(01-07-2024, 07:00 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2024, 06:54 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]You have 2 shots up the gut with either ETN or Tank..
No rollout necessary..
Some of this season's playcalling was just flat out too cute and they failed to execute in crucial moments.
And when the first one loses 3 yards the complaint is that they ran it up the middle. No matter what the call it's the wrong one if it does t work, that's how these people legitimately think.
You're so boring.
Just admit that this team is poorly coached. It's obvious.
Stop trying to defend this trash coaching. You just make yourself look silly.
Pedersen needs to learn that its ok to take gimmie points. This riverboat gambler crap is wearing thin.
(01-07-2024, 07:19 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Pedersen needs to learn that its ok to take gimmie points. This riverboat gambler crap is wearing thin.
LOL, welcome to the next 2 years of 8 to 10 wins with not real chance of being great.
Unless Pederson realizes that this is his last chance to be a HC and really tries to develop Trevor Lawrence, we're in a lot of trouble.
(01-07-2024, 07:11 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2024, 07:00 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]And when the first one loses 3 yards the complaint is that they ran it up the middle. No matter what the call it's the wrong one if it does t work, that's how these people legitimately think.
You're so boring.
Just admit that this team is poorly coached. It's obvious.
Stop trying to defend this trash coaching. You just make yourself look silly.
Lol, you the one point moron calling me boring and silly is rich.
(01-07-2024, 07:19 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Pedersen needs to learn that its ok to take gimmie points. This riverboat gambler crap is wearing thin.
You don’t gamble when your offense has been unreliable.
(01-08-2024, 02:27 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2024, 07:19 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Pedersen needs to learn that its ok to take gimmie points. This riverboat gambler crap is wearing thin.
You don’t gamble when your offense has been unreliable.
Pederson isn't even gambling. He's just laying back and watching what happens. He doesn't even really know what's going on anymore. He took this entire season off. This was a paid vacation for Doug.
Last year, you could tell he was trying to be a good HC. This year, he gave up all responsibilities and just let what happens happen. Doug Pederson? More like Who Pederson.
This season was over after September when he held tight with Press being the play caller. The entire coaching staff was just [BLEEP] around. And you could tell by how far all the players regressed.
Certain boot lickers kept telling us that it was the O-Line's fault. But we played against teams during this slide that had much less talent on their O-Lines. But you now what the coaches did? They put their player's in the best situations to be successful.
Our offense just kept running straight forward into the brick wall that every defense was waiting for. We looked like a 1980's offense for the entire year. And we got away with it for half the season. But eventually every team realized how predictable we are and they exposed our coaching staff.
Does Trevor Lawrence even know how to take a snap under center???? Do you all honestly believe that an offense that runs the same formation over and over and over again is going to be successful? LOL
This OC basically just put our franchise QB to the wolves and ya'll blamed the O-Line for it. If you know that the formation is 3 WR 1TE and RB, with QB in shot gun, then you know what's coming 90% of the time.
Don't tell me you don't know what play is about to happen 9 times out of 10.
Go watch a real NFL team. They look light years ahead of us. Hell, the Titans looked like a legit NFL offense compared to the basic high school ball we put out there today. And this was for a PLAYOFF BIRTH!!!! Or coaches mailed this one in. They didn't have the players ready. The players had no fire. And that's because there is no accountability by those that game plan.
This fiasco is all on Pederson and his coaches.
(01-07-2024, 07:30 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2024, 07:19 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Pedersen needs to learn that its ok to take gimmie points. This riverboat gambler crap is wearing thin.
LOL, welcome to the next 2 years of 8 to 10 wins with not real chance of being great.
Unless Pederson realizes that this is his last chance to be a HC and really tries to develop Trevor Lawrence, we're in a lot of trouble.
Not sure they get to 8-10 wins next year, this offense has been figured out the 2nd half of the year.
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Doug Pederson got lazy. Kind reminds me of Mike McCarthy last season in GB.
(01-07-2024, 06:59 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2024, 06:54 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]You have 2 shots up the gut with either ETN or Tank..
No rollout necessary..
Some of this season's playcalling was just flat out too cute and they failed to execute in crucial moments.
The fact that we never scored a TD in the 1st Quarter (Edit: during our 7 game slide)
The fact that we constantly just settle for FGs.
This offense was coached badly. I'm sorry. No amount of boot lickers can change my mind about how poorly this offense was coached.
boot lickers ... That's rich from the clown that cries for 5 paragraphs about feeling insulted
LOL
Anyone who points out the flaws in your poor analysis is a boot licker. Got it.
Anyway - on topic - I did not like Pederson's game plan in at least 4 of our games this year. I feel the team failed to exploit the opponents weakness and capitalize on their own strength in those few matchups.
I didn't like the Taylor play calls in the loss to the tacks on several plays, even though the QB play killed us more than the play calling offensively in the end. We could have won the game on the plays called, but they also could have been better.
