(01-21-2024, 06:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny how you can show people how the play-calling was damn near identical to 2022 in a dozen measurable ways, and they still refuse to understand how it had little to no negative impact on our (not much different) offensive results in 2023.
Willful ignorance I suppose.
They can't help it, their agendas die in the light of the facts.
(01-21-2024, 06:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny how you can show people how the play-calling was damn near identical to 2022 in a dozen measurable ways, and they still refuse to understand how it had little to no negative impact on our (not much different) offensive results in 2023.
Willful ignorance I suppose.
I don't think our offense was all that amazing in 2022 so that's irrelevant to me. Trevor had a nice stretch in the second half of the season but other than that it wasn't exactly special. The biggest difference really is that ETN couldn't recreate his previous season in terms of YPC. Trevors stats are fairly similarl in the TD-Turnover department.
Edited to add:
2022 30 TDs (passing/rushing) 17 turnovers (int/fumble)
2023 25 TDs (passing/rushing) 21 turnovers (int/fumble)
Slightly worse, but it's not a huge difference. Both years are absurdly better than the putrid rookie season but still meh.
(01-21-2024, 07:30 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 06:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny how you can show people how the play-calling was damn near identical to 2022 in a dozen measurable ways, and they still refuse to understand how it had little to no negative impact on our (not much different) offensive results in 2023.
Willful ignorance I suppose.
I don't think our offense was all that amazing in 2022 so that's irrelevant to me. Trevor had a nice stretch in the second half of the season but other than that it wasn't exactly special. The biggest difference really is that ETN couldn't recreate his previous season in terms of YPC. Trevors stats are fairly identical in the TD-Turnover department.
And you think ETN's production dip was the result of what, exactly?
(01-21-2024, 07:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 07:30 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think our offense was all that amazing in 2022 so that's irrelevant to me. Trevor had a nice stretch in the second half of the season but other than that it wasn't exactly special. The biggest difference really is that ETN couldn't recreate his previous season in terms of YPC. Trevors stats are fairly identical in the TD-Turnover department.
And you think ETN's production dip was the result of what, exactly?
The O line.
Edit:
When I insult the playcalling it's not the same way that guy who hates Press Taylors gut does. My issue is with leaving points on the board/going for it on 4th for no reason/calling silly reverses/cute trick plays when it's not working and rarely does.
(01-21-2024, 07:30 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 06:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny how you can show people how the play-calling was damn near identical to 2022 in a dozen measurable ways, and they still refuse to understand how it had little to no negative impact on our (not much different) offensive results in 2023.
Willful ignorance I suppose.
I don't think our offense was all that amazing in 2022 so that's irrelevant to me. Trevor had a nice stretch in the second half of the season but other than that it wasn't exactly special. The biggest difference really is that ETN couldn't recreate his previous season in terms of YPC. Trevors stats are fairly similarl in the TD-Turnover department.
2022 30 TDs (passing/rushing) 17 turnovers (int/fumble)
2023 25 TDs (passing/rushing) 21 turnovers (int/fumble)
Slightly worse, but it's not a huge difference. Both years are absurdly better than the putrid rookie season but still meh.
LOL
Dude - take that [BLEEP] to the Trevor thread.
I occasionally wonder what watching Jags football might be like for you if you hadn't ever decided to post [BLEEP] takes on a rookie QB for a year and a half.
You're so handcuffed to needing hime to suck so you don't have to admit to being a douche bag.
Must really ruin the experience for you.
(01-21-2024, 07:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-21-2024, 07:30 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think our offense was all that amazing in 2022 so that's irrelevant to me. Trevor had a nice stretch in the second half of the season but other than that it wasn't exactly special. The biggest difference really is that ETN couldn't recreate his previous season in terms of YPC. Trevors stats are fairly similarl in the TD-Turnover department.
2022 30 TDs (passing/rushing) 17 turnovers (int/fumble)
2023 25 TDs (passing/rushing) 21 turnovers (int/fumble)
Slightly worse, but it's not a huge difference. Both years are absurdly better than the putrid rookie season but still meh.
