(12-19-2023, 06:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2023, 06:14 PM)Mowerguy Wrote: [ -> ]This /\ /\ /\
I'm an amateur and even I can predict what we're going to do
Can only imagine what the pros that play us can do
If you watch any offense enough you can predict a lot of situational calls.
Every coach has a philosophy in each situation - and they will make themselves apparent over time.
The offense is incapable of executing the plays called too often whether they are predicted or not.
A few weeks ago our three top receiving targets all ranked in the upper 25% of the league in separation.
From what I've watched, i'd wager that still holds true.
So they are getting well open on these supposedly predictable plays.
The problem lies in the execution.
The run game comes down to the line much more than x's and o's
I've seen at least three offensive coordinators, get completely roasted by this fan base for every little thing, picked apart six ways from Sunday, cursed over and over again on these message boards as incompetent idiots -- and then two years later they're in the playoffs and winning games/ calling plays for another team.
Attacking the play caller is an easy thing to do, and an even easier thing to get wrong.
Do us a favor and take a break from here. You lost your marbles.
(12-19-2023, 06:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Attacking the play caller is an easy thing to do, and an even easier thing to get wrong.
The play caller has to find plays where the OL can run the ball.
The Jags were actually able to run the ball some in the Ravens game. Then the play calls changed and the running was stopped because they went back to the inside shotgun runs.
The OL can be an issue and the OC can be an issue. OCs get fired all the time because the players aren't successful.
It's not about who can draw up the best offense ever, it's about calling plays that the players on the field can run against the defense they are facing. You just stated the OL isn't playing good and the WRs are actually getting open. Well guess what ... it's the OC's job to NOT KEEP CALLING THE SAME PLAYS.
It's shame on them if someone fools you once, shame on yourself if they fool you again. The OC has now been fooled in the double digits and keeps trying to do the same thing but expecting the execution to magically be better now.
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(12-19-2023, 06:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2023, 06:14 PM)Mowerguy Wrote: [ -> ]This /\ /\ /\
I'm an amateur and even I can predict what we're going to do
Can only imagine what the pros that play us can do
If you watch any offense enough you can predict a lot of situational calls.
Every coach has a philosophy in each situation - and they will make themselves apparent over time.
The offense is incapable of executing the plays called too often whether they are predicted or not.
A few weeks ago our three top receiving targets all ranked in the upper 25% of the league in separation.
From what I've watched, i'd wager that still holds true.
So they are getting well open on these supposedly predictable plays
So how come the plays arent being called since they are "getting open".... it works both ways.
Like it or not, coaching is very important in the NFL and its not just about scheming players open it's also about calling the right play at the right time....
(12-20-2023, 07:24 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2023, 06:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If you watch any offense enough you can predict a lot of situational calls.
Every coach has a philosophy in each situation - and they will make themselves apparent over time.
The offense is incapable of executing the plays called too often whether they are predicted or not.
A few weeks ago our three top receiving targets all ranked in the upper 25% of the league in separation.
From what I've watched, i'd wager that still holds true.
So they are getting well open on these supposedly predictable plays
So how come the plays arent being called since they are "getting open".... it works both ways.
Like it or not, coaching is very important in the NFL and its not just about scheming players open it's also about calling the right play at the right time....
The bolded makes no sense.
They couldn't track the metric if the plays weren't being called.
Like it or not - if your QB isn't Michael Vick or Patrick Mahomes - having the worst line in the league is going to affect your passing game. Not to mention the bad play from the skill positions.
Additionally - Short mesh passes, tunnel screens, slip screens, RB swing passes - all of this stuff was a big part of Pederson's offense last year, and long before that.
Suddenly now that someone else is calling those same plays, fans think they don't like it. They sure as hell liked it the latter half of last year when Taylor called half the game anyway.
For every play call pointed out as "bad" this year - I'd wager you can look through the 2022 tape and find an example of the same play or slight variation of it being called in the same or similar situation. In most cases you'd find many examples.
Yet this year it's bad, while last year it was the second coming Walter Camp.
All of this blaming Taylor for a dysfunctional offense built on a horrible line and riddled with mistake-filled play is just some really lazy analysis by fans who don't understand what they are watching.
There are better play callers out there for sure - but he's doing fine enough. The players are not.
(12-20-2023, 03:16 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2023, 06:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Attacking the play caller is an easy thing to do, and an even easier thing to get wrong.
The play caller has to find plays where the OL can run the ball.
The Jags were actually able to run the ball some in the Ravens game. Then the play calls changed and the running was stopped because they went back to the inside shotgun runs.
The OL can be an issue and the OC can be an issue. OCs get fired all the time because the players aren't successful.
It's not about who can draw up the best offense ever, it's about calling plays that the players on the field can run against the defense they are facing. You just stated the OL isn't playing good and the WRs are actually getting open. Well guess what ... it's the OC's job to NOT KEEP CALLING THE SAME PLAYS.
It's shame on them if someone fools you once, shame on yourself if they fool you again. The OC has now been fooled in the double digits and keeps trying to do the same thing but expecting the execution to magically be better now.
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You should go back and watch the run plays from that game and rethink your "analysis"
You guys really think that if Taylor was dialing up play after play that were so predictable and destined to fail that Pederson would just stand by with his hands in his pockets? LOL
It isn't the play calls. It's the execution.
(12-20-2023, 09:01 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2023, 08:15 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/robertmays/status/17...915L-t18Xg
Carpedamus when he sees this:
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I don't think that tweet is about the playcalling so much as it is about the execution.
