(01-20-2024, 09:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2024, 08:07 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]was it the O-Line that cause so many delay of games?
Was it the O-Line that caused so may "we need to execute better" bull [BLEEP] statements week after week?
Was it the O-Line that resulted in us always running up to the line with less than 5 seconds on the Play clock?
Was it the O-Line that insisted on running the same predictable plays on 1st down?
Look, it's fun to blame the O-Line for everything.
But I've been lurking this hate filled forum for years. You all start first by blaming the O-Line....
Let's assume we even fix our O-Line. And our O-Line is the Philly O-Line. Guess what happens? We still collapse because we have trash coaching... I mean, do any of the predominant posters here ever go outside this bubble?
Reading this forum is like trying to decipher ancient Egyptian Hyroglyphics. Ya'll have to deal with out dated mods that are driving dead conversations. It's like trying to re learn swahili.
Bro, it's not like we ended the season with 5 wins...
We were 8 and 3 and looking at a #1 seed at the end of November.
So I guess the O-Line just decided after November to just [BLEEP] it all....
The offensive coaches have no accountability for that. It was all on those lazy 8 win linemen that clearly just decided to [BLEEP] the bed.
Just iigore the progression of injury on the line and cumulative hits on Lawrence as the reason why it happened. Your myopia continues apace, facts and stats be damned.
Why does everyone want to pin the blame of everything on one specific source.
The playcalling was not great.
The OL was terrible
Trevor did not play great football this year.
All 3 can be true, it dosen't have to be black and white.
(01-20-2024, 09:55 PM)Why does everyone want to pin the blame of everything on one specific source. Wrote: [ -> ]The playcalling was not great.
The OL was terrible
Trevor did not play great football this year.
All 3 can be true, it dosen't have to be black and white.
I agree, but the play calling never adjusted, they ran the same basic [BLEEP] over and over. Adapt or die. IMO, they did not learn or adapt, they were stale, got figured out, and lost over and over.
(01-20-2024, 09:55 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Why does everyone want to pin the blame of everything on one specific source.
The playcalling was not great.
The OL was terrible
Trevor did not play great football this year.
All 3 can be true, it dosen't have to be black and white.
(01-20-2024, 09:55 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Why does everyone want to pin the blame of everything on one specific source.
The playcalling was not great.
The OL was terrible
Trevor did not play great football this year.
All 3 can be true, it dosen't have to be black and white.
(01-20-2024, 09:55 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Why does everyone want to pin the blame of everything on one specific source.
The playcalling was not great.
The OL was terrible
Trevor did not play great football this year.
All 3 can be true, it dosen't have to be black and white.
(01-20-2024, 09:55 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2024, 09:52 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Just iigore the progression of injury on the line and cumulative hits on Lawrence as the reason why it happened. Your myopia continues apace, facts and stats be damned.
Why does everyone want to pin the blame of everything on one specific source.
The playcalling was not great.
The OL was terrible
Trevor did not play great football this year.
All 3 can be true, it dosen't have to be black and white.
It is black and white, the play calling was fine, the QB sabotaged by the lack of blocking and run game. Why don't you harp on how badly ETN played? Maybe because your agenda doesn't require you to ignore how badly the line caused his year to go. You only care that you get to [BLEEP] about the quarterback.
Spare me the nonsense.
(01-20-2024, 11:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2024, 09:55 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Why does everyone want to pin the blame of everything on one specific source.
The playcalling was not great.
The OL was terrible
Trevor did not play great football this year.
All 3 can be true, it dosen't have to be black and white.
It is black and white, the play calling was fine, the QB sabotaged by the lack of blocking and run game. Why don't you harp on how badly ETN played? Maybe because your agenda doesn't require you to ignore how badly the line caused his year to go. You only care that you get to [BLEEP] about the quarterback. Spare me the nonsense.
They never changed the playcalling even when it was obvious it didn't work.
It's why coaches get paid millions. To adjust. They didn't even try.
