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(09-17-2023, 03:32 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know who is making the playcalls anymore but it's hindering our team especially when it comes to no-brainer moments.

Not punting on 4th and 5 at midfield with 4 minutes remaining in the half before the Chiefs get the ball again after halftime was bad - especially with how great our defense has been playing.

We have the ball at the Chiefs goalline and don't run it once with ETN, or our esteemed short yardage back, and actually manage to lose yards and only come up with 3 points.

You don't win games against very good teams overthinking some of these playcalls and I hope this doesn't become an issue as the season progresses.

My thoughts exactly !!!   I honestly thought they were simply trying to draw them offsides on 4th and 5 and could not believe they actually snapped the ball.

Also, I thought Darrell Bevell was gone.  Anyone who doesn't run the ball up the middle on 1st and goal at the 1 with an elite RB and QB, both of which have demonstrated they can get 1 yard, it braindead and should go into the bonehead Hall of Fame along with Darrell Bevell.

.... another one, not taking a FG on 4th and 12.  Didn't understand that one as well as it totally deflated out defense on the ensuing KC drive.

It's a game of give and take. Everybody played like pig slop on offense yesterday. Even Kirk at times. 11 catches for 100 yards is not impressive. I would rather have 4 catches for 40 yards and a TD over that. This team is pretty much static from last year. Minus the blatant turnovers on offense and the defense playing a lot better earlier on.

It's effectively a wash and our offensive line is honestly noticeably worse this year already in comparison to what we saw at times last year. It's clear that Bartch, Fortner and Scherff were not prepared nor physically ready to go this year. We failed in the evaluation process and as much as it chaps my [BLEEP] that I have to say this. We sadly need Cam Robinson back at some capacity.

If that means he plays LT and Little gets kicked to LG, or, Harrison moves to LT, Little moves to RT and Robinson moves to LG. So be it. All I know is that, this team can kiss any deep play-off run goodbye with the current line-up. They can't run block with their base five, they can't hold up in pass protection when we want to take a deep shot here and there.

Once you start to try and disguise these issues our opponents will just sit on our routes with zone coverage and continue to take some chances blitzing up the middle to either flush Lawrence out into a mistake or put him in the ground while also being able to account for the running game. They have to start changing it up during practice this week.

I'll harp on it. But, the twin TE stuff was working and that should be a good base to build around. We might need to have Strange and Engram out there more in tandems to help in sealing the edges in the running game or pulling back inside within the interior to compensate for our weaknesses there. You're going to have to flush Lawrence out in designed bootlegs and sprints and that's that.

Buckner got after us in week one. Jones got after us yesterday in week two. Don't let that [BLEEP] rookie out of Alabama punk you at home this Sunday. They need to get some type of misdirection going to figure this [BLEEP] out. It's all a potential moot point though, if, and that's a big IF, Robinson is ready to go and competent enough to hold it down at LT or LG. It should enable us to add two and maybe even three strengths to the line to some extent.

(09-18-2023, 09:48 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-17-2023, 03:32 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know who is making the playcalls anymore but it's hindering our team especially when it comes to no-brainer moments.

Not punting on 4th and 5 at midfield with 4 minutes remaining in the half before the Chiefs get the ball again after halftime was bad - especially with how great our defense has been playing.

We have the ball at the Chiefs goalline and don't run it once with ETN, or our esteemed short yardage back, and actually manage to lose yards and only come up with 3 points.

You don't win games against very good teams overthinking some of these playcalls and I hope this doesn't become an issue as the season progresses.

My thoughts exactly !!!   I honestly thought they were simply trying to draw them offsides on 4th and 5 and could not believe they actually snapped the ball.

Also, I thought Darrell Bevell was gone.  Anyone who doesn't run the ball up the middle on 1st and goal at the 1 with an elite RB and QB, both of which have demonstrated they can get 1 yard, it braindead and should go into the bonehead Hall of Fame along with Darrell Bevell.

