(10-31-2022, 01:39 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.nfl.com/news/zach-wilson-s-m...ture-as-je
Man I wish we drafted Wilson over Trevor /sarcasm
That whole first round QB class looks rough. Maybe they're just going to be that "year three" group of QB's.
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(10-31-2022, 10:24 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2022, 06:30 AM)rumpleteazer Wrote: [ -> ]Instead of assuming and accusing a newb of being a troll why don’t you just get the facts and ask a mod or site owner if this IP has had multiple banned accounts and if not, respectfully, please [BLEEP]
Good riddance CJB
(10-31-2022, 09:50 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]I need someone to explain to me how you can regress but be better in every statistical category then you were the year before.
This is my two cents but take it for what it’s worth.
Last year, Trevor had an arguably worst supporting cast on offense. Yet, I saw him make throws that were truly elite throws. Best example I can think of is the end zone throw to Chark against the cardinals. The deep throw to Marvin Jones against the Dolphins. And so on.
And in fact, we saw him make a throw like that to Zay Jones in the chargers game, on the run. A zip.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not seeing those throws lately. You can make a case for the TD to engram yesterday, and it was indeed a good one.
But I haven’t been seeing many “wow” plays that a first overall pick should be generating. I’m seeing poor decision making too. And correct me if I am wrong, but did Trevor throw an end zone picks last year?
At this point, we’re stuck with him rest of this year and possibly next. I’m hoping it gets better but I’m not convinced it will.
Eye tests are great but are easily effected by bias and unfair expectations. At the end of the day he has improved in every statistical area a QB is judged from year two to year 2. You say he had a worse cast around him yet the one category that is the same from last year is percentage of dropped passes which is the same as last year.
(10-31-2022, 09:04 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2022, 10:24 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Good riddance CJB
This is my two cents but take it for what it’s worth.
Last year, Trevor had an arguably worst supporting cast on offense. Yet, I saw him make throws that were truly elite throws. Best example I can think of is the end zone throw to Chark against the cardinals. The deep throw to Marvin Jones against the Dolphins. And so on.
And in fact, we saw him make a throw like that to Zay Jones in the chargers game, on the run. A zip.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not seeing those throws lately. You can make a case for the TD to engram yesterday, and it was indeed a good one.
But I haven’t been seeing many “wow” plays that a first overall pick should be generating. I’m seeing poor decision making too. And correct me if I am wrong, but did Trevor throw an end zone picks last year?
At this point, we’re stuck with him rest of this year and possibly next. I’m hoping it gets better but I’m not convinced it will.
Eye tests are great but are easily effected by bias and unfair expectations. At the end of the day he has improved in every statistical area a QB is judged from year two to year 2. You say he had a worse cast around him yet the one category that is the same from last year is percentage of dropped passes which is the same as last year.
At the start of the Denver game there was a stat that he's had the biggest QBR increase of any QB from last year. He's definitely improving a lot. People are still just hung up on "1st overall generational talent" not equaling instant superstar
His performance is definitely concerning. We had such high hopes.
On the other hand, this team has been very close to winning every game.
That sums up the way I feel about the situation. It seems like we're right there, on the border line of being a winning team. And if Trevor can just get better, maybe we can get over the hump.
(11-01-2022, 07:32 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (10-31-2022, 09:04 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]Eye tests are great but are easily effected by bias and unfair expectations. At the end of the day he has improved in every statistical area a QB is judged from year two to year 2. You say he had a worse cast around him yet the one category that is the same from last year is percentage of dropped passes which is the same as last year.
At the start of the Denver game there was a stat that he's had the biggest QBR increase of any QB from last year. He's definitely improving a lot. People are still just hung up on "1st overall generational talent" not equaling instant superstar
QBR doesn't equal not throwing goofy interceptions apparently
(11-01-2022, 07:48 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2022, 07:32 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]At the start of the Denver game there was a stat that he's had the biggest QBR increase of any QB from last year. He's definitely improving a lot. People are still just hung up on "1st overall generational talent" not equaling instant superstar
QBR doesn't equal not throwing goofy interceptions apparently
It also doesn't account that the guy just turned 23.... He's played in only 26 games.... And last year was a wash if not set him back.... New system third head coach New coordinators new players.... And all the stats show that he is in fact improving from last year...