LOL
Dude - take that [BLEEP] to the Trevor thread.
I occasionally wonder what watching Jags football might be like for you if you hadn't ever decided to post [BLEEP] takes on a rookie QB for a year and a half.
You're so handcuffed to needing hime to suck so you don't have to admit to being a douche bag.
Must really ruin the experience for you.
I enjoy watching the game every week, it might come as a surprise to you but I actually like and appreciate Trevor Lawrence. Just because I don't think he's half the player most of you have had him pegged as since his freshmen year at Clemson dosen't make me dislike him.
I'd rather watch Lawrence try to fiigure it out playing average football than watching Blake Bortles struggle to throw a spiral and spam flat routes to TJ Yeldon because he can't do anything else.
(01-19-2024, 11:17 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2024, 02:35 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]That's kinda my interpretation of his choice of words as well.
"I didn't hear this directly, but I've seen mention of on social media or elsewhere." = buzz
Though, 1010 was running with this like it had legs at lunch time today. However, Mia said "we've been hinting at this for weeks and now Breer picks it up nationally." Why would you hint at something unless you couldn't verify the veracity of it? My guess is they couldn't confirm it and now it's turned into an echo chamber of an unconfirmed "report" which is helping to self-amplify it. I guess we'll see, but I wouldn't expect anything else to come of it this off season.
What you will see from reporters close to team is them being cryptic with stuff like this. You can't openly leak info because it could out your source and also get you restricted if the right people are mad.
This has happened in the past where the local reporters and radio hosts will drop a hint but not go into any details. Then a national person will pick it up and that enables them to talk about it without burning bridges with the team.
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I find that equally hard to believe.
Inner monologue of random 1010xl reporter: “I’m not supposed to report this so maybe I’ll just drop a few hints on the radio about it. The team will never know and my source will never get outed, but I’ll still be able to inform hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of people who listen to this radio station or stream it online.”
Yeah I don’t think that’s how it works.
(01-21-2024, 09:48 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2024, 11:17 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]What you will see from reporters close to team is them being cryptic with stuff like this. You can't openly leak info because it could out your source and also get you restricted if the right people are mad.
This has happened in the past where the local reporters and radio hosts will drop a hint but not go into any details. Then a national person will pick it up and that enables them to talk about it without burning bridges with the team.
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I find that equally hard to believe.
Inner monologue of random 1010xl reporter: “I’m not supposed to report this so maybe I’ll just drop a few hints on the radio about it. The team will never know and my source will never get outed, but I’ll still be able to inform hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of people who listen to this radio station or stream it online.”
Yeah I don’t think that’s how it works.
Yeah - just like Jason LaCanfora saying Tom Coughlin would be taking over coaching from Marrone before the bye week in 2017.
Most of this stuff is just reporters lending credence to unfounded rumors already floating around.
If it turns out to have any accuracy it's good fro them, if it doesn't, they got 780,000 click throughs monetized and it is also good for them. No one will hold their feet to the fire 99% of the time because journalism has become a complete joke.
(01-20-2024, 11:25 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2024, 11:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It is black and white, the play calling was fine, the QB sabotaged by the lack of blocking and run game. Why don't you harp on how badly ETN played? Maybe because your agenda doesn't require you to ignore how badly the line caused his year to go. You only care that you get to [BLEEP] about the quarterback. Spare me the nonsense.
They never changed the playcalling even when it was obvious it didn't work.
It's why coaches get paid millions. To adjust. They didn't even try.
...do you think if we had a play in the book that worked, we chose NOT to call it?
Situation was much more likely to be "this is the least likely to fail, go with it" even though fail rate was 15-20%.
Help was not on the way.
(01-22-2024, 10:04 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2024, 11:25 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]They never changed the playcalling even when it was obvious it didn't work.
It's why coaches get paid millions. To adjust. They didn't even try.
...do you think if we had a play in the book that worked, we chose NOT to call it?