.... another one, not taking a FG on 4th and 12.  Didn't understand that one as well as it totally deflated out defense on the ensuing KC drive.

I get not taking the FG on 4th and 12 because you'd still be giving them back the ball with a lead and you'd be likely giving it to them in better field position albeit slightly better and most importantly, you might not see the ball again.  Take your shot while you have one.

(09-18-2023, 10:04 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2023, 09:48 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]My thoughts exactly !!!   I honestly thought they were simply trying to draw them offsides on 4th and 5 and could not believe they actually snapped the ball.

Also, I thought Darrell Bevell was gone.  Anyone who doesn't run the ball up the middle on 1st and goal at the 1 with an elite RB and QB, both of which have demonstrated they can get 1 yard, it braindead and should go into the bonehead Hall of Fame along with Darrell Bevell.

.... another one, not taking a FG on 4th and 12.  Didn't understand that one as well as it totally deflated out defense on the ensuing KC drive.

I get not taking the FG on 4th and 12 because you'd still be giving them back the ball with a lead and you'd be likely giving it to them in better field position albeit slightly better and most importantly, you might not see the ball again.  Take your shot while you have one.

I think you play the percentages there. You went for it on 4th and 5 or 6 in the 1st half. It resulted in Kansas City's first TD on the day. It was a momentum shift. I think, you take the FG, with 4:00 minutes left. You're now in a position to where you're down 17 to 12. Why would you not take a chance again with your defense and special teams there? They kept you in the game all day. 

I think you had a chance to make a stop. Potentially have more than 2:00 minutes left with 3 timeouts. You now go to your QB, your offensive line and receivers and you say. "Look, this is it, go down the field, put this son of a [BLEEP] in the endzone and let's relax tomorrow morning".

(09-18-2023, 09:48 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-17-2023, 03:32 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know who is making the playcalls anymore but it's hindering our team especially when it comes to no-brainer moments.

Not punting on 4th and 5 at midfield with 4 minutes remaining in the half before the Chiefs get the ball again after halftime was bad - especially with how great our defense has been playing.

We have the ball at the Chiefs goalline and don't run it once with ETN, or our esteemed short yardage back, and actually manage to lose yards and only come up with 3 points.

You don't win games against very good teams overthinking some of these playcalls and I hope this doesn't become an issue as the season progresses.

My thoughts exactly !!!   I honestly thought they were simply trying to draw them offsides on 4th and 5 and could not believe they actually snapped the ball.

Also, I thought Darrell Bevell was gone.  Anyone who doesn't run the ball up the middle on 1st and goal at the 1 with an elite RB and QB, both of which have demonstrated they can get 1 yard, it braindead and should go into the bonehead Hall of Fame along with Darrell Bevell.

.... another one, not taking a FG on 4th and 12.  Didn't understand that one as well as it totally deflated out defense on the ensuing KC drive.

I was so silently screaming at my TV. It made no sense. Much of what went on when offense was on the field made no sense. 

Trevor didn't look comfortable either. I don't know if it was that he had an off day or he was wondering WTH Pederson and Press Taylor were doing, like things just didn't make sense, but he didn't look his normal self. 

Hopefully whatever happened will get straightened out this week and we go to Texas with our heads on straight. I don't care if it should be a 'sure win' against them, if we play like we did yesterday it's going to be ugly. Actually, it will be embarrassing.

(09-18-2023, 10:15 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2023, 10:04 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I get not taking the FG on 4th and 12 because you'd still be giving them back the ball with a lead and you'd be likely giving it to them in better field position albeit slightly better and most importantly, you might not see the ball again.  Take your shot while you have one.

I think you play the percentages there. You went for it on 4th and 5 or 6 in the 1st half. It resulted in Kansas City's first TD on the day. It was a momentum shift. I think, you take the FG, with 4:00 minutes left. You're now in a position to where you're down 17 to 12. Why would you not take a chance again with your defense and special teams there? They kept you in the game all day. 

