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(09-25-2023, 01:51 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Will Pederson finally tell us the truth in a few weeks that Press never called the plays last year?

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This, I don't believe Doug when he said Press was calling the plays in the 2nd half of last year's game.  That's when we were at our best.  I think he was just lying to the media to make is guy look better and there is nothing wrong with that.  You could tell in that 2nd half of the Chargers game Doug was getting in his bag and was calling the plays with that playsheet.  We will see in London.

The offense today:

‘Doug is calling the plays again? Well, shoot, that’s all you had to say!’

Interesting. So people went from trusting Doug to now calling him a liar.

3 weeks into the season and some of you are in mid season meltdown mode. Good on you.

While it's fair to lay blame on the feet of pretty much everyone on the offense, let's face it. There are only so many changes that can be made to turn things around.

Press Taylor getting thrown under the bus my feel icky to some. But it had to happen. This offense was predictable, unexplosive, uninspired, and basically just running the the motions. The fact that we 1st and 10 was almost always a shotgun hand off to ETN up the middle was pathetic. All we were running on our passing plays were short routes either at the LOS or a few yards past the LOS.

But Carp, our O-Line stinks. This is basically the same O-Line as last year, less Cam. Where are the roll outs to give Lawrence more time? Where are the misdirections to confuse the D. We have seen very little this year that looked anything like how we ran the offense last year. What we are doing this is just isn't working for many reasons. But we can't get rid of all our players... We can change up how we call plays though.

Press' game plan for 3 games was just bad. This is the change the will be the easiest to do and will have the fastest impact. It's about time we made the change.

(09-25-2023, 10:34 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]While it's fair to lay blame on the feet of pretty much everyone on the offense, let's face it.  There are only so many changes that can be made to turn things around.

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They could change:

throwing passes more accurately
catching the catchable passes
blocking the block-able blocks
making tackles instead of missing them
holding on to the damn football when tackled
not jumping offsides 
not lining up offsides
not biting on play-fakes and leaving receivers uncovered
not kicking short on kick-offs
not missing field goals

I'd be good with that! 

That's a pretty long list of easy "changes."

Combine that with more Pederson play calls and I think we are right back on track easily. 

I initially wrote of the Press Taylor concerns and I now see it as part of the problem, but the poor play and unforced errors by players is a much bigger problem in my opinion.

 A team that shoots itself in the foot over and over again cannot win - even given a full day of Pederson's most masterful play calling  - if they can't string together at least one half of a game without all the dumb mistakes they will continue to lose games.

(09-25-2023, 08:45 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2023, 08:32 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/brentasjax/status/17...915L-t18Xg

That's a glimmer of hope I suppose, but with SO many players making SO many mistakes, my gut says it will be up to the coaching staff to get these guys back on track. Time for a reality check in those meeting rooms. 

We saw this team go from an insanely undisciplined mess to a well oiled machine, and now back to undisciplined mess.   The miscues, penalties, and all the unforced errors in general point to coaching for me.  Perhaps they've let these players believe their own hype too much, or perhaps a few mistakes in practice aren't being taken as seriously as they once were. Don't know how the slop has found a way back in - but it has. 

Cleaning up the dumb penalties and executing most of the plays they bungled with unforced errors (dropped passes, off-target passes, busted coverages, missed tackles)  would change the scoreboard over the past two weeks tremendously.

Not discounting other issues within this org - but just this simple stuff ^ would go a LONG way toward righting this ship.

Maybe there’s something to Belichik’s disciplined, hard tail approach. Maybe don’t lean all the way into it. But frank accountability and a stern, relentless correction of every mistake.


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(09-25-2023, 10:50 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2023, 10:34 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]While it's fair to lay blame on the feet of pretty much everyone on the offense, let's face it.  There are only so many changes that can be made to turn things around.

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They could change:

throwing passes more accurately
catching the catchable passes
blocking the block-able blocks
making tackles instead of missing them
holding on to the damn football when tackled
not jumping offsides 
not lining up offsides
not biting on play-fakes and leaving receivers uncovered
throwing passes more accurately
not kicking short on kick-offs
not missing field goals

I'd be good with that! 

That's a pretty long list of easy "changes."

Combine that with more Pederson play calls and I think we are right back on track easily. 

I initially wrote of the Press Taylor concerns and I now see it as part of the problem, but the poor play and unforced errors by players is a much bigger problem in my opinion.

 A team that shoots itself in the foot over and over again cannot win - even given a full day of Pederson's most masterful play calling  - if they can't string together at least one half of a game without all the dumb mistakes they will continue to lose games.

Which validates the question Leon Searcy had about the intensity of practices. 

Is Doug soft pedaling these guys under the impression that professionalism equals hard practice? My guess is the team will be too tired to see the sights in London for the next two weeks. Of course I’m speculating, but Doug’s scowl at the presser tells me the practice climate is getting ready to change.

