(10-23-2022, 06:20 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 05:38 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Never said that. My point is that you better be damn sure about your QB at number one. The type of player drafted at that position should come in and immediately make a difference
But my point is that cannot be the expectation of any rookie QB anymore. So you are basically saying no QB can be drafted No. 1, and that doesn't work in today's NFL environment.
That has never been the expectation of rookie QBs. It's barely an expectation that they immediately start and many coaches would really like them to sit, but there's just too much external pressure to get them on the field. The most recent and most successful illustration of waiting is Patrick Mahomes, but people don't want to follow Andy Reid's plan because it clearly didn't work.
(10-23-2022, 05:28 PM):lol:Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 05:26 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]So you would have been okay the Jags trading out of that pick and a bevy of draft picks?
I remember having this conversation with a friend of mine before the draft. I wondered what it would have taken for me to trade out of that pick. For the hype that was on Lawrence, I expected a 3 first rounders and 3 second rounders kind of haul. I would have probably taken it.
You're on drugs.... And thank God you're not in charge of any drafting in the jags organization bawaaaha seriously
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(10-23-2022, 06:24 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 06:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I actually started a thread before that draft asking people what they would take for Lawrence. Almost to a man the posters responded that there was nothing they would take and most acted like it was a stupid thread to even start because the answer wasn't worth debating.
Because it is. You cannot expect to be able to draft a sure thing QB at No 1 ever. And if you build a 0.500 or competitive team around has-been free agents at QB, then you still end up having to trading up and guessing on prospects in the top 10, most of whom will fail.
GMs/Teams have to shoot your shot at least some times, even if they know it may or will likely fail. You cannot just keep putting it off.
My point is those people changed their tune pretty damn fast.
(10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 05:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]flsprtsgod has stated multiple times he already felt this season was over before it started. If you feel that way then you don't feel like you have a franchise QB
Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.
(10-23-2022, 05:39 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t know anymore. He may have every physical attribute on the plant but crunch time after crunch time he does tend to crumble under the pressure. It’s getting harder to defend him.
That's weird, I just saw him throw a completion that got to the 1 yard line on the game deciding play. That's not exactly crumbling in my book even if it came up short. We've been in every game this year, and that is a huge step up from last year in a relatively short timeframe.
Better than this. We will likely have one of the worst records this year as well. Is that going to be your excuse next year if we are bad? "3 years in a row, give it time" how many years do you think it takes to turn a team around? We had 2 first round picks, last year got one of the best QB prospects in the last decade aling with another 1st rounder, set a record in FA spending this year. It doesn't take years to turn a team around lol. This isn't the 80's
(10-23-2022, 06:21 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 06:11 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]I will say, I questioned it at the time because the only two games I'd seen Clemson play real-time were two of his poorer games. I kinda liked Justin Fields though, so what do I know? Anyway, a lot of people thought he was the second coming of Elway so I thought he was the only choice they really could make .
Fields is being ruined in Chicago. It is worse than what the Texans did to David Carr.
Yes, I have friends and family in Illinois who are Bears' fans and they say this although they also say Fields hasn't been a great decision maker either which sounds familiar, lol.
(10-23-2022, 05:38 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 05:26 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]So you would have been okay the Jags trading out of that pick and a bevy of draft picks?
Never said that. My point is that you better be damn sure about your QB at number one. The type of player drafted at that position should come in and immediately make a difference
He has other than last year he's made a complete difference.... Can you name another quarterback in that draft You would rather take... that you think would do better
(10-23-2022, 05:39 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 04:11 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Not really, but whiners gonna whine.
I don’t know anymore. He may have every physical attribute on the plant but crunch time after crunch time he does tend to crumble under the pressure. It’s getting harder to defend him.
Well last week he came back with a 10 minute drive to take the lead in the fourth quarter with two minutes left It was the defense that dropped the ball.... The problem is with you people is you only want to focus on the negative when it suits you
(10-23-2022, 06:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.
That's weird, I just saw him throw a completion that got to the 1 yard line on the game deciding play. That's not exactly crumbling in my book even if it came up short. We've been in every game this year, and that is a huge step up from last year in a relatively short timeframe.
Better than this. We will likely have one of the worst records this year as well. Is that going to be your excuse next year if we are bad? "3 years in a row, give it time" how many years do you think it takes to turn a team around? We had 2 first round picks, last year got one of the best QB prospects in the last decade aling with another 1st rounder, set a record in FA spending this year. It doesn't take years to turn a team around lol. This isn't the 80's
Right, so what you're saying is you don't understand how this works. I think we've established that. As for your answer, it's pretty clear that this team has already turned around, we just have some maturing to do. Again, that you miss that is evidence of your lack of understanding. I'll keep explaining it to you, maybe one day your light will come on.
