(12-24-2023, 08:20 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Offense has no flow.
I agree, and the biggest reason for that is that they can't block. Everyone is missing blocks- linemen, tight ends, wide receivers, running backs- everybody is routinely whiffing on blocks they should be making. I constantly see linemen or tight ends looking at guys going right past them as if they are thinking, "Whoops, was I supposed to block that guy?"
(12-24-2023, 10:38 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2023, 10:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]John Shipley shared this:
https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/01/if-eag...pport.html
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It honestly feels like history is going to repeat itself with Doug.
I recall Eagles fans saying Pederson was loyal to a fault. I guess we're getting to see that in the first person.
(12-24-2023, 10:45 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't like the playcalling but aesthetically I've always disliked it. I prefer physical teams that run the ball and throw it down the field. I don't like finesse offenses that focus on short quick passes and play horizontally.
But I don't think people can just dismiss the terrible oline play. Pff had us rated as worst run blocking going into this weekend. Im sure it's even worse now. No matter what offense you run, if you are that one dimensional then defenses can tee off on you. And it'd be one thing if the pass blocking was above average,but they aren't good at that either. Bottom third in the league. A terrible oline limits everything you do.
The real question is how did they regress so much?
I'm more and more leaning this way.
It may be time for Doug Pederson to rethink the offense in general and especially the run game.
All the finesse blocking and abundance of short and horizontal passes are part of Doug's scheme with or without Taylor.
It may not be the best way forward with Lawrence and the guys most obvious to remain here around him.
How it regressed IMO is that the run blocking got so bad they had to remove a lot of the plays in their playbook because they had no chance of functioning. And the bad protection from the line has now lasted long enough to get into Lawrence's head. Bad QB decisions have crept back into regularity after he had reduced them to infrequency.
- Worst OL ever - run and pass
- Tons of mistakes/errors from players
- Playbook limited by line play
- QB regressing to frequent poor decisions
- Pederson's scheme relies too much on gadgetry and finesse
- New OC less fluid in calling those gadgets situationally
I think that is probably our laundry list of issues listed in order of impact.
I think most of the folks that think they hate Taylor really hate Pederson's scheme and don't realize it.
(12-24-2023, 10:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]John Shipley shared this:
https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/01/if-eag...pport.html
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I mean, even Trevor Lawrence mentioned it twice last night in his presser. "We look like we don't even practice during the week".
And it's true. This team is not being coached up like it was last year. Doug decided to take this year off and let his boy run the show. And this team has gotten worse week after week. This Tampa Bay team are not world beaters, and they made us look like we're the Carolina Panthers.
Again, the O-Line has been bad all year. But the rest of offense is getting worse week after week. They aren't being coached they way they were last year, and it shows. It's been showing for a while, but now it's pretty obvious.
And to be honest, the way Lawrence talked about how pathetic the offense looked, Doug may be losing the locker room already. After last year, we all assumed Lawrence would be making another leap in his development this year. And instead, he's become an absolute turnover machine. You can blame some of that on the O-Line, sure. But the picks he's thrown were not under duress. Most of his picks are because of his regression as a QB. That falls on Press and the coaches as well as Trevor himself.
It's just not good enough play calling. It's just not good enough offensive game planning. And it's clearly not good enough coaching/mentoring. The execution is bad as well. I'm not sure if it's possible to turn this thing around. But man, the Panthers game is going to say a lot about this team and particularly this coaching staff.
(12-25-2023, 10:24 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2023, 10:38 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]It honestly feels like history is going to repeat itself with Doug.
I recall Eagles fans saying Pederson was loyal to a fault. I guess we're getting to see that in the first person.
Isn’t that interesting smh
Just as I suspected smh x2
Bucky Brooks supposedly said that at half time, Doug had called the team to the center of the locker room but only a handful of guys showed up.
Something seems off and odd about that.
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(12-25-2023, 02:20 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Bucky Brooks supposedly said that at half time, Doug had called the team to the center of the locker room but only a handful of guys showed up.
Something seems off and odd about that.
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It's probably because he is losing the team with Press calling the plays
So is Doug basically just trying to do what Urban did and ride everyone else's coat tails?
(12-25-2023, 02:20 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Bucky Brooks supposedly said that at half time, Doug had called the team to the center of the locker room but only a handful of guys showed up.
Something seems off and odd about that.
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Does it though?
If you watched the press conference Lawrence had after the game, along with how this is the 4th week of just really bad play, doesn't it seem like a pretty obvious situation where some of the players are beginning to check out.
Lawrence said twice last night that it looked like we hadn't practiced all week.
You remember the last time that sentiment was expressed? Under Urban Meyer.
(12-25-2023, 02:55 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (12-25-2023, 02:20 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Bucky Brooks supposedly said that at half time, Doug had called the team to the center of the locker room but only a handful of guys showed up.
Something seems off and odd about that.
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Does it though?
If you watched the press conference Lawrence had after the game, along with how this is the 4th week of just really bad play, doesn't it seem like a pretty obvious situation where some of the players are beginning to check out.
Lawrence said twice last night that it looked like we hadn't practiced all week.
You remember the last time that sentiment was expressed? Under Urban Meyer.
By odd and something off I mean it's surprising. Not something you want to hear in week 15.
