Nice illustration. Maybe some of our offensive inconsistencies can be attributed to timing. We do have a lot of new people on the line.
(10-21-2023, 05:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Thought it might be fun to start pointing out some good play calls and the ways we ARE getting it done.
On the Jags first possession they scored a TD after giving Agnew an end around that nearly scored but he was tripped up inside the five yd line. He gained ~ 12 or 13 yards to set up ETN's run in.
The next possession - with Agnew fresh in their minds they tease the end around putting Agnew in motion but hand off to ETN instead.
Ags pulls the DB to the wrong side of the play and makes the LB on the weak side cheat a step the wrong way as well. Then Engram comes over to chop the strong side end while Robinson blocks out the LB who'd fill the gap.
Great play, great misdirection, perfect set up from prior drive and ETN gets 5 painless yards.
![[Image: etn-run.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/d118JCTP/etn-run.png)
I dig this.
This stuff works when everyone times it right and each assignment gets executed.
I think a number of these types of runs are shot down each week when a TE or OL player can't get to his guy, doesn't block well, or a defender sniffs it out instead of being baited.
I think we should absolutely be using motion more in pre snap, it's working wonders for the Dolphins.
(10-22-2023, 08:50 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2023, 05:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Thought it might be fun to start pointing out some good play calls and the ways we ARE getting it done.
On the Jags first possession they scored a TD after giving Agnew an end around that nearly scored but he was tripped up inside the five yd line. He gained ~ 12 or 13 yards to set up ETN's run in.
The next possession - with Agnew fresh in their minds they tease the end around putting Agnew in motion but hand off to ETN instead.
Ags pulls the DB to the wrong side of the play and makes the LB on the weak side cheat a step the wrong way as well. Then Engram comes over to chop the strong side end while Robinson blocks out the LB who'd fill the gap.
Great play, great misdirection, perfect set up from prior drive and ETN gets 5 painless yards.
I dig this.
This stuff works when everyone times it right and each assignment gets executed.
I think a number of these types of runs are shot down each week when a TE or OL player can't get to his guy, doesn't block well, or a defender sniffs it out instead of being baited.
I think we should absolutely be using motion more in pre snap, it's working wonders for the Dolphins.
Saw a stat prior to thursdays game that showed us right in the mid pack of the league in pre snap motion
15th or 16th
(10-22-2023, 09:27 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 08:50 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I think we should absolutely be using motion more in pre snap, it's working wonders for the Dolphins.
Saw a stat prior to thursdays game that showed us right in the mid pack of the league in pre snap motion
15th or 16th
This was one(of the many) reason that Doug and the Eagles owner had a fallout, Jeffrey Lurie wanted Doug's offense to be more like the 49ers. I don't think Doug will ever be in the top 5 in pre snap motion.
They also used the same pre snap motion that you framed, on ETN second TD
(10-22-2023, 05:11 PM)Marcos25067 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-22-2023, 09:27 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Saw a stat prior to thursdays game that showed us right in the mid pack of the league in pre snap motion
15th or 16th
This was one(of the many) reason that Doug and the Eagles owner had a fallout, Jeffrey Lurie wanted Doug's offense to be more like the 49ers. I don't think Doug will ever be in the top 5 in pre snap motion.
They also used the same pre snap motion that you framed, on ETN second TD
Interesting. Never saw detail that about the Lurie/Pederson rift.
Personally , I think that a team that has linemen unsure of blocking assignments, a rookie TE as part of their blocking scheme who has been a mixed bag of execution, and a generally poor-performing interior OL... well... middle of the pack on the smoke and mirrors pre-snap is probably enough.
No need to over tax the guys that aren't exactly knocking their current assignments out of the park.
I think we do a good enough job of moving receivers, ends and backs pre snap enough to give Trevor the tells he needs to make some coverage assumptions/reads.
Interesting statistic of the day:
Haven't been hearing much whining from the "Press Taylor sux" crowd lately.
Five game win streak and all, LOL. I guess they have little to whine about.
But, there were some complaining early on about the Jags calling "run, run, pass" too often under Taylor.
And, as is often the case with those too quick to point fingers at the play-caller when an offense struggles to execute, they were wrong.
Here's a stat showing how infrequently the Jags start a series that way.
That they have completed that 3rd down pass and moved the chains on two-thirds of the resulting 3rd downs is impressive.
Trevor is one of four QBs that efficient in that scenario - joining Herbert, Mahomes and Stroud.
https://twitter.com/arjunmenon100/status...29661?s=20
(11-13-2023, 10:09 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/E_Dilla/status/17240...86638?s=20
Press has to... tighten up against the tacks. That's what I gather there.
Interesting. Maybe Doug says [BLEEP] it and takes over if the first few drives are bad.
Trying to get his staff over in Philadelphia cost him his job, but, we'll see.
To be fair. His offensive line with the Eagles was leaps and bounds better than the horse [BLEEP] Baalke has compiled.