Situation was much more likely to be "this is the least likely to fail, go with it" even though fail rate was 15-20%.
Help was not on the way.
If you have any faith in the ESPN metric - our run blocking failed 32% of the time on an individual level.
So with five guys individually averaging a 32% fail rate of executing a run block -
How many of the ~380 designed runs were blown up by a blocking failure?
They certainly aren't all making those mistakes on the same snaps most of the time.
So the number of run snaps affected by bad blocking is gonna be way higher than 32%.
Hell - even on the one Calvin Ridley end-around play everyone got so incensed about - he probably would have had a big 1st down if Tim Jones just managed to reach his block and put a shoulder on him for .1 seconds.
It is insanely easy to look at the all 22 and just see execution errors all over the drive killing plays.
(It used to be fast to find them too but the interface changed and you can't select plays by down and distance anymore -- or I'd be posting examples right now)
If I ever get time to cull through the drive killers from our losses, I will post a thread on it.
Funny how anytime I say something positive about Lawrence it gets ignored, y'all some forum drama lovers LOL
(01-22-2024, 11:31 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Funny how anytime I say something positive about Lawrence it gets ignored, y'all some forum drama lovers LOL
Literally just posted last night telling you this thread is not about Lawrence.
Go seek your atta-boys in the proper thread, please.
There is no sports reporting anymore. Everything is monetized on attention and narratives not accurate reporting. It is the reason I have 500 trade rumor articles in my feed. I don't click on them but they are crazy popular apparently.
(01-22-2024, 11:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2024, 11:31 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Funny how anytime I say something positive about Lawrence it gets ignored, y'all some forum drama lovers LOL
Literally just posted last night telling you this thread is not about Lawrence.
Go seek your atta-boys in the proper thread, please.
It's not an o-line thread either but that don't stop you from yapping off.
(01-21-2024, 09:48 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (01-19-2024, 11:17 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]What you will see from reporters close to team is them being cryptic with stuff like this. You can't openly leak info because it could out your source and also get you restricted if the right people are mad.
This has happened in the past where the local reporters and radio hosts will drop a hint but not go into any details. Then a national person will pick it up and that enables them to talk about it without burning bridges with the team.
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I find that equally hard to believe.
Inner monologue of random 1010xl reporter: “I’m not supposed to report this so maybe I’ll just drop a few hints on the radio about it. The team will never know and my source will never get outed, but I’ll still be able to inform hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of people who listen to this radio station or stream it online.”
Yeah I don’t think that’s how it works.
I'm not sure why you don't believe that reporters assigned to the team won't talk about some things openly. If they talk about some things, it could cost them access. National reporters don't care too much about that.
For hinting at stuff, that happens all the time. If you can read people's verbal and nonverbal clues, you can easily see when they aren't giving you the full story. Reporters and color commentary are close to the players and coaches, they may talk about things off the record or notice things on and off the field.
The Jags have had plenty of issues in the past, and if you have listened to the radio you will have been able to read between the lines. After news breaks they will talk about it but before you will have to pick up on the smoke.
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Let's see if Taylor leaves to join his brother since the Bengals OC seems to be the Titans HC
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(01-23-2024, 02:36 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Let's see if Taylor leaves to join his brother since the Bengals OC seems to be the Titans HC
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Yes please do go join your brother presssssss.
(01-23-2024, 03:03 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-23-2024, 02:36 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Let's see if Taylor leaves to join his brother since the Bengals OC seems to be the Titans HC
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Yes please do go join your brother presssssss.
If you were Press, I think the smart move would be to get out of here asap. I don't see how Pederson could block that move either.
Either Press is great or he isn't. Staying in Jacksonville with a half checked out Pederson and Baalke power struggle, plus if the Trevor meeting is true, it just isn't going to be a good place. If he's great, this team will probably still have issues that affect the offense. If he's bad, the issues will be even worse.
There's a big risk that no matter what, next year isn't a success, and the ship sinks.
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Crazy fact I just learned:
Press Taylor is currently the second longest tenured offensive coordinator in the NFL by 3 days.