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Ridley 2 yards a catch on the infamous jags screen plays.

(12-20-2023, 08:15 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/robertmays/status/17...915L-t18Xg

Obviously the answer is to keep running those screens.

I also like the shotgun formation on 4th and short.

I’m a huge believer in, it’s not about the X’s and O’s but more about the Jim and Joe’s, as Boselli explained. But I do think a play caller has to be in rhythm and situationally aware of what play needs to be called.

If you go back to Indy in week 1, the Jaguars lined up in pistol/shotgun and ran 3 dive plays in a row, and they were all 3 to the same hole on the same side.

That’s when it became a problem. They ran 3 plays in a row at All-World DT, DeForest Buckner, and all 3 times they were stopped for 0 yards.

(12-21-2023, 07:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m a huge believer in, it’s not about the X’s and O’s but more about the Jim and Joe’s, as Boselli explained. But I do think a play caller has to be in rhythm and situationally aware of what play needs to be called.

If you go back to Indy in week 1, the Jaguars lined up in pistol/shotgun and ran 3 dive plays in a row, and they were all 3 to the same hole on the same side.

That’s when it became a problem. They ran 3 plays in a row at All-World DT, DeForest Buckner, and all 3 times they were stopped for 0 yards.

I'm not saying the play calling is perfect.  What I am saying is the play caller is severely handicapped by the physical weakness of our offensive line.  It's very hard to call pass plays that work consistently when the opposing team can shut down our running game so easily.  We become one-dimensional, the opposing team rushes the passer and covers the checkdown tightly, and play calling becomes really hard.

(12-21-2023, 09:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-21-2023, 07:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m a huge believer in, it’s not about the X’s and O’s but more about the Jim and Joe’s, as Boselli explained. But I do think a play caller has to be in rhythm and situationally aware of what play needs to be called.

If you go back to Indy in week 1, the Jaguars lined up in pistol/shotgun and ran 3 dive plays in a row, and they were all 3 to the same hole on the same side.

That’s when it became a problem. They ran 3 plays in a row at All-World DT, DeForest Buckner, and all 3 times they were stopped for 0 yards.

I'm not saying the play calling is perfect.  What I am saying is the play caller is severely handicapped by the physical weakness of our offensive line.  It's very hard to call pass plays that work consistently when the opposing team can shut down our running game so easily.  We become one-dimensional, the opposing team rushes the passer and covers the checkdown tightly, and play calling becomes really hard.

Yeah. It's like trying to build the rest of your home on a really bad foundation. Sure, you can get away with it for awhile, but, at some point, that foundation will cause something to slip, snap and tumble because it was never properly set to begin with.

There's only so much you can get away with here. Sure, statistically and EPA speaking, yes, we stand to have a better shot at running the football to the left side of the line Vs. the right side of the line. 

However, that eventually gets snuffed out, and, even when we run it over there? We're barely moving the needle. We're expecting Trevor Lawrence and Press Taylor to create this "Miraculous Stair" like they're inside the Loretto Chapel and it's just not happening, because, again, the foundation is just not there.

(12-21-2023, 07:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m a huge believer in, it’s not about the X’s and O’s but more about the Jim and Joe’s, as Boselli explained. But I do think a play caller has to be in rhythm and situationally aware of what play needs to be called.

If you go back to Indy in week 1, the Jaguars lined up in pistol/shotgun and ran 3 dive plays in a row, and they were all 3 to the same hole on the same side.

That’s when it became a problem. They ran 3 plays in a row at All-World DT, DeForest Buckner, and all 3 times they were stopped for 0 yards.

This must be why we beat the Colts twice scoring 37 and 31 points.
That horrible play calling. 

And really?? 

Week ONE??

I'll give a new OC a [BLEEP] cigar for trying to establish a run game in week one. 
Not a bad way to figure out what you've got up front. 
He learned what he needed to it would appear if that's your best example. 
Week One.

(12-21-2023, 10:21 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-21-2023, 07:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m a huge believer in, it’s not about the X’s and O’s but more about the Jim and Joe’s, as Boselli explained. But I do think a play caller has to be in rhythm and situationally aware of what play needs to be called.

If you go back to Indy in week 1, the Jaguars lined up in pistol/shotgun and ran 3 dive plays in a row, and they were all 3 to the same hole on the same side.

That’s when it became a problem. They ran 3 plays in a row at All-World DT, DeForest Buckner, and all 3 times they were stopped for 0 yards.