I think you had a chance to make a stop. Potentially have more than 2:00 minutes left with 3 timeouts. You now go to your QB, your offensive line and receivers and you say. "Look, this is it, go down the field, put this son of a [BLEEP] in the endzone and let's relax tomorrow morning".

Yeah. I agree with this. There is aggressive and then there is foolhardy. Take the 3 and then bet on your playmakers. Don’t bet on making 8 point right there.


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(09-18-2023, 11:14 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/LordReebs/status/170...93668?s=20

Yep. Coaches have to figure something out this week. Maybe more twin TE stuff and less spread formations. You played a zone defense week one and a blitz happy defense week two.

Have to execute better. The defense is going to be able to create some opportunities against their offense. They are also struggling.

If our offense cannot beat their offense? We suck.

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(09-18-2023, 11:14 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/LordReebs/status/170...93668?s=20

Coaching and play calling certainly play a role in that.  It'll get cleaned up.

(09-18-2023, 11:14 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/LordReebs/status/170...93668?s=20

Through two weeks, the Jaguars have a league-low -35.9 EPA on offense.

The fact that we are not even environmentally friendly this year is a problem !!!

While I really didn't like a number of calls in the week 2 game, the Jags could have won despite that by just executing when they had opportunity.

That said - Can we please dial back all of the gadgety, smoke-and-mirrors crap??? Passing across the field to the running back to attempt a pass, backward passes to Swagnew, too many off-the-wall calls when we only need a yard or two to convert etc.

Sometimes the best way to move the chains is to just have your guys beat the guys in front of them. Aren't we supposed to have a 2nd round TE who can block really well? Get him and Farrell in there and lets get 2 damn yards in a scrum.
It should not be that hard.

We don't need to make Agnew run in a figure 8 behind the line pre snap on 4th and 2.
Line em up and pound the rock.

Can't do that??

Well, then you [BLEEP] up with those 2nd and 3rd round picks.
Should have gone OL.

(09-18-2023, 01:04 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]While I really didn't like a number of calls in the week 2 game, the Jags could have won despite that by  just executing when they had opportunity.

That said  - Can we please dial back all of the gadgety, smoke-and-mirrors crap??? Passing across the field to the running back to attempt a pass, backward passes to Swagnew, too many off-the-wall calls when we only need a yard or two to convert etc.

Sometimes the best way to move the chains is to just have your guys beat the guys n front of them. Aren't we supposed to have a 2nd round TE who can block really well? Get him and Farrell in there and lets get 2 damn yards in a scrum.
It should not be that hard.

We don't need to make Agnew run in a figure 8 behind the line pre snap on 4th and 2.
Line em up and pound the rock.

Can't do that??

Well, then you [BLEEP] up with those 2nd and 3rd round picks.
Should have gone OL.

I agree with this so much. There were so many opportunities in that game for the players to make a play but it was executed so poorly.

https://twitter.com/danorlovsky7/status/1703582187725947288?s=20

ETN would have either taken this to the house or for a huge gain.... but not executed well.

Kirk dropping a huge 3rd down catch. WRs not getting feet in bounds on those TDs or the throw is just a little bit too out in front. Play call is perfect but the line can't hold up. Missed blocking assignments. Not giving Anton a chip or help when he is matched up 1v1 with Jones....

It was just an overall offensive mess and one I don't see happening too often.

I think many of us thought the Jags were ready for the moment but they weren't. Pederson wasn't ready for Andy Reid (again). Offense wasn't ready overall. Defense played great.

(09-18-2023, 10:15 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2023, 10:04 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I get not taking the FG on 4th and 12 because you'd still be giving them back the ball with a lead and you'd be likely giving it to them in better field position albeit slightly better and most importantly, you might not see the ball again.  Take your shot while you have one.

I think you play the percentages there. You went for it on 4th and 5 or 6 in the 1st half. It resulted in Kansas City's first TD on the day. It was a momentum shift. I think, you take the FG, with 4:00 minutes left. You're now in a position to where you're down 17 to 12. Why would you not take a chance again with your defense and special teams there? They kept you in the game all day. 