This team has two weeks to get it back on track but we're not the only team with up's and down's in this conference.
I hope, though, if it is Press Taylor that the team has a problem with that Doug makes a change and soon. Old habits die hard or outright kill you.
It's still a combination of a lot of things in my opinion. The line is god awful, the running game isn't there and Lawrence, hate him or love him, he has to cut back on this turnover [BLEEP].
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(12-25-2023, 12:51 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2023, 10:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]John Shipley shared this:
https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/01/if-eag...pport.html
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I mean, even Trevor Lawrence mentioned it twice last night in his presser. "We look like we don't even practice during the week".
And it's true. This team is not being coached up like it was last year. Doug decided to take this year off and let his boy run the show. And this team has gotten worse week after week. This Tampa Bay team are not world beaters, and they made us look like we're the Carolina Panthers.
Again, the O-Line has been bad all year. But the rest of offense is getting worse week after week. They aren't being coached they way they were last year, and it shows. It's been showing for a while, but now it's pretty obvious.
And to be honest, the way Lawrence talked about how pathetic the offense looked, Doug may be losing the locker room already. After last year, we all assumed Lawrence would be making another leap in his development this year. And instead, he's become an absolute turnover machine. You can blame some of that on the O-Line, sure. But the picks he's thrown were not under duress. Most of his picks are because of his regression as a QB. That falls on Press and the coaches as well as Trevor himself.
It's just not good enough play calling. It's just not good enough offensive game planning. And it's clearly not good enough coaching/mentoring. The execution is bad as well. I'm not sure if it's possible to turn this thing around. But man, the Panthers game is going to say a lot about this team and particularly this coaching staff.
Maybe you're reading too much into the comment.
Trevor has missed a lot of practice with injuries. Did he practice this week? He was in the concussion protocol. I don't think he did.
(12-25-2023, 01:51 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-25-2023, 10:24 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]I recall Eagles fans saying Pederson was loyal to a fault. I guess we're getting to see that in the first person.
Isn’t that interesting smh
Just as I suspected smh x2
Loyalty in and of itself is a good thing. But in some cases you have to be able to make the hard decisions. Considering Press has been with him since the beginning, Pederson obviously doesn’t have that ability.
(12-25-2023, 04:17 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (12-25-2023, 01:51 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Isn’t that interesting smh
Just as I suspected smh x2
Loyalty in and of itself is a good thing. But in some cases you have to be able to make the hard decisions. Considering Press has been with him since the beginning, Pederson obviously doesn’t have that ability.
That's because you think he should get rid of Taylor. Doug knows Taylor ain't the problem. We've been over this ad nauseum, the players simply aren't good enough because the GM blew his assessment of the lines. That's it, that's all of it. The team is weak in the trenches and no amount of coaching or play calling is going to change that.
(12-25-2023, 12:51 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2023, 10:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]John Shipley shared this:
https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/01/if-eag...pport.html
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I mean, even Trevor Lawrence mentioned it twice last night in his presser. "We look like we don't even practice during the week".
And it's true. This team is not being coached up like it was last year. Doug decided to take this year off and let his boy run the show. And this team has gotten worse week after week. This Tampa Bay team are not world beaters, and they made us look like we're the Carolina Panthers.
Again, the O-Line has been bad all year. But the rest of offense is getting worse week after week. They aren't being coached they way they were last year, and it shows. It's been showing for a while, but now it's pretty obvious.
And to be honest, the way Lawrence talked about how pathetic the offense looked, Doug may be losing the locker room already. After last year, we all assumed Lawrence would be making another leap in his development this year. And instead, he's become an absolute turnover machine. You can blame some of that on the O-Line, sure. But the picks he's thrown were not under duress. Most of his picks are because of his regression as a QB. That falls on Press and the coaches as well as Trevor himself.
It's just not good enough play calling. It's just not good enough offensive game planning. And it's clearly not good enough coaching/mentoring. The execution is bad as well. I'm not sure if it's possible to turn this thing around. But man, the Panthers game is going to say a lot about this team and particularly this coaching staff.
Sadly, i fear that this week the Carolina Panthers are going to make us look like the Jacksonville Jaguars. Of 2019.
No need for me to harp on which plays this week were very questionable from Doug and Press.
Self-explanatory.
[BLEEP] Doug, [BLEEP] Press.
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Doug has to take back play calling right? His job will be on the line next season
Is it "aggression" or just masked stupidity?
I called out the trend early in the year hoping it wouldn't be a consistent issue, but it continued to plague us all the way through the last game of this year.
(12-26-2023, 01:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-25-2023, 04:17 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Loyalty in and of itself is a good thing. But in some cases you have to be able to make the hard decisions. Considering Press has been with him since the beginning, Pederson obviously doesn’t have that ability.
That's because you think he should get rid of Taylor. Doug knows Taylor ain't the problem. We've been over this ad nauseum, the players simply aren't good enough because the GM blew his assessment of the lines. That's it, that's all of it. The team is weak in the trenches and no amount of coaching or play calling is going to change that.
Still true at this moment.
(12-25-2023, 02:52 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]So is Doug basically just trying to do what Urban did and ride everyone else's coat tails?
No, what happened to Pederson is what happens to almost anyone that moves to Florida. They come here, work for a little bit, but after that, they get sucked into vacation mode and then go on cruise control