This must be why we beat the Colts twice scoring 37 and 31 points.
That horrible play calling. 

And really?? 

Week ONE??

I'll give a new OC a [BLEEP] cigar for trying to establish a run game in week one. 
Not a bad way to figure out what you've got up front. 
He learned what he needed to it would appear if that's your best example. 
Week One.

Look Fat, if they don't have it figured out by the second drive of the season then we need to [BLEEP] fire everybody. That just can't happen.

https://twitter.com/DanDGriffis/status/1...k8b-Q&s=19

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Taylor is 16th or 17th based on that chart and ranking play caller wise. Middle of the pack with a basement level offensive line and basement level running game.

Interesting. It's a miracle the team is 8 - 6 with our rushing failures on par with the 0 - 16 Browns from 2017.

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(12-21-2023, 09:52 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-21-2023, 09:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not saying the play calling is perfect.  What I am saying is the play caller is severely handicapped by the physical weakness of our offensive line.  It's very hard to call pass plays that work consistently when the opposing team can shut down our running game so easily.  We become one-dimensional, the opposing team rushes the passer and covers the checkdown tightly, and play calling becomes really hard.

Yeah. It's like trying to build the rest of your home on a really bad foundation. Sure, you can get away with it for awhile, but, at some point, that foundation will cause something to slip, snap and tumble because it was never properly set to begin with.

There's only so much you can get away with here. Sure, statistically and EPA speaking, yes, we stand to have a better shot at running the football to the left side of the line Vs. the right side of the line. 

However, that eventually gets snuffed out, and, even when we run it over there? We're barely moving the needle. We're expecting Trevor Lawrence and Press Taylor to create this "Miraculous Stair" like they're inside the Loretto Chapel and it's just not happening, because, again, the foundation is just not there.

+1 for the Loretto Chapel reference.

(12-20-2023, 11:40 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-20-2023, 08:15 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/robertmays/status/17...915L-t18Xg

Obviously the answer is to keep running those screens.

I also like the shotgun formation on 4th and short.

Reminds me of the movie major league when all the batters keep swinging at the first pitch. The next person to swing at the first damn pitch ….. lol 

Stop with the screens and call mid range routes please. Just do it. In’s and outs and crossers and picks (careful picks)

(12-21-2023, 05:13 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-20-2023, 11:40 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Obviously the answer is to keep running those screens.

I also like the shotgun formation on 4th and short.

Reminds me of the movie major league when all the batters keep swinging at the first pitch. The next person to swing at the first damn pitch ….. lol 

Stop with the screens and call mid range routes please. Just do it. In’s and outs and crossers and picks (careful picks)

Not gonna happen until the run game can function - which is not gonna happen till you fix the OL. 

If you don't like screens and passes short of the sticks, then you absolutely have the wrong head coach, and you had better convince him to convince the GM to fix the OL.

(12-21-2023, 09:52 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-21-2023, 09:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not saying the play calling is perfect.  What I am saying is the play caller is severely handicapped by the physical weakness of our offensive line.  It's very hard to call pass plays that work consistently when the opposing team can shut down our running game so easily.  We become one-dimensional, the opposing team rushes the passer and covers the checkdown tightly, and play calling becomes really hard.

Yeah. It's like trying to build the rest of your home on a really bad foundation. Sure, you can get away with it for awhile, but, at some point, that foundation will cause something to slip, snap and tumble because it was never properly set to begin with.

There's only so much you can get away with here. Sure, statistically and EPA speaking, yes, we stand to have a better shot at running the football to the left side of the line Vs. the right side of the line. 

However, that eventually gets snuffed out, and, even when we run it over there? We're barely moving the needle. We're expecting Trevor Lawrence and Press Taylor to create this "Miraculous Stair" like they're inside the Loretto Chapel and it's just not happening, because, again, the foundation is just not there.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying he is bad because he knows the foundation is bad and crumbling, but he continues to try and build the house as if the foundation is fine. If the wall keeps falling over, you don't just keep building it the same way and expect it to stay up.

If Press keeps calling the same plays that fail week after week, then he deserves to be fired. The OL is bad and you aren't going to fix it by just executing the play better. You have to find something they can do well. It's certainly not easy and knowledgeable OCs get fired all the time because they have bad players. Great coaches adjust to their players and their strengths. Press hasn't done this.