(11-01-2022, 07:59 AM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2022, 07:48 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]QBR doesn't equal not throwing goofy interceptions apparently
It also doesn't account that the guy just turned 23.... He's played in only 26 games.... And last year was a wash if not set him back.... New system third head coach New coordinators new players.... And all the stats show that he is in fact improving from last year...
The problem is although he's improved rom last year he started the season much better and has regressed in the last 4 games. If his first 3 games had been the last 3 perceptions would be very different. Now he has to prove himself every time he plays.
(11-01-2022, 07:48 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2022, 07:32 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]At the start of the Denver game there was a stat that he's had the biggest QBR increase of any QB from last year. He's definitely improving a lot. People are still just hung up on "1st overall generational talent" not equaling instant superstar
QBR doesn't equal not throwing goofy interceptions apparently
Ask Bills Josh Allen. He's a master of head scratching INTs too.
Idk if Trevor will ever get to Allen's level, but their development at equal stages of their careers is similar. Allen is a top tier QB who makes "holy [BLEEP]" plays every game and also makes "[BLEEP] was that?!?" plays EVERY GAME. Allen's good just far outweighs the bad now. It didn't used to.
(11-01-2022, 08:05 AM)WYjagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2022, 07:59 AM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]It also doesn't account that the guy just turned 23.... He's played in only 26 games.... And last year was a wash if not set him back.... New system third head coach New coordinators new players.... And all the stats show that he is in fact improving from last year...
The problem is although he's improved rom last year he started the season much better and has regressed in the last 4 games. If his first 3 games had been the last 3 perceptions would be very different. Now he has to prove himself every time he plays.
The last 5. If his last 5 were his first 5, and his first 3 were his last 3 then we could be excited and say he is improving. He's regressing like you said and not learning from his mistakes. Hopefully he can have a good game against a bad Raiders secondary who hasn't won a road game and are going across country
(11-01-2022, 08:05 AM)WYjagsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2022, 07:59 AM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]It also doesn't account that the guy just turned 23.... He's played in only 26 games.... And last year was a wash if not set him back.... New system third head coach New coordinators new players.... And all the stats show that he is in fact improving from last year...
The problem is although he's improved rom last year he started the season much better and has regressed in the last 4 games. If his first 3 games had been the last 3 perceptions would be very different. Now he has to prove himself every time he plays.
You could say this about every single player on the team right now besides ETN and Campbell. The team itself is in a slump which magnifies the QBs impact. Fact is, Trevor took the lead in the 4th quarter 3 times, LATE in the 4th quarter twice, and had us going into the 4th with a lead 4 times and the defense let him down every single time. Again, no one is saying he doesn't need to play better, he absolutely does. But his perception would look much different with identical play if the defense could make a stop when it counted.
Fair point. If engram catches that ball and we go up by 14, this discussion is totally different right now. However, overall we can see that more development still needs to happen.
(11-01-2022, 08:23 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Fair point. If engram catches that ball and we go up by 14, this discussion is totally different right now. However, overall we can see that more development still needs to happen.
And absolutely no one is saying they've arrived, but some people are hyper-busy saying they've plateaued as if they've reached their max potential already.
Anyone paying attention to the Bengals dip in performance this year?
Here's a number to consider.
Bengals pass protection win rate = 47%
Jaguars pass protection win rate = 50%
Jags protection win rate is fifth worst in the league
Bengals are third worst
Each QB has 6 INTs
(Burrow has more TDs and yards, but also better receivers)
Not sure why so many are willing to look past the pressures being allowed from LT.LG and C so easily.
It's as much of a problem as Trevor's recent dip in accuracy/consistency and a contributing factor to it.
(11-01-2022, 10:37 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone paying attention to the Bengals dip in performance this year?
Here's a number to consider.
Bengals pass protection win rate = 47%
Jaguars pass protection win rate = 50%
Jags protection win rate is fifth worst in the league
Bengals are third worst
Each QB has 6 INTs
(Burrow has more TDs and yards, but also better receivers)
Not sure why so many are willing to look past the pressures being allowed from LT.LG and C so easily.