I think you had a chance to make a stop. Potentially have more than 2:00 minutes left with 3 timeouts. You now go to your QB, your offensive line and receivers and you say. "Look, this is it, go down the field, put this son of a [BLEEP] in the endzone and let's relax tomorrow morning".

They had a chance to make a stop whether they went for it or kicked a field goal.  The difference is by going for it you give yourself another shot at the tie if your defense can't make the stop.  Kicking a FG to go down 5 does nothing for you if you risk never seeing the ball again, which is exactly what happened on the Chiefs drive.  The percentages absolutely side with going for it down 8 with 4 minutes left, I'm honestly surprised at the amount of people arguing we should have kicked the FG.

(09-18-2023, 01:12 PM)empty Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2023, 10:15 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I think you play the percentages there. You went for it on 4th and 5 or 6 in the 1st half. It resulted in Kansas City's first TD on the day. It was a momentum shift. I think, you take the FG, with 4:00 minutes left. You're now in a position to where you're down 17 to 12. Why would you not take a chance again with your defense and special teams there? They kept you in the game all day. 

I think you had a chance to make a stop. Potentially have more than 2:00 minutes left with 3 timeouts. You now go to your QB, your offensive line and receivers and you say. "Look, this is it, go down the field, put this son of a [BLEEP] in the endzone and let's relax tomorrow morning".

They had a chance to make a stop whether they went for it or kicked a field goal.  The difference is by going for it you give yourself another shot at the tie if your defense can't make the stop.  Kicking a FG to go down 5 does nothing for you if you risk never seeing the ball again, which is exactly what happened on the Chiefs drive.  The percentages absolutely side with going for it down 8 with 4 minutes left, I'm honestly surprised at the amount of people arguing we should have kicked the FG.

Goes back to what happened in the 1st half. The Chiefs scored their first TD on the game after you failed that 4th down attempt. It's more so about momentum and the ability to regroup. You're also giving your special teams unit another crack at getting a turnover. 

The best part is that, you don't have to worry about playing the percentages game in the 4th quarter down by 8 with four minutes left had you not tried to win a dick measuring contest to begin with in said 1st half. 

Plenty of blame to go around as cited everywhere. It is what it is. We lost.

(09-18-2023, 01:16 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2023, 01:12 PM)empty Wrote: [ -> ]They had a chance to make a stop whether they went for it or kicked a field goal.  The difference is by going for it you give yourself another shot at the tie if your defense can't make the stop.  Kicking a FG to go down 5 does nothing for you if you risk never seeing the ball again, which is exactly what happened on the Chiefs drive.  The percentages absolutely side with going for it down 8 with 4 minutes left, I'm honestly surprised at the amount of people arguing we should have kicked the FG.

Goes back to what happened in the 1st half. The Chiefs scored their first TD on the game after you failed that 4th down attempt. It's more so about momentum and the ability to regroup. You're also giving your special teams unit another crack at getting a turnover. 

The best part is that, you don't have to worry about playing the percentages game in the 4th quarter down by 8 with four minutes left had you not tried to win a dick measuring contest to begin with in said 1st half. 

Plenty of blame to go around as cited everywhere. It is what it is. We lost.

What happened in the first half shouldn't have any bearing on what you do at the end of the game.  We failed on a 4th down in the first half and put us behind, that doesn't mean we play scared at the end and take the safe points and pass up maybe our last shot at staying in the game.  They're completely separate events.

But yeah I agree, there's enough blame to go around.

I keep watching the plays from last year on YouTube and jaguars.com and I just don't even recognize this years offense as being the same as last year. The routes, the play calls, just look different now compared to last year. This offense just doesn't even look the same. Even the games we lost early in the season to the Eagles and Denver still had concepts of route running that I haven't seen at all this year. It's like we took the entire playbook from last year and just threw it out.

It just doesn't look the same this year. I can't explain it. There were plays last year where the o-line was breaking down and yet there was Trevor finding a receiver that had separation. I just don't see the same thing over the first 2 weeks of this year.