Drops and fumbles aren't a result of bad playcalling. Our screens are most likely a result of poor blocking by the WRs.
(12-20-2023, 10:01 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2023, 09:01 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Carpedamus when he sees this:
I don't think that tweet is about the playcalling so much as it is about the execution.
Drops and fumbles aren't a result of bad playcalling. Our screens are most likely a result of poor blocking by the WRs.
I know. He won't though. He'll come in here like a wrecking ball any minute now. Carpecyrus.
(12-20-2023, 09:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You should go back and watch the run plays from that game and rethink your "analysis"
You guys really think that if Taylor was dialing up play after play that were so predictable and destined to fail that Pederson would just stand by with his hands in his pockets? LOL
It isn't the play calls. It's the execution.
From this game, the scripted plays allowed them to run the ball. We don't know what Pederson is doing during the game.
You can't keep blaming execution. It's the OC and HC's job to get the team to execute the plays.
So again, they are failing as coaches to call the right plays or teach them how to execute. You can argue semantics all you want while the Jags continue to lose. Press is failing at his job.
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(12-20-2023, 05:36 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2023, 09:40 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You should go back and watch the run plays from that game and rethink your "analysis"
You guys really think that if Taylor was dialing up play after play that were so predictable and destined to fail that Pederson would just stand by with his hands in his pockets? LOL
It isn't the play calls. It's the execution.
From this game, the scripted plays allowed them to run the ball. We don't know what Pederson is doing during the game.
You can't keep blaming execution. It's the OC and HC's job to get the team to execute the plays.
So again, they are failing as coaches to call the right plays or teach them how to execute. You can argue semantics all you want while the Jags continue to lose. Press is failing at his job.
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You are saying that no matter who is playing in the game for us, there is a way to win. That's obviously nonsense. The weakness in our offensive line has left the play caller with few options. Other teams take away the run, pin back their ears and rush the passer, cover tight because they know Trevor has to get the ball out quickly, and what play does the OC call at that point that have any chance of success? At that point, it's a miracle that we can move the ball much at all.
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Play calling is certainly not been great, but execution by the QB/WRs/OL have been more to blame than anything.
(12-20-2023, 08:06 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Play calling is certainly not been great, but execution by the QB/WRs/OL have been more to blame than anything.
Play calling has made this team top 10 in points per game even with those terrible team stats listed elsewhere. As much as Carp8 can't accept it, the coaches are being let down by the players.
(12-20-2023, 08:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2023, 08:06 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Play calling is certainly not been great, but execution by the QB/WRs/OL have been more to blame than anything.
Play calling has made this team top 10 in points per game even with those terrible team stats listed elsewhere. As much as Carp8 can't accept it, the coaches are being let down by the players.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, one of this team's biggest problems is Trevor and the coaching staff are doing a great job making up for terrible talent acquisition of Baalke, and they might cause Khan to think he should keep giving him longer, wasting a significant part of, if not all of, Trevor's career.
(12-19-2023, 07:16 PM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2023, 06:23 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]If you watch any offense enough you can predict a lot of situational calls.
Every coach has a philosophy in each situation - and they will make themselves apparent over time.
The offense is incapable of executing the plays called too often whether they are predicted or not.
A few weeks ago our three top receiving targets all ranked in the upper 25% of the league in separation.
From what I've watched, i'd wager that still holds true.
So they are getting well open on these supposedly predictable plays.
The problem lies in the execution.
The run game comes down to the line much more than x's and o's
I've seen at least three offensive coordinators, get completely roasted by this fan base for every little thing, picked apart six ways from Sunday, cursed over and over again on these message boards as incompetent idiots -- and then two years later they're in the playoffs and winning games/ calling plays for another team.
Attacking the play caller is an easy thing to do, and an even easier thing to get wrong.
Do us a favor and take a break from here. You lost your marbles.
Buddy, NYC has forgotten more than you'll ever know
(12-20-2023, 08:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2023, 08:06 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Play calling is certainly not been great, but execution by the QB/WRs/OL have been more to blame than anything.
Play calling has made this team top 10 in points per game even with those terrible team stats listed elsewhere. As much as Carp8 can't accept it, the coaches are being let down by the players.
Gotta look deeper than just stating that we're top 10 in points, we're also top 5 in terms of offensive drives which can be accredited to the fact that we are tied with the 49ers for most defensive takeaways.
Let's look deeper
We have run 4,788 offensive plays this year. We've scored 319 points. The Colts have ran 4,754 plays, and have scored 344 points. The saints have scored 10 less points than us on over 100 less offensive plays. The Bengals with a backup QB have scored 10 less points than us, on 350 or so LESS plays. This offense has not been effecient when you take into account the surplus amounts of oppurtunities they've been gifted by the D.
Realistically speaking, if our defense hadn't played so well for the majority of the season we would not be 8-6, this offense has been below average in general the entire year. There are many factors that go into this, whether you think the playcalling is poor, Trevor isn't playing well, WRs have been underwelming, O line has been terrible, ETN has not been super effective because the O line lets him get hit in the backfield 90% of the time.. dosen't matter, pick your poison but this offense has been terrible and we're lucky to even have 8 wins.
I mean you know it's a [BLEEP] shown on offense when I of all people isn't fully putting blame on Trevor lol. If he was playing terribly i'd be the first to point it out, but the truth is that the entire offensive side of the ball has been out of sync.
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