It's as much of a problem as Trevor's recent dip in accuracy/consistency and a contributing factor to it.
Take a look at Burrow last night without Chase. Not good.
(11-01-2022, 10:30 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/theStevenRuiz/status...xG6GZ5FMFw
Agreed that it's the other way around. He really is playing very well 80% of the time but he's had the misfortune of falling into that 20% at some really critical times. And *so far* he doesn't seem to be reducing that 20% by much but it's still very early for the guy. Dude just turned 23.
I've been critical of him but Frangie kind of crystalized it for me yesterday when he rhetorically asked, "would you give up and trade him for a high draft pick". My immediate gut reaction was HELL no. And I still feel that way. It would be one of the most Jaguar thing ever to give up on him and then have him turn into Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes for another team in 5 years.
(11-01-2022, 10:37 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone paying attention to the Bengals dip in performance this year?
Here's a number to consider.
Bengals pass protection win rate = 47%
Jaguars pass protection win rate = 50%
Jags protection win rate is fifth worst in the league
Bengals are third worst
Each QB has 6 INTs
(Burrow has more TDs and yards, but also better receivers)
Not sure why so many are willing to look past the pressures being allowed from LT.LG and C so easily.
It's as much of a problem as Trevor's recent dip in accuracy/consistency and a contributing factor to it.
Because they cannot look beyond the surface to see anything more than "Lawrence sucks!"
(11-01-2022, 10:37 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone paying attention to the Bengals dip in performance this year?
Here's a number to consider.
Bengals pass protection win rate = 47%
Jaguars pass protection win rate = 50%
Jags protection win rate is fifth worst in the league
Bengals are third worst
Each QB has 6 INTs
(Burrow has more TDs and yards, but also better receivers)
Not sure why so many are willing to look past the pressures being allowed from LT.LG and C so easily.
It's as much of a problem as Trevor's recent dip in accuracy/consistency and a contributing factor to it.
Yeah, and didn't they spend like crazy to improve the OL?
Kind like we spent like crazy to improve the WR.
It's all educated guesswork. I wonder how miserable their fanbase is right now, esp following the high of a SB run last season.
(11-01-2022, 10:39 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2022, 10:30 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/theStevenRuiz/status...xG6GZ5FMFw
Agreed that it's the other way around. He really is playing very well 80% of the time but he's had the misfortune of falling into that 20% at some really critical times. And *so far* he doesn't seem to be reducing that 20% by much but it's still very early for the guy. Dude just turned 23.
I've been critical of him but Frangie kind of crystalized it for me yesterday when he rhetorically asked, "would you give up and trade him for a high draft pick". My immediate gut reaction was HELL no. And I still feel that way. It would be one of the most Jaguar thing ever to give up on him and then have him turn into Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes for another team in 5 years.
He made another comment that stuck with me too, it was essentially "He's 23 and younger than any other QB he's ever played against. I don't want to be the team that gives up on him and then has to play him when he's 27 and has figured it all out"
Well, looks like the "Flat Earth/Lawrence Is Improving" gang is back out in force. My Lord, you guys deserve this train wreck and I hope it continues for at least a couple more seasons just so you get everything you deserve. I've never seen such commitment to a belief despite overwhelming empirical evidence to the opposite conclusion.
The reality that you are denying is that Trevor is a very nice kid who looks more and more like a true life Shleprock. He's the guy who trips on the way to the mic at commencement, who gets the Time Zones confused and is late for the big interview by an hour, and lets out a nasty fart at dinner with his girlfriend's parents. He's just a natural born loser. And don't dream of comparing him to the guy we dumped to draft him. Not only are the stats wildly disproportionate, but anybody with a brain firing on at least one cylinder can see the personality difference. Minshew would steal Trevor's girl, defend him from bullies in the hallway, give him noogies after Science lab and still have Lawrence following him around asking to play Dungeons and Dragons. Lawrence has the competitive drive and charisma of the wax liner inside a cereal box.
But keep on believing, guys. He's Josh Allen any day now, a Superstar right after the next three or four game ending interceptions. Just be patient and keep on denying what actually happens on the field. I mean, how could all the talent evaluators and experts be wrong?