After seeing a full season of Press Taylor - I'd like an upgrade. While an offensive line that can run block and protect will definitely unlock a Pederson/Taylor offense to a much better result - the disappointment I'm feeling now makes me feel we can do better. Taylor is a decent chess player - but I'd rather have a great one. He may have been just good enough to keep his job though.
It will be interesting to see what ending the season on a skid will do internally regarding a shake-up of staff.
My initial speculation is that not much changes. Not much to do but wait it out now.
(01-08-2024, 11:07 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-07-2024, 06:59 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that we never scored a TD in the 1st Quarter (Edit: during our 7 game slide)
The fact that we constantly just settle for FGs.
This offense was coached badly. I'm sorry. No amount of boot lickers can change my mind about how poorly this offense was coached.
boot lickers ... That's rich from the clown that cries for 5 paragraphs about feeling insulted
LOL
Anyone who points out the flaws in your poor analysis is a boot licker. Got it.
Anyway - on topic - I did not like Pederson's game plan in at least 4 of our games this year. I feel the team failed to exploit the opponents weakness and capitalize on their own strength in those few matchups.
I didn't like the Taylor play calls in the loss to the tacks on several plays, even though the QB play killed us more than the play calling offensively in the end. We could have won the game on the plays called, but they also could have been better.
After seeing a full season of Press Taylor - I'd like an upgrade. While an offensive line that can run block and protect will definitely unlock a Pederson/Taylor offense to a much better result - the disappointment I'm feeling now makes me feel we can do better. Taylor is a decent chess player - but I'd rather have a great one. He may have been just good enough to keep his job though.
It will be interesting to see what ending the season on a skid will do internally regarding a shake-up of staff.
My initial speculation is that not much changes. Not much to do but wait it out now.
It's hilarious how you can only admit that when it serves to backup another argument you're having.
(01-08-2024, 11:20 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2024, 11:07 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]boot lickers ... That's rich from the clown that cries for 5 paragraphs about feeling insulted
LOL
Anyone who points out the flaws in your poor analysis is a boot licker. Got it.
Anyway - on topic - I did not like Pederson's game plan in at least 4 of our games this year. I feel the team failed to exploit the opponents weakness and capitalize on their own strength in those few matchups.
I didn't like the Taylor play calls in the loss to the tacks on several plays, even though the QB play killed us more than the play calling offensively in the end. We could have won the game on the plays called, but they also could have been better.
After seeing a full season of Press Taylor - I'd like an upgrade. While an offensive line that can run block and protect will definitely unlock a Pederson/Taylor offense to a much better result - the disappointment I'm feeling now makes me feel we can do better. Taylor is a decent chess player - but I'd rather have a great one. He may have been just good enough to keep his job though.
It will be interesting to see what ending the season on a skid will do internally regarding a shake-up of staff.
My initial speculation is that not much changes. Not much to do but wait it out now.
It's hilarious how you can only admit that when it serves to backup another argument you're having.
I've been plainly open about Trevor's bad play from his first snap. There just isn't as much of it as you want to believe there is.
Just because I defend him from nonsense and hyperbole doesn't mean I haven't called him out on poor play in several games in each of three seasons now. I have.
Don't be stupid.
There isn't another "argument" by he way. The other "position" I addressed is too nonsensical to be considered such.
(12-26-2023, 01:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-25-2023, 04:17 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Loyalty in and of itself is a good thing. But in some cases you have to be able to make the hard decisions. Considering Press has been with him since the beginning, Pederson obviously doesn’t have that ability.
That's because you think he should get rid of Taylor. Doug knows Taylor ain't the problem. We've been over this ad nauseum, the players simply aren't good enough because the GM blew his assessment of the lines. That's it, that's all of it. The team is weak in the trenches and no amount of coaching or play calling is going to change that.
He may not be THE problem but there have been some pretty questionable calls at critical times, mostly involving being too aggressive (take the points) in other cases making head scratching calls in the red zone. I’m not of the school that we could replace him and everything will be fine but he’s just one issue among many.
(01-08-2024, 11:41 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-26-2023, 01:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]That's because you think he should get rid of Taylor. Doug knows Taylor ain't the problem. We've been over this ad nauseum, the players simply aren't good enough because the GM blew his assessment of the lines. That's it, that's all of it. The team is weak in the trenches and no amount of coaching or play calling is going to change that.
He may not be THE problem but there have been some pretty questionable calls at critical times, mostly involving being too aggressive (take the points) in other cases making head scratching calls in the red zone. I’m not of the school that we could replace him and everything will be fine but he’s just one issue among many.
Sure, I agree that they sometimes get too cute or too agressive. Some of that is because they want to take every opportunity to make up for the deficit in player talent.