I remember saying to myself last year, even in games we lost how much we really looked like an NFL offense. I don't really see the same things we were doing last year this year. Where's the misdirection. Where's the route concepts from last year that had receivers hitting different levels, short dump offs, flat routes, mid routes and a WR stretching the field. Now we're running plays where there is one read only. And the route concepts have receivers hitting the same level, sometimes even running routes right next to each other.

It's not the same offense as last year. We have the talent to win our division even with this current scheme we're running on offense. But this team isn't going to the Super Bowl if we continue to run this current offense. It's just too easy to defend against great defenses. Sure, we'll be average and mediocre defenses. Trevor is too good and our recievers are too talented. But against teams like the Chiefs and Dolphins, we're going to have to call games and run plays like the ones we called and ran last year.

(09-18-2023, 02:32 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I keep watching the plays from last year on YouTube and jaguars.com and I just don't even recognize this years offense as being the same as last year.  The routes, the play calls, just look different now compared to last year.  This offense just doesn't even look the same.  Even the games we lost early in the season to the Eagles and Denver still had concepts of route running that I haven't seen at all this year.  It's like we took the entire playbook from last year and just threw it out. 

It just doesn't look the same this year.  I can't explain it.  There were plays last year where the o-line was breaking down and yet there was Trevor finding a receiver that had separation.  I just don't see the same thing over the first 2 weeks of this year.

I remember saying to myself last year, even in games we lost how much we really looked like an NFL offense.  I don't really see the same things we were doing last year this year.  Where's the misdirection.  Where's the route concepts from last year that had receivers hitting different levels, short dump offs, flat routes, mid routes and a WR stretching the field.  Now we're running plays where there is one read only.  And the route concepts have receivers hitting the same level, sometimes even running routes right next to each other. 

It's not the same offense as last year.  We have the talent to win our division even with this current scheme we're running on offense.  But this team isn't going to the Super Bowl if we continue to run this current offense.  It's just too easy to defend against  great defenses.  Sure, we'll be average and mediocre defenses.  Trevor is too good and our recievers are too talented.  But against teams like the Chiefs and Dolphins, we're going to have to call games and run plays like the ones we called and ran last year.

I agree. With the look and feel being different. A lot of what is standing out to me so far is that you're seeing less of Lawrence rolling out left or right with a designed receiver or tight end to essentially mirror him to his side of the field. It really has to be a combination of a new play caller in Press Taylor and the piss poor play of the offensive line. 

We're 1 - 1. We played two solid defensive lines with a premier presence on them in Buckner and Jones respectively. I don't think it's time to panic just yet. They technically did score 31 points in week one. They also went 0/4 in the redzone yesterday. So, it's not like they were failing in moving the football at times. 

Just really piss poor execution, maybe Zay's knee injury tripped him up a bit. Maybe Lawrence is starting to feel more and more pressed to beat the Chiefs since they've had our number now for a good bit, which, it's the Chiefs man, it's okay to get kicked down the hill by the King. 

For me, if they start looking like they did yesterday against our divisional opponents or teams where they should be clearly a step above in quality players across the board, then I would say panic a bit as a fanbase. But, this is still a young team learning how to win. With a suspect line at best. Should be a 10 win squad at the minimum with a divisional title or 6th ot 7th play-off seeding. 

Chargers and Bengals falling to 0 - 2 and the Jets being Rodgerless also help us down the stretch.

(09-18-2023, 01:16 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2023, 01:12 PM)empty Wrote: [ -> ]They had a chance to make a stop whether they went for it or kicked a field goal.  The difference is by going for it you give yourself another shot at the tie if your defense can't make the stop.  Kicking a FG to go down 5 does nothing for you if you risk never seeing the ball again, which is exactly what happened on the Chiefs drive.  The percentages absolutely side with going for it down 8 with 4 minutes left, I'm honestly surprised at the amount of people arguing we should have kicked the FG.