What ever this is. IT IS NOT THE PLAY CALLING.

(09-25-2023, 10:33 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting. So people went from trusting Doug to now calling him a liar.

3 weeks into the season and some of you are in mid season meltdown mode. Good on you.

You absolutely lie to the media at times like when you are sticking up for your coaches or players.  You can't tell the media everything.  You ever heard of coach speak?  You ever heard of smoke and mirrors?  There are sometimes you need to not tell the truth and I think Doug was trying to make Press look good by saying he was calling the plays last year when we were at our best.

(09-25-2023, 10:50 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2023, 10:34 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]While it's fair to lay blame on the feet of pretty much everyone on the offense, let's face it.  There are only so many changes that can be made to turn things around.

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They could change:

throwing passes more accurately
catching the catchable passes
blocking the block-able blocks
making tackles instead of missing them
holding on to the damn football when tackled
not jumping offsides 
not lining up offsides
not biting on play-fakes and leaving receivers uncovered
not kicking short on kick-offs
not missing field goals

I'd be good with that! 

That's a pretty long list of easy "changes."

Combine that with more Pederson play calls and I think we are right back on track easily. 

I initially wrote of the Press Taylor concerns and I now see it as part of the problem, but the poor play and unforced errors by players is a much bigger problem in my opinion.

 A team that shoots itself in the foot over and over again cannot win - even given a full day of Pederson's most masterful play calling  - if they can't string together at least one half of a game without all the dumb mistakes they will continue to lose games.

Like I said in my post that you deleted out, you can't replace all your players that aren't catching or throwing or blocking or lining off sides.  But you can fix the coach that is calling predictable plays that allow the defense to key on our weaknesses while not doing what worked so well for us last year...

Who even is press Taylor? This dude played division 3 football right?

(09-25-2023, 11:29 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2023, 10:50 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]They could change:

throwing passes more accurately
catching the catchable passes
blocking the block-able blocks
making tackles instead of missing them
holding on to the damn football when tackled
not jumping offsides 
not lining up offsides
not biting on play-fakes and leaving receivers uncovered
not kicking short on kick-offs
not missing field goals

I'd be good with that! 

That's a pretty long list of easy "changes."

Combine that with more Pederson play calls and I think we are right back on track easily. 

I initially wrote of the Press Taylor concerns and I now see it as part of the problem, but the poor play and unforced errors by players is a much bigger problem in my opinion.

 A team that shoots itself in the foot over and over again cannot win - even given a full day of Pederson's most masterful play calling  - if they can't string together at least one half of a game without all the dumb mistakes they will continue to lose games.

Like I said in my post that you deleted out, you can't replace all your players that aren't catching or throwing or blocking or lining off sides.  But you can fix the coach that is calling predictable plays that allow the defense to key on our weaknesses while not doing what worked so well for us last year...

You're missing the point

You don't need to replace those players to have them simply do their jobs - they can fix that in house by cutting down stupid mistakes.  
We have seen those players not make those mistakes in the past and they must now return to that form 

Word is - Doug is already making changes/calling plays - so there's likely no need to continue fretting over the play calling. They know what is working and what isn't at this point. That stuff is only one part of the problem and it has been reportedly addressed.

(09-25-2023, 11:35 AM)paksat Wrote: [ -> ]Who even is press Taylor? This dude played division 3 football right?

He comes from the Chip Kelly tree.

(09-25-2023, 11:37 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2023, 11:29 AM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Like I said in my post that you deleted out, you can't replace all your players that aren't catching or throwing or blocking or lining off sides.  But you can fix the coach that is calling predictable plays that allow the defense to key on our weaknesses while not doing what worked so well for us last year...

You're missing the point

You don't need to replace those players to have them simply do their jobs - they can fix that in house by cutting down stupid mistakes.  
We have seen those players not make those mistakes in the past and they must now return to that form 

Word is - Doug is already making changes/calling plays - so there's likely no need to continue fretting over the play calling. They know what is working and what isn't at this point. That stuff is only one part of the problem and it has been reportedly addressed.

Maybe we're just arguing the different sides of the same coin?  To me, the lack of execution is because Press took over the offense.  We don't know what's happening at practice.  We don't know what's happening in the film room.

All we can tell is that there is something off about this year's offense compared to last years offense.  The only thing we can really know is that last year, Pederson was much more involved in all the aspects of the offense.  This year, we're told that Press has taken over the play calling.  Is it possible he also took over the film study?  Is it possible he'd also been given more responsibility on how practice is run?

To me, this all revolves around the fact that, besides Ridley and Harrison beging added, our starting lineup is almost exactly like last year.  So what changed?  The execution.  To me, a coaching staff has a lot to do with how well a team executes things.

Last year we executed way better than we did so far this year.  What's changed?  Ridley and Harrison?  That's why the entire offense has collapsed?  Obviously not.  But, if you were to tell me that Pederson handed over the majority of the offensive decision making to Press Taylor, then it becomes obvious why we've started so sloppy.