(01-20-2024, 11:25 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2024, 11:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It is black and white, the play calling was fine, the QB sabotaged by the lack of blocking and run game. Why don't you harp on how badly ETN played? Maybe because your agenda doesn't require you to ignore how badly the line caused his year to go. You only care that you get to [BLEEP] about the quarterback. Spare me the nonsense.
They never changed the playcalling even when it was obvious it didn't work.
It's why coaches get paid millions. To adjust. They didn't even try.
I admit they had difficulty adjusting to our team NOT blocking anyone.
(01-20-2024, 11:25 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2024, 11:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It is black and white, the play calling was fine, the QB sabotaged by the lack of blocking and run game. Why don't you harp on how badly ETN played? Maybe because your agenda doesn't require you to ignore how badly the line caused his year to go. You only care that you get to [BLEEP] about the quarterback. Spare me the nonsense.
They never changed the playcalling even when it was obvious it didn't work.
It's why coaches get paid millions. To adjust. They didn't even try.
They were the #13 offense in the League, they didn't need to change the play book, the [BLEEP] players needed to do their jobs. This Maddenized "plays not players" crap is absurd.
1st Down: Press: Run ETN up the middle
TL: You sure, our line sux and we've lost 2-3 yards every time we tried that
Press: ETn up the middle
Stuffed for no gain
Rinse repeat
(01-20-2024, 11:27 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2024, 11:25 PM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]They never changed the playcalling even when it was obvious it didn't work.
It's why coaches get paid millions. To adjust. They didn't even try.
I admit they had difficulty adjusting to our team NOT blocking anyone.
Cool story bro.
Then they kept trying the same [BLEEP] even knowing the line sucks.
How is that not bad coaching and game planning?
(01-21-2024, 12:40 AM)H8tank Wrote: [ -> ]1st Down: Press: Run ETN up the middle
TL: You sure, our line sux and we've lost 2-3 yards every time we tried that
Press: ETn up the middle
Stuffed for no gain
Rinse repeat
False, the Jaguars were 25th in percentage of runs called on first down at 29.3, up just 3% from 2022. They ran on 1st down less than 1 in 3. It's weird how people [BLEEP] about Press Taylor never have accurate information backing up their drivel. Emotion and Groupthink is all the rage.
(01-21-2024, 12:57 AM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2024, 11:27 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I admit they had difficulty adjusting to our team NOT blocking anyone.
Cool story bro.
Then they kept trying the same [BLEEP] even knowing the line sucks.
How is that not bad coaching and game planning?
Also false, the Jaguars were 9th in the League in pass play percentage with a rough 60/40 split. Their formation choice and play calls mirrored the chefs, the difference was the lack of execution, usually by the line.
(01-21-2024, 12:57 AM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2024, 11:27 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]I admit they had difficulty adjusting to our team NOT blocking anyone.
Cool story bro.
Then they kept trying the same [BLEEP] even knowing the line sucks.
How is that not bad coaching and game planning?
Thanks bro, on a side note you know this is a football board right?
(01-21-2024, 09:48 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 12:57 AM)snarkyguy_he_him_his Wrote: [ -> ]Cool story bro.
Then they kept trying the same [BLEEP] even knowing the line sucks.
How is that not bad coaching and game planning?
Thanks bro, on a side note you know this is a football board right?
Trolldouche: "why didn't the coaches just call the plays that work when you can't block?"
Everyone that understands football:
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(01-21-2024, 10:27 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 09:48 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks bro, on a side note you know this is a football board right?
Trolldouche: "why didn't the coaches just call the plays that work when you can't block?"
Everyone that understands football:
I always knew that most fans don't really understand football at a deep level. Based on what I've seen on social media the last week I had no idea that so many fans are just uninformed embiciles who don't seem to understand even the most basic principles of the real game.
(01-21-2024, 10:36 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 10:27 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Trolldouche: "why didn't the coaches just call the plays that work when you can't block?"
Everyone that understands football:
I always knew that most fans don't really understand football at a deep level. Based on what I've seen on social media the last week I had no idea that so many fans are just uninformed embiciles who don't seem to understand even the most basic principles of the real game.
My take is this guy is a soccer guy or possibly Canadian?