Goes back to what happened in the 1st half. The Chiefs scored their first TD on the game after you failed that 4th down attempt. It's more so about momentum and the ability to regroup. You're also giving your special teams unit another crack at getting a turnover. 

The best part is that, you don't have to worry about playing the percentages game in the 4th quarter down by 8 with four minutes left had you not tried to win a dick measuring contest to begin with in said 1st half. 

Plenty of blame to go around as cited everywhere. It is what it is. We lost.

There is indeed plenty of blame.  Trevor had an off game.  The line, phew.  That was ugly.  We all agree that execution was lacking.  That's a given in most losses.

But the absolute dagger that sealed the loss was the 4th and 5 in the last minutes of the 2nd Quarter.  You nailed it right on the head.  I don't mind a gamble that's in our favor, 4th and 1 or what not.  But a 4th and 5 is low percentage, especially when you have watched your O-Line get mauled for 25 minutes already!  Read the game.  Just because you like to gamble doesn't mean you don't play the odds!

For [BLEEP] sake, any gambler knows that you don't go all in on a 2, 7, off suit.  No matter how aggressive you are.  You're best bet is to fold it and keep yourself in the game for a better opportunity.  I wouldn't blame Press or Doug for going for it on 4th and 1 and they run it or QB sneak and it's stuffed.

But they went for it on 4th and 5 after watching Trevor Lawrence getting absolutely bombarded for the entire half.  And, what's worse, they run a slow developing play that results in a sack!  This is terrible play calling.  This is terrible coaching.  Your Defense is absolutely monsters all half.  And instead of letting them handle things, you put them against the 8 Ball.  

Your Punter has been dropped balls inside the 10 all half.  Your D, with all that field have found ways to eventually stop Mahommes.  And you decide to gamble on a play that wasn't going to work based on how poorly our O-Line has been playing?

The more I think about it, the more it just makes me laugh at how stupid the choice of going for it at that point was.  Just an absolutely stupid decision.  Calling it a "dick measuring" contest is absolutely correct.  The Greek Philosophers called it "Hubris".  And it usually ends up with the character losing their life.  In this case, if this coaching staff continues to put our team in bad situations, their hubris should result in a coaching change.

(09-18-2023, 02:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-18-2023, 02:32 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I keep watching the plays from last year on YouTube and jaguars.com and I just don't even recognize this years offense as being the same as last year.  The routes, the play calls, just look different now compared to last year.  This offense just doesn't even look the same.  Even the games we lost early in the season to the Eagles and Denver still had concepts of route running that I haven't seen at all this year.  It's like we took the entire playbook from last year and just threw it out. 

It just doesn't look the same this year.  I can't explain it.  There were plays last year where the o-line was breaking down and yet there was Trevor finding a receiver that had separation.  I just don't see the same thing over the first 2 weeks of this year.

I remember saying to myself last year, even in games we lost how much we really looked like an NFL offense.  I don't really see the same things we were doing last year this year.  Where's the misdirection.  Where's the route concepts from last year that had receivers hitting different levels, short dump offs, flat routes, mid routes and a WR stretching the field.  Now we're running plays where there is one read only.  And the route concepts have receivers hitting the same level, sometimes even running routes right next to each other. 

It's not the same offense as last year.  We have the talent to win our division even with this current scheme we're running on offense.  But this team isn't going to the Super Bowl if we continue to run this current offense.  It's just too easy to defend against  great defenses.  Sure, we'll be average and mediocre defenses.  Trevor is too good and our recievers are too talented.  But against teams like the Chiefs and Dolphins, we're going to have to call games and run plays like the ones we called and ran last year.

I agree. With the look and feel being different. A lot of what is standing out to me so far is that you're seeing less of Lawrence rolling out left or right with a designed receiver or tight end to essentially mirror him to his side of the field. It really has to be a combination of a new play caller in Press Taylor and the piss poor play of the offensive line. 

