man"; the entirety of the conversation has centered around TLaw and his prospect as the future of this franchise.
Pardon me for being a bit quick on the trigger, but as I've said since before the season began (and you argued with in the past), this season isn't about Ws ad Ls for me, so long as we see Trevor looking like a franchise QB. While both this week and last ended in an L, I don't see how anyone can say it's Trevor's failings that dragged us down. That's a big reason why I take such umbrage to folks who seem to lose all hope at a loss, when in reality the present loss is absolutely nothing like the hopeless pattern of losing we've all endured for multiple seasons. If you're more optimistic than some on this thread, I'll apologize for lumping you in, but it seems like we've butted heads before about this very issue (is it better to lose by a hair or realize you've drafted the second coming of Blaine Gabbert).
I must be a weirdo. I enjoy watching games that keep me invested till the final whistle. Even if the final score doesn't end up my way, there are so many worse ways I could be spending my Sundays. Even though we lost yesterday, I was happy that we had a QB capable of getting us in position to barely lose, rather than the guy who bounced passes off his RB's feet. Seriously, I wonder if some here would just prefer TLaw to give up, demand a trade, and rid us of the emotional roller coaster that comes along with following a team that is still learning how to break the cycle of failure.
It's the Microwave Culture and it's everywhere.
I've thought about this for awhile but wanted to see TLaw into the season a bit before stating my thoughts/opinion.
Someone said last night it seems like parts of the game are still too fast for Trevor and I think that's the case too. I'm not ready to hang him out to dry yet and here's why.
Look at his first year. It was a dumpster fire of distraction and discontent. Between the Urban Meyer Decay hype leading up to the season as well as the Tim Tebow circus in preseason, that's enough to be a problem for some rookies never mind the "generational QB" hype Trevor had to endure. Then the season starts and all hell breaks loose with the coaching situation we saw and heard about from other players. Then the bar scene happened that blew up; Meyer assaults Lambo; Trevor has to take a stand as a rookie to try and protect the team. That's just the stuff we know about. Oh, and Meyer is fired and now they have an interim coach.
How much actual football did TLaw and the team actually get to learn? How much of the basic mechanics of the NFL did TLaw get to learn? We all consider this season to be ETN's first because he didn't get to play a single down last season. TLaw got to play but he and the rest of the team may as well have been in a blender being chewed up by the [BLEEP] storm around them. Now they're in a new season with new coaches and rookie and veteran players from other teams and they're all trying to figure it out and get in sync. And ALL of this is plastered all over sports and social media who are rarely friendly to the Jags.
So, yeah. I'm willing to give TLaw the benefit of the doubt this year and now that's he under a competent HC and other coaching staff we should absolutely see improvement next year. I told my husband yesterday I would have rather us started out slow or bad and improved as the season went along rather than looking so good initially only to decline as the season goes on. His Panthers are now 2-5 and somehow beat the Bucs yesterday but they still suck so he kind of gets it.
My main concern with Trevor is that he was photographed wearing capris at one point.
(10-24-2022, 01:32 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]My main concern with Trevor is that he was photographed wearing capris at one point.
He's a tall dude. Maybe his wife should have hung them to dry instead of putting them in the washer to shrink.
Ask me how I know this happens. Lol. I've done it to my own pants.
It's halfway through the man's second year and he's playing at worst, at league average level. I think next year he'll be a top 10 qb. Not everyone comes in and is justin herbert. The kid is 21 years old, sometimes it takes a little bit to be a master at your craft. Im sure most of you weren't peak performers in your careers at 23. As long as he continues to show progress, which he has, I think he will be fine.
(10-24-2022, 06:47 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/07_clay/status/15845...EQrGV1bX-Q
Be careful! You’ll be labeled a nut hugger because you’re stating facts.
This is EXACTLY why I wanted Pickens. Lloyd is fine but they could have gone Travon, Pickens, Muma and likely been the same on D
(10-24-2022, 06:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022, 06:47 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/07_clay/status/15845...EQrGV1bX-Q
Gonna assume this is on the amount of separation each of them get on average? Says league average is 2.9 yards.
Yes. Only engram is above the average.
I don’t think our receivers are bad, but it could help explain why Trevor holds the ball a bit longer sometimes. It’s either a tight fit or potential disaster if they’re not getting separation
(10-24-2022, 07:03 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022, 06:47 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/07_clay/status/15845...EQrGV1bX-Q
Be careful! You’ll be labeled a nut hugger because you’re stating facts.
This is EXACTLY why I wanted Pickens. Lloyd is fine but they could have gone Travon, Pickens, Muma and likely been the same on D
Speaking of…where is Muma even? Backup?
If he was truly generational he’d fire laser beams but with touch to these guys for tds multiple times a day open or not. Then he’d suit up on D and sack the other teams qb… ?
(10-24-2022, 07:03 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022, 06:47 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/07_clay/status/15845...EQrGV1bX-Q
Be careful! You’ll be labeled a nut hugger because you’re stating facts.
This is EXACTLY why I wanted Pickens. Lloyd is fine but they could have gone Travon, Pickens, Muma and likely been the same on D
You were banging the table for Sky Moore as well, you just wanted a WR. Hindsight 20/20 and we didn't know Muma would be there in the 3rd. I was very high on Pickens but there where red flags which is why he fell to the 2nd. On and off the field. You always go BPA. The D wouldn't be the same without Lloyd, we would be worse. Lloyd had another pick Sun but because of the penalty it got erased. Lloyd has been in the DPOY race if this defense wouldn't keep making dumb [BLEEP] penalties every single game.
(10-24-2022, 06:28 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]It's halfway through the man's second year and he's playing at worst, at league average level. I think next year he'll be a top 10 qb. Not everyone comes in and is justin herbert. The kid is 21 years old, sometimes it takes a little bit to be a master at your craft. Im sure most of you weren't peak performers in your careers at 23. As long as he continues to show progress, which he has, I think he will be fine.
Oh I get the feeling some these peaked waaaay earlier than 23.
(10-24-2022, 07:11 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022, 06:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Gonna assume this is on the amount of separation each of them get on average? Says league average is 2.9 yards.
Yes. Only engram is above the average.
I don’t think our receivers are bad, but it could help explain why Trevor holds the ball a bit longer sometimes. It’s either a tight fit or potential disaster if they’re not getting separation
(10-24-2022, 07:03 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Be careful! You’ll be labeled a nut hugger because you’re stating facts.
This is EXACTLY why I wanted Pickens. Lloyd is fine but they could have gone Travon, Pickens, Muma and likely been the same on D
Speaking of…where is Muma even? Backup?
I've seen Muma in on goal line packages, but he's mostly a Special Teamer right now.
(10-24-2022, 08:34 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2022, 07:50 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Jaguars Receivers average separation this far in the 2022 season:
Engram - 3.4
Kirk - 3.2
Zay Jones - 3.2
Marvin Jones - 2.3
(next gen stats)
what is the average?
Somewhere in the 2.7 to 2.9 range