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(12-21-2023, 09:52 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-21-2023, 09:47 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not saying the play calling is perfect.  What I am saying is the play caller is severely handicapped by the physical weakness of our offensive line.  It's very hard to call pass plays that work consistently when the opposing team can shut down our running game so easily.  We become one-dimensional, the opposing team rushes the passer and covers the checkdown tightly, and play calling becomes really hard.

Yeah. It's like trying to build the rest of your home on a really bad foundation. Sure, you can get away with it for awhile, but, at some point, that foundation will cause something to slip, snap and tumble because it was never properly set to begin with.

There's only so much you can get away with here. Sure, statistically and EPA speaking, yes, we stand to have a better shot at running the football to the left side of the line Vs. the right side of the line. 

However, that eventually gets snuffed out, and, even when we run it over there? We're barely moving the needle. We're expecting Trevor Lawrence and Press Taylor to create this "Miraculous Stair" like they're inside the Loretto Chapel and it's just not happening, because, again, the foundation is just not there.

Bad comparision.

Your comment suggest that do nothing because your already against odds.

(12-21-2023, 10:21 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-21-2023, 07:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m a huge believer in, it’s not about the X’s and O’s but more about the Jim and Joe’s, as Boselli explained. But I do think a play caller has to be in rhythm and situationally aware of what play needs to be called.

If you go back to Indy in week 1, the Jaguars lined up in pistol/shotgun and ran 3 dive plays in a row, and they were all 3 to the same hole on the same side.

That’s when it became a problem. They ran 3 plays in a row at All-World DT, DeForest Buckner, and all 3 times they were stopped for 0 yards.

This must be why we beat the Colts twice scoring 37 and 31 points.
That horrible play calling. 

And really?? 

Week ONE??

I'll give a new OC a [BLEEP] cigar for trying to establish a run game in week one. 
Not a bad way to figure out what you've got up front. 
He learned what he needed to it would appear if that's your best example. 
Week One.

You should be more situationally aware of what I typed and stop being out of rhythm.

(12-22-2023, 06:57 AM)Shad Khans Mustache Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-21-2023, 09:52 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. It's like trying to build the rest of your home on a really bad foundation. Sure, you can get away with it for awhile, but, at some point, that foundation will cause something to slip, snap and tumble because it was never properly set to begin with.

There's only so much you can get away with here. Sure, statistically and EPA speaking, yes, we stand to have a better shot at running the football to the left side of the line Vs. the right side of the line. 

However, that eventually gets snuffed out, and, even when we run it over there? We're barely moving the needle. We're expecting Trevor Lawrence and Press Taylor to create this "Miraculous Stair" like they're inside the Loretto Chapel and it's just not happening, because, again, the foundation is just not there.

Bad comparision.

Your comment suggest that do nothing because your already against odds.

And your comment suggests they are "doing nothing." 

Which is bull [BLEEP], of course.  

They mix in wrinkles and adjust their game plan for every opponent. Precious few of their adjustments have positive effect because the opponents each week have all studied the same tape of our glaring weaknesses. 

And of course - our offensive players are on a nice little streak of shooting themselves squarely in the foot about 9 times per game with penalties and poorly executed plays.

We run a double reverse to put ourselves out of scoring range...

The coaching/playcalling SEVERELY lacks situational awareness and is the sole reason why I created this thread. For boneheaded situations like this once again.

(12-24-2023, 05:54 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]We run a double reverse to put ourselves out of scoring range...

The coaching/playcalling SEVERELY lacks situational awareness and is the sole reason why I created this thread. For boneheaded situations like this once again.

They didn't run a double reverse.

(12-24-2023, 08:03 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-24-2023, 05:54 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]We run a double reverse to put ourselves out of scoring range...

The coaching/playcalling SEVERELY lacks situational awareness and is the sole reason why I created this thread. For boneheaded situations like this once again.

They didn't run a double reverse.

You're right, it was a reverse but in that moment it's just as "cute" of a play as a double reverse or any other gadget play.

(12-24-2023, 08:07 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-24-2023, 08:03 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They didn't run a double reverse.

You're right, it was a reverse but in that moment it's just as "cute" of a play as a double reverse or any other gadget play.

That play is a staple of the Pederson offense, the Reid offense, and the Gibbs offense that it came from.

(12-24-2023, 08:07 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-24-2023, 08:03 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They didn't run a double reverse.

You're right, it was a reverse but in that moment it's just as "cute" of a play as a double reverse or any other gadget play.

Exactly. It’s not the plays that are called but the moments in the game when they are called.