Doug called reports he called the 2nd half false

Let the implosion begin

(09-25-2023, 12:12 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2023, 11:37 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You're missing the point

You don't need to replace those players to have them simply do their jobs - they can fix that in house by cutting down stupid mistakes.  
We have seen those players not make those mistakes in the past and they must now return to that form 

Word is - Doug is already making changes/calling plays - so there's likely no need to continue fretting over the play calling. They know what is working and what isn't at this point. That stuff is only one part of the problem and it has been reportedly addressed.

Maybe we're just arguing the different sides of the same coin?  To me, the lack of execution is because Press took over the offense.  We don't know what's happening at practice.  We don't know what's happening in the film room.

All we can tell is that there is something off about this year's offense compared to last years offense.  The only thing we can really know is that last year, Pederson was much more involved in all the aspects of the offense.  This year, we're told that Press has taken over the play calling.  Is it possible he also took over the film study?  Is it possible he'd also been given more responsibility on how practice is run?

To me, this all revolves around the fact that, besides Ridley and Harrison beging added, our starting lineup is almost exactly like last year.  So what changed?  The execution.  To me, a coaching staff has a lot to do with how well a team executes things.

Last year we executed way better than we did so far this year.  What's changed?  Ridley and Harrison?  That's why the entire offense has collapsed?  Obviously not.  But, if you were to tell me that Pederson handed over the majority of the offensive decision making to Press Taylor, then it becomes obvious why we've started so sloppy.

Press Taylor did not drop a single touchdown pass the last two games. 3 of our receivers did. There's your issue.

Press Taylor did not fumble a single carry or overthrow a single pass this season. But 39 and 16 have. There's your issue.

Press Taylor did not give up a single sack or pressure the last two games. All of our linemen have. There's your issue.

Press Taylor did not miss a sack or get stonewalled by an offensive lineman in the last two games. There's your issue.

Press Taylor did not allow a blocked field goal or return for a touchdown in the last two games. There's your issue.

Press Taylor did not blow deep coverage on a single pass the last two games. There's your issue.

What Press Taylor actually did do, make a couple bad play calls, was completely corrected this week. He ran it, went for it appropriately, kicked FGs at the right moment. Everything that was wrong in weeks 1 and 2 was done right yesterday.

The current whipping boy for all you people would be completely vindicated if the people around him would do their damn jobs. Almost like the quarterback discussion from the past two seasons, you've just picked a new target for your bellyaching.

Searcy just made a good point on the radio. He said what you see on Sunday is what was expected from the team during the week. Again, he seems to be referencing poor practice and preparation.

Just win next Sunday. We will all be up early trying to get the ESPN plus app to watch it.

(09-25-2023, 12:39 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-25-2023, 12:12 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe we're just arguing the different sides of the same coin?  To me, the lack of execution is because Press took over the offense.  We don't know what's happening at practice.  We don't know what's happening in the film room.

All we can tell is that there is something off about this year's offense compared to last years offense.  The only thing we can really know is that last year, Pederson was much more involved in all the aspects of the offense.  This year, we're told that Press has taken over the play calling.  Is it possible he also took over the film study?  Is it possible he'd also been given more responsibility on how practice is run?

To me, this all revolves around the fact that, besides Ridley and Harrison beging added, our starting lineup is almost exactly like last year.  So what changed?  The execution.  To me, a coaching staff has a lot to do with how well a team executes things.

Last year we executed way better than we did so far this year.  What's changed?  Ridley and Harrison?  That's why the entire offense has collapsed?  Obviously not.  But, if you were to tell me that Pederson handed over the majority of the offensive decision making to Press Taylor, then it becomes obvious why we've started so sloppy.

Press Taylor did not drop a single touchdown pass the last two games. 3 of our receivers did. There's your issue.

Press Taylor did not fumble a single carry or overthrow a single pass this season. But 39 and 16 have. There's your issue.

Press Taylor did not give up a single sack or pressure the last two games. All of our linemen have. There's your issue.

Press Taylor did not miss a sack or get stonewalled by an offensive lineman in the last two games. There's your issue.

Press Taylor did not allow a blocked field goal or return for a touchdown in the last two games. There's your issue.

Press Taylor did not blow deep coverage on a single pass the last two games. There's your issue.

What Press Taylor actually did do, make a couple bad play calls, was completely corrected this week. He ran it, went for it appropriately, kicked FGs at the right moment. Everything that was wrong in weeks 1 and 2 was done right yesterday.

The current whipping boy for all you people would be completely vindicated if the people around him would do their damn jobs. Almost like the quarterback discussion from the past two seasons, you've just picked a new target for your bellyaching.

Why would Doug do this then if Press play calling isn't a problem?  It was one one of the many problems!

https://x.com/MiaOBrienTV/status/1706051...63067?s=20
 

We are also last on 3rd down %.