(10-23-2022, 06:29 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 06:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Better than this. We will likely have one of the worst records this year as well. Is that going to be your excuse next year if we are bad? "3 years in a row, give it time" how many years do you think it takes to turn a team around? We had 2 first round picks, last year got one of the best QB prospects in the last decade aling with another 1st rounder, set a record in FA spending this year. It doesn't take years to turn a team around lol. This isn't the 80's
Right, so what you're saying is you don't understand how this works. I think we've established that. As for your answer, it's pretty clear that this team has already turned around, we just have some maturing to do. Again, that you miss that is evidence of your lack of understanding. I'll keep explaining it to you, maybe one day your light will come on.
Lmao, says the moral victory guy. Heck yeah man, we kept it close (fist bump) lol. You don't turn the corner until you start winning. The moment we start winning games consistently is when you have turned the corner. You are the same guy that gives out participation trophies with your losing mentality
(10-23-2022, 06:29 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 06:27 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Better than this. We will likely have one of the worst records this year as well. Is that going to be your excuse next year if we are bad? "3 years in a row, give it time" how many years do you think it takes to turn a team around? We had 2 first round picks, last year got one of the best QB prospects in the last decade aling with another 1st rounder, set a record in FA spending this year. It doesn't take years to turn a team around lol. This isn't the 80's
Right, so what you're saying is you don't understand how this works. I think we've established that. As for your answer, it's pretty clear that this team has already turned around, we just have some maturing to do. Again, that you miss that is evidence of your lack of understanding. I'll keep explaining it to you, maybe one day your light will come on.
Highly doubtful. He’s emotional each week. High highs and low lows.
Best defense in the league!
(10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 05:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]flsprtsgod has stated multiple times he already felt this season was over before it started. If you feel that way then you don't feel like you have a franchise QB
Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.
(10-23-2022, 05:39 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t know anymore. He may have every physical attribute on the plant but crunch time after crunch time he does tend to crumble under the pressure. It’s getting harder to defend him.
That's weird, I just saw him throw a completion that got to the 1 yard line on the game deciding play. That's not exactly crumbling in my book even if it came up short. We've been in every game this year, and that is a huge step up from last year in a relatively short timeframe.
It's not even worth wasting your breath on these people they obviously don't get the scope of things
(10-23-2022, 06:12 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.
That's weird, I just saw him throw a completion that got to the 1 yard line on the game deciding play. That's not exactly crumbling in my book even if it came up short. We've been in every game this year, and that is a huge step up from last year in a relatively short timeframe.
“He’s not clutch!”
Then proceeds to lead a game winning drive last week only to have the defense collapse. Follows it up the next week with leading a drive with no timeouts to the 1 yard line.
The Jags just can’t play a complete game at the moment. Defense has no pass rush and makes bone head mistakes WEEKLY. Offense moves the ball with ease and then hits the RedZone and turns into a pumpkin.
This....I mean seriously this!!!
(10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 05:42 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]flsprtsgod has stated multiple times he already felt this season was over before it started. If you feel that way then you don't feel like you have a franchise QB
Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.
(10-23-2022, 05:39 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t know anymore. He may have every physical attribute on the plant but crunch time after crunch time he does tend to crumble under the pressure. It’s getting harder to defend him.
That's weird, I just saw him throw a completion that got to the 1 yard line on the game deciding play. That's not exactly crumbling in my book even if it came up short. We've been in every game this year, and that is a huge step up from last year in a relatively short timeframe.
How many top 20 QB’s score in that situation? Be honest, how many what the heck moments did you observe today? We all see him sail passes, we see him lack touch in crucial situations. I’d love to be wrong but the evidence is stacking up against him. Last week we saw Ryan move his team down the field and put it in the endzone when it mattered most. I’m starting to question if we had 2 minutes on the clock whom I would rather have under center, Menshew’s moxy or Trevors’s talent.
(10-23-2022, 06:40 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.
That's weird, I just saw him throw a completion that got to the 1 yard line on the game deciding play. That's not exactly crumbling in my book even if it came up short. We've been in every game this year, and that is a huge step up from last year in a relatively short timeframe.
It's not even worth wasting your breath on these people they obviously don't get the scope of things
(10-23-2022, 06:12 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]“He’s not clutch!”
Then proceeds to lead a game winning drive last week only to have the defense collapse. Follows it up the next week with leading a drive with no timeouts to the 1 yard line.
The Jags just can’t play a complete game at the moment. Defense has no pass rush and makes bone head mistakes WEEKLY. Offense moves the ball with ease and then hits the RedZone and turns into a pumpkin.
This....I mean seriously this!!!