Not even close. The RB room was better equally. So was the TE room. As well as the defensive front.
This team is still a long way from leaping the big two or three in the AFC. Its sad but true. We're a one and done play off team at this point if we get in.
Unless that line improves drastically.
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(11-13-2023, 11:32 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (11-13-2023, 10:09 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/E_Dilla/status/17240...86638?s=20
Press has to... tighten up against the tacks. That's what I gather there.
Interesting. Maybe Doug says [BLEEP] it and takes over if the first few drives are bad.
Trying to get his staff over in Philadelphia cost him his job, but, we'll see.
To be fair. His offensive line with the Eagles was leaps and bounds better than the horse [BLEEP] Baalke has compiled.
Not even close. The RB room was better equally. So was the TE room. As well as the defensive front.
This team is still a long way from leaping the big two or three in the AFC. Its sad but true. We're a one and done play off team at this point if we get in.
Unless that line improves drastically.
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Something has to change. A lot of us have been saying how the offense doesn't look like it did last year. And while it's true the O-Line is not as effective this year as last, it is not the O-Line alone that is to blame.
Scoring 3 points? Having sloppy execution. Not even trying to target Ridley in the first half? The offensive game planning, the schemes, when certain plays are called. Why certain plays are continued to be called even when it's clear they are not working... These are all on the OC. Press is the one calling the game and in charge of the offense. This offense looks sloppy, is ineffective in the red zone, and has no explosivity in passing plays. Everything is in the flat or on a 7-10 yard crosser.
Last year our offense looked like a legit NFL offense. We look like the same old jags this year. And yes, the O-Line is a problem. But so is the coaching. And guess what? We really can't fix the O-Line right now... But Pederson could take over the game planning and play calling right now. I'm not even saying Press Taylor is a bad OC. Heck, we will probably still win 10 games and likely make the playoffs. Press is a mediocre, average, OC. And with the talent at QB that's worth 8-10 games a year and makes us a perennial playoff contender.
But the offense that we ran last year, the game planning and play calling from last year, the rout concepts, showed we can be better than just a play off contender. Pederson can get us there. Press clearly. cannot.
3 points is just not acceptable. And to lay the blame solely on the 0-Line is ridiculous.
The bottom line is this offense has more talent than last year or at least about the same and the results are worse so far. There is something up with the play calling.
(11-13-2023, 02:26 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]The bottom line is this offense has more talent than last year or at least about the same and the results are worse so far. There is something up with the play calling.
The offensive line is worse this year. Cam is post-PEDs, Little isn't a guard, Fortner seems to have regressed, Scherff is just ok, and Harrison is a rookie who is playing hurt. Last year's group was better and they were barely average. This group is disgustingly poor. And you guys wanna blame the play caller trying to make chicken salad out of chicken [BLEEP] instead of the GM who went to the grocery store that put this group together...sensical.
(11-13-2023, 03:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-13-2023, 02:26 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]The bottom line is this offense has more talent than last year or at least about the same and the results are worse so far. There is something up with the play calling.
The offensive line is worse this year. Cam is post-PEDs, Little isn't a guard, Fortner seems to have regressed, Scherff is just ok, and Harrison is a rookie who is playing hurt. Last year's group was better and they were barely average. This group is disgustingly poor. And you guys wanna blame the play caller trying to make chicken salad out of chicken [BLEEP] instead of the GM who went to the grocery store that put this group together...sensical.
It's a soup. The chef sucks and so does the procurer of goods.
It's human nature somehow for us to seek out the cause of a problem and assign blame.
Somehow feels better to direct your anger or disappointment in one focused place.
The reality is - it's rarely that simple.
Folks here seem to hate it when they can't blame one coach or scapegoat one player for poor performances.
But we had a perfect storm of multiple players not doing what they were supposed to do on Sunday, and a few more of them just getting dominated by the man opposite them across the LOS.
https://twitter.com/ShopTalkingWigg/stat...72689?s=20
(11-13-2023, 03:55 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's human nature somehow for us to seek out the cause of a problem and assign blame.
Somehow feels better to direct your anger or disappointment in one focused place.
The reality is - it's rarely that simple.
Folks here seem to hate it when they can't blame one coach or scapegoat one player for poor performances.
But we had a perfect storm of multiple players not doing what they were supposed to do on Sunday, and a few more of them just getting dominated by the man opposite them across the LOS.
https://twitter.com/ShopTalkingWigg/stat...72689?s=20
Adding to the perfect storm, you had a 49ers team with an elite roster that had just lost 3 in a row and returned 2 of their best players.
(11-13-2023, 03:55 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's human nature somehow for us to seek out the cause of a problem and assign blame.
Somehow feels better to direct your anger or disappointment in one focused place.
The reality is - it's rarely that simple.
Folks here seem to hate it when they can't blame one coach or scapegoat one player for poor performances.