(01-20-2024, 11:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2024, 09:55 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Why does everyone want to pin the blame of everything on one specific source.
The playcalling was not great.
The OL was terrible
Trevor did not play great football this year.
All 3 can be true, it dosen't have to be black and white.
It is black and white, the play calling was fine, the QB sabotaged by the lack of blocking and run game. Why don't you harp on how badly ETN played? Maybe because your agenda doesn't require you to ignore how badly the line caused his year to go. You only care that you get to [BLEEP] about the quarterback. Spare me the nonsense.
Almost any RB can play well behind a good line, that's not the case for most QBs. Put Blake Bortles behind the best OL in football and he still bortles up.
but we can flip this argument on it's head, why does no one talk about ETNs low stats but we harp on Tank Bigsby?
Tank Bigsby made individual mistakes, much like Lawrence. I don't get mad at Lawrence when he gets sacked or pressured, I get mad when he drops the ball without contact or he over throws his WR by 10 feet.
Use your noggin.
Edit:
Let's take it a step further, another lie that playcalling was fine.. no, it wasn't. I'm not on the same train as that other guy who slams press all day long but you cannot tell me this coaching staff wasn't calling stupid plays. We would opt to kick a 50 yard field goal after opting to go for it and fail in short FG range.. we would often run cute trick plays on 3rd/4th down that failed and typically we only needed a yard or 2, but we decided to try and be cute.. that's not fantastic play calling.
(01-21-2024, 10:36 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 10:27 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Trolldouche: "why didn't the coaches just call the plays that work when you can't block?"
Everyone that understands football:
I always knew that most fans don't really understand football at a deep level. Based on what I've seen on social media the last week I had no idea that so many fans are just uninformed embiciles who don't seem to understand even the most basic principles of the real game.
Coming from somebody who spews football ignorance that's hilarious.
You come off like the drunk uncle who only see's the first drive sober and has absolutely no clue what's going on.
(01-21-2024, 05:10 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2024, 11:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It is black and white, the play calling was fine, the QB sabotaged by the lack of blocking and run game. Why don't you harp on how badly ETN played? Maybe because your agenda doesn't require you to ignore how badly the line caused his year to go. You only care that you get to [BLEEP] about the quarterback. Spare me the nonsense.
Almost any RB can play well behind a good line, that's not the case for most QBs. Put Blake Bortles behind the best OL in football and he still bortles up.
but we can flip this argument on it's head, why does no one talk about ETNs low stats but we harp on Tank Bigsby?
Tank Bigsby made individual mistakes, much like Lawrence. I don't get mad at Lawrence when he gets sacked or pressured, I get mad when he drops the ball without contact or he over throws his WR by 10 feet.
Use your noggin.
Edit:
Let's take it a step further, another lie that playcalling was fine.. no, it wasn't. I'm not on the same train as that other guy who slams press all day long but you cannot tell me this coaching staff wasn't calling stupid plays. We would opt to kick a 50 yard field goal after opting to go for it and fail in short FG range.. we would often run cute trick plays on 3rd/4th down that failed and typically we only needed a yard or 2, but we decided to try and be cute.. that's not fantastic play calling.
And yet you keep bellyaching about our guy who played behind one of the worst units in the League (Bortles-espue if you will). It's ok, we get it.
Edit response: You are equating 'fine" with "fantastic", that's your problem. The playbook was plenty good enough to be 13th (fine), the players prevented it from being more (fantastic).
(01-21-2024, 05:17 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2024, 10:36 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I always knew that most fans don't really understand football at a deep level. Based on what I've seen on social media the last week I had no idea that so many fans are just uninformed embiciles who don't seem to understand even the most basic principles of the real game.
Coming from somebody who spews football ignorance that's hilarious.
You come off like the drunk uncle who only see's the first drive sober and has absolutely no clue what's going on.
I could not care less what you think. I've forgotten more about football than you could actually absorb and learn in a dozen lifetimes.
It's funny how you can show people how the play-calling was damn near identical to 2022 in a dozen measurable ways, and they still refuse to understand how it had little to no negative impact on our (not much different) offensive results in 2023.
Willful ignorance I suppose.