Oh I get it 100%. It's a process, young QB, first year coach, better than last year, keeping games close, showing improvement. 1. If your basing you team off of it just being better than last year you [BLEEP] up already and the barr is too low. 2. We should be showing improvement throughout the year not just from last year. We won 2 games in a row and now have lost 4 straight, that is not showing improvement, that's going backwards.
(10-23-2022, 06:27 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 06:21 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Fields is being ruined in Chicago. It is worse than what the Texans did to David Carr.
Yes, I have friends and family in Illinois who are Bears' fans and they say this although they also say Fields hasn't been a great decision maker either which sounds familiar, lol.
Well. He is also a project. He was never gonna walk in and dominate.
But their scheme and offense with Nagy last year, and this season have ruined his confidence and make everything hard for him.
(10-23-2022, 06:47 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 05:58 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Again, what the heck were you expecting? This was the worst team in the NFL for the past 2 and half seasons. We turned over the head coach 3 times in 18 months. We traded our 1st pick from two years ago because he was terrible and the other one is The Invisible Man. The guy the year before that is a non-factor on Sundays. We have just turned 23 year old QB. Do you really think you blink your eyes and start winning in the NFL? You can feel like you have your guy but the team hasn't arrived yet.
That's weird, I just saw him throw a completion that got to the 1 yard line on the game deciding play. That's not exactly crumbling in my book even if it came up short. We've been in every game this year, and that is a huge step up from last year in a relatively short timeframe.
How many top 20 QB’s score in that situation? Be honest, how many what the heck moments did you observe today? We all see him sail passes, we see him lack touch in crucial situations. I’d love to be wrong but the evidence is stacking up against him. Last week we saw Ryan move his team down the field and put it in the endzone when it mattered most. I’m starting to question if we had 2 minutes on the clock whom I would rather have under center, Menshew’s moxy or Trevors’s talent.
Pretty sure Trevor could dice up the Jags D on a final drive if he got the chance. Lol. Ryan looks good against horrible D…
(10-23-2022, 06:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 06:40 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]It's not even worth wasting your breath on these people they obviously don't get the scope of things
This....I mean seriously this!!!
Oh I get it 100%. It's a process, young QB, first year coach, better than last year, keeping games close, showing improvement. 1. If your basing you team off of it just being better than last year you [BLEEP] up already and the barr is too low. 2. We should be showing improvement throughout the year not just from last year. We won 2 games in a row and now have lost 4 straight, that is not showing improvement, that's going backwards.
If you have ever taught any young people or had children, you would know that improvement and learning is never that straight forward.
It’s the sailed passes that were the most concerning for me. Missed a wide open Jones for what would have been game winning points
(10-23-2022, 06:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 06:40 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]It's not even worth wasting your breath on these people they obviously don't get the scope of things
This....I mean seriously this!!!
Oh I get it 100%. It's a process, young QB, first year coach, better than last year, keeping games close, showing improvement. 1. If your basing you team off of it just being better than last year you [BLEEP] up already and the barr is too low. 2. We should be showing improvement throughout the year not just from last year. We won 2 games in a row and now have lost 4 straight, that is not showing improvement, that's going backwards.
You don't see improvement from last year bawaaaha seriously
(10-23-2022, 06:52 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 06:47 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Oh I get it 100%. It's a process, young QB, first year coach, better than last year, keeping games close, showing improvement. 1. If your basing you team off of it just being better than last year you [BLEEP] up already and the barr is too low. 2. We should be showing improvement throughout the year not just from last year. We won 2 games in a row and now have lost 4 straight, that is not showing improvement, that's going backwards.
You don't see improvement from last year bawaaaha seriously
See number 1, I didn't say that
(10-23-2022, 06:52 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]It’s the sailed passes that were the most concerning for me. Missed a wide open Jones for what would have been game winning points
It's definitely something he needs to continue to work on going forward because he's absolutely left some TDs/plays on the field, but I'd rather my QB over throw sometimes than under throw. Over throws are typically incomplete, or only where your receiver can get it. Under throws are typically INTs.
(10-23-2022, 06:50 PM)ClemsonRob Wrote: [ -> ] (10-23-2022, 06:47 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]How many top 20 QB’s score in that situation? Be honest, how many what the heck moments did you observe today? We all see him sail passes, we see him lack touch in crucial situations. I’d love to be wrong but the evidence is stacking up against him. Last week we saw Ryan move his team down the field and put it in the endzone when it mattered most. I’m starting to question if we had 2 minutes on the clock whom I would rather have under center, Menshew’s moxy or Trevors’s talent.
Pretty sure Trevor could dice up the Jags D on a final drive if he got the chance. Lol. Ryan looks good against horrible D…
I can’t argue that but at the same time until he does it; objectively you have to question it. Sure last week he drove the team down for a go ahead score but there were 10 minutes on the clock.