But we had a perfect storm of multiple players not doing what they were supposed to do on Sunday, and a few more of them just getting dominated by the man opposite them across the LOS.
https://twitter.com/ShopTalkingWigg/stat...72689?s=20
Yeah. Again, it's a soup. Here's the problem though. I know he's a coach. He's going to say the right things when speaking to the media. However, those same issues he's talking about? Those have been a relatively reoccurring theme, even in their six wins.
The self inflicted wounds, the turnovers, the miscues, the near misses, the lack of execution. This offense has been sloppy since week one.
Hell, if we're being honest, we saw a true glimpse of it back in the preseason when, sorry, the guy's name just keeps coming up, but, Bigsby, fumbling the [BLEEP] football inside the redzone.
He's asking us why it's taking them until the 5th series to get it going? I think the real question or better question is, "Why is it week 10 and we're still seeing this pig slop on the field?".
That starts with HIM. That starts with HIS staff. We keep seeing the same patterns over and over. We keep seeing the same group get it's [BLEEP] handed to it week in and week out. The baseline average for that group is below average at best.
So, again, what is HE doing with HIS staff to get this course corrected on offense? He's the guru. He's the guy that puts his nuts on the table and is all balls or no glory. Where is the spark coming from on offense? He needs to find that, cultivate that and make it work with Lawrence.
So far? It's been piss take after piss take with this offense in most of these games.
(11-13-2023, 03:55 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's human nature somehow for us to seek out the cause of a problem and assign blame.
Somehow feels better to direct your anger or disappointment in one focused place.
The reality is - it's rarely that simple.
Folks here seem to hate it when they can't blame one coach or scapegoat one player for poor performances.
But we had a perfect storm of multiple players not doing what they were supposed to do on Sunday, and a few more of them just getting dominated by the man opposite them across the LOS.
https://twitter.com/ShopTalkingWigg/stat...72689?s=20
This is the way a teacher grades a student.
He's clearly grading how crap the offense was doing as though he was not the one in control of it, but observing to see how well they did...
Guess who's in control? It rhymes with Stress Failure
How you can watch that video and think that Doug is the one in control of the offensive game planning, schemes, and preperation is hilarious!!!
You compare our offense looked last year and you look at this year? It's night and day difference. It's crazy how willfully blind you want to be.
EDIT: Go back and watch that video again. Dude is clearly calling out the offensive game plan, scheming, preparation, an play calling. And he was doing it in a way that was clearly an analysis of someone else's work and how well that someone did in terms of the rubric we as grading on. The OC failed on Sunday.... And Pederson was the one grading it.
(11-13-2023, 08:24 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-13-2023, 03:55 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's human nature somehow for us to seek out the cause of a problem and assign blame.
Somehow feels better to direct your anger or disappointment in one focused place.
The reality is - it's rarely that simple.
Folks here seem to hate it when they can't blame one coach or scapegoat one player for poor performances.
But we had a perfect storm of multiple players not doing what they were supposed to do on Sunday, and a few more of them just getting dominated by the man opposite them across the LOS.
https://twitter.com/ShopTalkingWigg/stat...72689?s=20
This is the way a teacher grades a student.
He's clearly grading how crap the offense was doing as though he was not the one in control of it, but observing to see how well they did...
Guess who's in control? It rhymes with Stress Failure
How you can watch that video and think that Doug is the one in control of the offensive game planning, schemes, and preperation is hilarious!!!
You compare our offense looked last year and you look at this year? It's night and day difference. It's crazy how willfully blind you want to be.
EDIT: Go back and watch that video again. Dude is clearly calling out the offensive game plan, scheming, preparation, an play calling. And he was doing it in a way that was clearly an analysis of someone else's work and how well that someone did in terms of the rubric we as grading on. The OC failed on Sunday.... And Pederson was the one grading it.
Go back and watch that video again, everything he said was about what the players failed to execute. "It's not like they weren't prepared." That's the opening line that puts it all on the 11 on the field. You want it so bad but you're just willfully blind. You simply can't see what's happening on the field because you think the guy calling plays makes them not block or catch.
(11-13-2023, 08:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Go back and watch that video again, everything he said was about what the players failed to execute. "It's not like they weren't prepared." That's the opening line that puts it all on the 11 on the field. You want it so bad but you're just willfully blind. You simply can't see what's happening on the field because you think the guy calling plays makes them not block or catch.
You are either ignoring or just overlooking the facts that the coaches are responsible for making the team successful.
I think everyone agrees that the players aren't executing. How many times have we seen these same players fail to execute the same plays? It's week 11 now and the coaches are the ones to blame for continuing to expect the players to be able to execute what they haven't been able to do in the 9 games.
If you keep shocking yourself because you keep sticking a fork in an outlet, you don't blame the outlet.
You can have the best play book in the world but if the players can't run it, it is meaningless. They have to call plays that this OL, WRs, RBs, and QB can be successful at. It's obvious and has been for weeks that this offense isn't working. So they need to do their job and rewrite the play book to be successful.
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