(01-08-2024, 11:29 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2024, 11:20 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]It's hilarious how you can only admit that when it serves to backup another argument you're having.
I've been plainly open about Trevor's bad play from his first snap. There just isn't as much of it as you want to believe there is.
Just because I defend him from nonsense and hyperbole doesn't mean I haven't called him out on poor play in several games in each of three seasons now. I have.
Don't be stupid.
There isn't another "argument" by he way. The other "position" I addressed is too nonsensical to be considered such.
This team is weak in the trenches is actually your argument.
But you just ignored the fact that we have talented players like ETN, Zay, Kirk, Engram etc.....
So just because we are weak on the line means it doesnt matter about the other players!
Genius analyst on your end sir!
(01-08-2024, 01:50 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2024, 11:29 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I've been plainly open about Trevor's bad play from his first snap. There just isn't as much of it as you want to believe there is.
Just because I defend him from nonsense and hyperbole doesn't mean I haven't called him out on poor play in several games in each of three seasons now. I have.
Don't be stupid.
There isn't another "argument" by he way. The other "position" I addressed is too nonsensical to be considered such.
This team is weak in the trenches is actually your argument.
But you just ignored the fact that we have talented players like ETN, Zay, Kirk, Engram etc.....
So just because we are weak on the line means it doesnt matter about the other players!
Genius analyst on your end sir!
Poor play in the trenches does in fact negate talent at skill positions quite frequently.
Your inability to understand that is very telling and explains why you continually prop up bad take after bad take.
I think Pederson’s problem is just that, he tells the media weekly “how we practice is how we play” - almost like “it’s not my problem”
“if these dumb dumbs can’t run my playbook, miss tackles, get costly penalty’s, and turn the football over— it’s their fault.”
This team is a reflection of their HC, he didn’t adjust for 6 weeks. He NEEDS to take the playcalling back, he’s a better coach when he has that responsibility
(01-08-2024, 02:17 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]I think Pederson’s problem is just that, he tells the media weekly “how we practice is how we play” - almost like “it’s not my problem”
“if these dumb dumbs can’t run my playbook, miss tackles, get costly penalty’s, and turn the football over— it’s their fault.”
This team is a reflection of their HC, he didn’t adjust for 6 weeks. He NEEDS to take the playcalling back, he’s a better coach when he has that responsibility
Yeah. I keep saying and typing that word out, a lot since yesterday's loss. "Adjustments" or "Adjust". Seems like the team never made them or never made enough of them to get things corrected.
I still circle back to that ankle injury against the Bengals for Lawrence. When Little stepped on him. That's where it all slowly started to unravel. The 49ers loss was forgivable. Everything that occurred since that loss?
Not forgivable. At all. I expect better results out of Pederson. Especially with roughly the same exact football team from last year. Either, Khan adjusts his eyes this off season and realizes that:
1. Baalke is not the answer.
2. Pederson is not the perfect coach.
3. Lawrence needs a lot more help than you can imagine.
This team is [BLEEP]. Royally [BLEEP] blue after that choke job. One of our local writers said it best, and I agree with him, Demetrius Harvey. We're officially entering, easily, EASILY, the single most important off season in franchise history.
I believe that and whatever happens between now and before training camp will either set this team up for success for the next five years or doom it back to the basement cellar where we all deep down probably feel it belongs.
(01-08-2024, 02:24 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-08-2024, 02:17 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]I think Pederson’s problem is just that, he tells the media weekly “how we practice is how we play” - almost like “it’s not my problem”
“if these dumb dumbs can’t run my playbook, miss tackles, get costly penalty’s, and turn the football over— it’s their fault.”
This team is a reflection of their HC, he didn’t adjust for 6 weeks. He NEEDS to take the playcalling back, he’s a better coach when he has that responsibility
Yeah. I keep saying and typing that word out, a lot since yesterday's loss. "Adjustments" or "Adjust". Seems like the team never made them or never made enough of them to get things corrected.
I still circle back to that ankle injury against the Bengals for Lawrence. When Little stepped on him. That's where it all slowly started to unravel. The 49ers loss was forgivable. Everything that occurred since that loss?
Not forgivable. At all. I expect better results out of Pederson. Especially with roughly the same exact football team from last year. Either, Khan adjusts his eyes this off season and realizes that:
1. Baalke is not the answer.
2. Pederson is not the perfect coach.
3. Lawrence needs a lot more help than you can imagine.
This team is [BLEEP]. Royally [BLEEP] blue after that choke job. One of our local writers said it best, and I agree with him, Demetrius Harvey. We're officially entering, easily, EASILY, the single most important off season in franchise history.
I believe that and whatever happens between now and before training camp will either set this team up for success for the next five years or doom it back to the basement cellar where we all deep down probably feel it belongs.
100% agree.
Khan, specifically, will be judged on how he handles this offseason.