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(01-08-2024, 01:50 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-08-2024, 11:29 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I've been plainly open about Trevor's bad play from his first snap. There just isn't as much of it as you want to believe there is.

Just because I defend him from nonsense and hyperbole doesn't mean I haven't called him out on poor play in several games in each of three seasons now. I have.

Don't be stupid. 

There isn't another "argument" by he way. The other "position" I addressed is too nonsensical to be considered such.

This team is weak in the trenches is actually your argument.

But you just ignored the fact that we have talented players like ETN, Zay, Kirk, Engram etc.....

So just because we are weak on the line means it doesnt matter about the other players!

Genius analyst on your end sir!

Dude it literally starts in the trenches anybody and everybody who knows anything about football knows this..... And yes when the trenches suck your skilled players might not be as good

Unfortunate to say, but I think Doug has completely lost me.
Here's his latest presser: https://www.youtube.com/live/PwovrlgwTak...jlxtvUSDx7

Essentially, he spends time:
1) Praising Press Taylor's first year
2) Painting the O-line as a "bright spot" for the offense
3) Saying he got "a lot" from this year's rookie class

I can understand the last one, to give the young guys a confidence boost, but the first two points are very alarming. They signal to me that Doug is terrible at assessing talent. He even specifically praises Luke Fortner.

Here's a quote from Doug: "I thought overall, Press did a nice job of organizing the offense, the game planning that we did, and even calling. I would have to go back and look at all the numbers, but I think points and different things like that, we were better (than last year). We can still get better on third down and in the red zone, all of that. He did a nice job." In case Doug wasn't aware, the offense was worse in every measurable category this year, so I'm not sure what Doug is thinking.

Also, when asked if drastic changes were needed, he answered: “No. It’s not those types of changes. It could be as easy as the communication, the messaging of the team and how I approach that.” He mentions that he and Trent "understand" urgency and will "fix mistakes".

Looks like we're in for another Baalke draft, and a Press Taylor 2024-2025 offense. Yuck. I'm really hoping Trent doesn't share the same beliefs as Doug on the O-line. Trevor's going to be Andrew Luck/Carson Wentz quickly if he does.

Of course he is praising Press first year. It's his own decision to put Press in this situation.

(01-08-2024, 06:52 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-08-2024, 01:50 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]This team is weak in the trenches is actually your argument.

But you just ignored the fact that we have talented players like ETN, Zay, Kirk, Engram etc.....

So just because we are weak on the line means it doesnt matter about the other players!

Genius analyst on your end sir!

Dude it literally starts in the trenches anybody and everybody who knows anything about football knows this..... And yes when the trenches suck your skilled players might not be as good

You do realize that every team has weaknesses, right? So to die on this hill is pathetic.

(01-09-2024, 07:09 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-08-2024, 06:52 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Dude it literally starts in the trenches anybody and everybody who knows anything about football knows this..... And yes when the trenches suck your skilled players might not be as good

You do realize that every team has weaknesses, right? So to die on this hill is pathetic.

Agree, you should really just surrender the ground you're losing.

As posted in another thread

2022 offense : 10th in points , 10th in yards

2023 offense: 13th in points and 13th in yards

Fix the line, fix the run game, and this offense can be well inside the top ten with some minor tweaks.

If Taylor improves upon his first year as a play caller even marginally, the run game is functional for 17 games, and TL learns to be a little bit smarter with the football, it really isn't tough to imagine the offense having a productive season. All do-able.

I'm just waiting on free agency and the draft to see what happens in the trenches where problems far greater than Press Taylor reside.

(01-09-2024, 09:46 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]As posted in another thread

2022 offense :  10th in points , 10th in yards

2023 offense:  13th in points and 13th in yards

Fix the line, fix the run game, and this offense can be well inside the top ten with some minor tweaks.

If Taylor improves upon his first year as a play caller even marginally,  the run game is functional for 17 games, and TL learns to be a little bit smarter with the football, it really isn't tough to imagine the offense having a productive season. All do-able. 

I'm just waiting on free agency and the draft to see what happens in the trenches where problems far greater than Press Taylor reside.

I just remember all those years of low 20 something in offense where we couldn't get 14 points a game. Now we're crying about a hobbled offense that won 9 games and is in the top 3rd of the League.

(01-09-2024, 07:09 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-08-2024, 06:52 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]Dude it literally starts in the trenches anybody and everybody who knows anything about football knows this..... And yes when the trenches suck your skilled players might not be as good

You do realize that every team has weaknesses, right? So to die on this hill is pathetic.

Not being able to run the ball is crippling, no matter who is playing the skill positions.  The defenders rush the passer, the secondary covers tighter than they would if the QB had time to go downfield, and as a result, not only are you not able to run the ball, no one is open downfield.   The defenders don't have to give any cushion to the receivers, because they know the QB isn't going to have much time in the pocket.  And it all starts with not being able to run the ball.