We're 1 - 1. We played two solid defensive lines with a premier presence on them in Buckner and Jones respectively. I don't think it's time to panic just yet. They technically did score 31 points in week one. They also went 0/4 in the redzone yesterday. So, it's not like they were failing in moving the football at times. 

Just really piss poor execution, maybe Zay's knee injury tripped him up a bit. Maybe Lawrence is starting to feel more and more pressed to beat the Chiefs since they've had our number now for a good bit, which, it's the Chiefs man, it's okay to get kicked down the hill by the King. 

For me, if they start looking like they did yesterday against our divisional opponents or teams where they should be clearly a step above in quality players across the board, then I would say panic a bit as a fanbase. But, this is still a young team learning how to win. With a suspect line at best. Should be a 10 win squad at the minimum with a divisional title or 6th ot 7th play-off seeding. 

Chargers and Bengals falling to 0 - 2 and the Jets being Rodgerless also help us down the stretch.

Dude, you're dead on about the roll outs.  I mentioned it earlier.  Last year, we had Trevor rolling out with a "chasing" reciever or so many TD plays in the red zone.  We haven't seen any of that.

OK, I just finished watching First Things First.  And man, Bru and Wildes are crapping all over Trevor.  Obviously these jerk stores didn't watch the game or really know what's going on.  But the fact is the same.  This offensive play calling is making our Prince that is Promised look bad.  The play calling is terrible.  And as you mention, it's not like last year.  Even with a bad O-Line, if we called plays like we did last year, we would have scored at least 2 TDs in the redzone.  Instead, we settled for FGs and then crapped the bed another time because we aren't running plays that worked last year.  

It's like we threw out last year's playbook.  I mean, sweet fancy Moses!  We're at the 1 yard line and we run some nonsene play that runs Trevor out to the flat!?!?  Last year Trevor took several QB runs straight up the middle!!!!  This isn't OFFENSE is NOT BEING COACHED BY THE SAME PERSON AS LAST YEAR'S TEAM.  Let's just all accept this reality.   Just looks at these highlights:  https://www.jaguars.com/video/highlight-...022-season   It's just not the same...

Look, I'm not a hater.  Matter of fact, I'm Die Hard on the talent of this team.  But the coaching is bad right now.  Like really bad.  And dude, if Pederson is going to let his buddy continue to sabatage this offense because of his loyalty to an incompetent dude that I'm sure is a really great friend, then what the hell are we doing here?  This is about winning a Super Bowl.  This isn't about letting your homie get paid.  This about winning.

On a side note, Zay's injury came from that terrible Agnew sweep route that turned into a backwards lateral turnover.  I'm hoping Zay is OK.  But he may well have a torn ligament in his knee.  All on a crappy paly call that, if you watch the replay...  The entire KC Linebacker corps and the entire KC sencondary was just waiting for Trevor to throw it out to the flat to Agnew.  It was obvious.  If this was last year's team, Agnew's running out to the flat would have been a misdirection and we would have had counter routes to the other side of the field.

This offensive scheme and play calling is just not good enough against the top 4 teams of the NFL.  (KC, Miami, Dallas, 49ers)

Additionally, if we continue to run our offense like this, teams like ATL, Pitt, Buff, Bal, and CLE can keep the game close enough so that a flukey play or penalty would cost us a loss.  This team can wind up with only 7 wins if we continue to let this offense be run the way it currently is and we run into a streak of bad luck.  That's all I'm saying.  Next week's game is important in so much as that we need to prove that this offense is actually legitimate.

Poorly designed plays.
Predictable gadget plays every time Agnew is on the field.
Piss poor Oline play from everyone but Little.
Reckless aggressive plays on 4th down.
Subpar performance by the Prince.
Lack of execution by receivers except Engram.

That’s a lot to clean up in one week.

Agnew should only see snaps as PR/KR. Let’s see what Jones, Cook, and Washington can do.
Add rollouts with a big receiver shadowing Trevor.
Sign the best street IOL you can find.
Run a LOT of 2 TE sets.

Good summary of the threads?

Every single one of these things would help.


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