(01-09-2024, 10:11 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-09-2024, 07:09 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize that every team has weaknesses, right? So to die on this hill is pathetic.

Not being able to run the ball is crippling, no matter who is playing the skill positions.  The defenders rush the passer, the secondary covers tighter than they would if the QB had time to go downfield, and as a result, not only are you not able to run the ball, no one is open downfield.   The defenders don't have to give any cushion to the receivers, because they know the QB isn't going to have much time in the pocket.  And it all starts with not being able to run the ball.

They were historically bad at running the ball. They got stuffed for zero or negative yards like 50% of the time!

(01-09-2024, 10:13 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-09-2024, 10:11 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Not being able to run the ball is crippling, no matter who is playing the skill positions.  The defenders rush the passer, the secondary covers tighter than they would if the QB had time to go downfield, and as a result, not only are you not able to run the ball, no one is open downfield.   The defenders don't have to give any cushion to the receivers, because they know the QB isn't going to have much time in the pocket.  And it all starts with not being able to run the ball.

They were historically bad at running the ball. They got stuffed for zero or negative yards like 50% of the time!

It does seem like very often on first down we ran for minus 2 yards.  That puts the QB in a very tough position.  Also, not being able to run in the red zone, when the defensive cover guys don't have to give any cushion because they are protected by the back of the end zone.  In the last game, 3rd and goal on the 1 yard line and we call a pass play- that tells you everything you need to know about our offensive line.

(01-08-2024, 06:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Just noticed this post and it is a good point to remind fans about:

https://twitter.com/BrentASJax/status/17...76673?s=20

This is true, but the whole thing about football and elite teams is that they have plans B, C, D, E, and F. So when the ideal call doesn't get executed or someone makes a bad play/penalty, they can still maneuver into other situations to win the game.

More often than not on offense, it just feels like if plan A doesn't work -- either on single play/progression, during a drive with one hiccup, or during a game when the other team makes adjustments; this team more often cannot pivot into something else that works.

Banking on plan A works if you have the best talented roster on the field, which the Jags don't. Against elite teams and in the playoffs, plan A won't work most of the time.

(01-09-2024, 10:41 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-08-2024, 06:18 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Just noticed this post and it is a good point to remind fans about:

https://twitter.com/BrentASJax/status/17...76673?s=20

This is true, but the whole thing about football and elite teams is that they have plans B, C, D, E, and F. So when the ideal call doesn't get executed or someone makes a bad play/penalty, they can still maneuver into other situations to win the game.

More often than not on offense, it just feels like if plan A doesn't work -- either on single play/progression, during a drive with one hiccup, or during a game when the other team makes adjustments; this team more often cannot pivot into something else that works.

Banking on plan A works if you have the best talented roster on the field, which the Jags don't. Against elite teams and in the playoffs, plan A won't work most of the time.

The issue isn't plan A, B, C, or D. It's that all those plans are in the folder "Run Game" and that folder was set on fire last offseason.

(01-08-2024, 06:52 PM)nejagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-08-2024, 01:50 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]This team is weak in the trenches is actually your argument.

But you just ignored the fact that we have talented players like ETN, Zay, Kirk, Engram etc.....

So just because we are weak on the line means it doesnt matter about the other players!

Genius analyst on your end sir!

Dude it literally starts in the trenches anybody and everybody who knows anything about football knows this..... And yes when the trenches suck your skilled players might not be as good

I agree, but the studs will still shine, just not as often with a bad line. I would much rather have mediocre WRs/TEs and a great O line vs the opposite. In a perfect world, every position is good or great but that requires good drafting.

Seahawks interviewing Press for HC

(01-12-2024, 01:19 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Seahawks interviewing Press for HC

Really?

(01-12-2024, 01:50 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2024, 01:19 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Seahawks interviewing Press for HC

Really?

no

pretty sure it was a spoof tweet from a fan who thinks he hates Taylor

(01-12-2024, 02:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2024, 01:50 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Really?

no

pretty sure it was a spoof tweet from a fan who thinks he hates Taylor

Well frick. I hate twitter sometimes

(01-12-2024, 02:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2024, 01:50 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Really?

no

pretty sure it was a spoof tweet from a fan who thinks he hates Taylor

Doug would block it anyway. 

(01-12-2024, 03:11 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2024, 02:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]no

pretty sure it was a spoof tweet from a fan who thinks he hates Taylor

Doug would block it anyway. 

No shotgun formation for those guys. They're always under center.

(01-12-2024, 03:11 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-12-2024, 02:08 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]no

pretty sure it was a spoof tweet from a fan who thinks he hates Taylor

Doug would block it anyway. 

Can’t block a promotional interview