(09-25-2023, 01:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 12:39 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Press Taylor did not drop a single touchdown pass the last two games. 3 of our receivers did. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not fumble a single carry or overthrow a single pass this season. But 39 and 16 have. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not give up a single sack or pressure the last two games. All of our linemen have. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not miss a sack or get stonewalled by an offensive lineman in the last two games. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not allow a blocked field goal or return for a touchdown in the last two games. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not blow deep coverage on a single pass the last two games. There's your issue.
What Press Taylor actually did do, make a couple bad play calls, was completely corrected this week. He ran it, went for it appropriately, kicked FGs at the right moment. Everything that was wrong in weeks 1 and 2 was done right yesterday.
The current whipping boy for all you people would be completely vindicated if the people around him would do their damn jobs. Almost like the quarterback discussion from the past two seasons, you've just picked a new target for your bellyaching.
Why would Doug do this then if Press play calling isn't a problem? It was one one of the many problems!
https://x.com/MiaOBrienTV/status/1706051...63067?s=20
We are also last on 3rd down %.
Once again it seems you've swallowed a load of crap.
(09-25-2023, 12:39 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 12:12 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe we're just arguing the different sides of the same coin? To me, the lack of execution is because Press took over the offense. We don't know what's happening at practice. We don't know what's happening in the film room.
All we can tell is that there is something off about this year's offense compared to last years offense. The only thing we can really know is that last year, Pederson was much more involved in all the aspects of the offense. This year, we're told that Press has taken over the play calling. Is it possible he also took over the film study? Is it possible he'd also been given more responsibility on how practice is run?
To me, this all revolves around the fact that, besides Ridley and Harrison beging added, our starting lineup is almost exactly like last year. So what changed? The execution. To me, a coaching staff has a lot to do with how well a team executes things.
Last year we executed way better than we did so far this year. What's changed? Ridley and Harrison? That's why the entire offense has collapsed? Obviously not. But, if you were to tell me that Pederson handed over the majority of the offensive decision making to Press Taylor, then it becomes obvious why we've started so sloppy.
Press Taylor did not drop a single touchdown pass the last two games. 3 of our receivers did. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not fumble a single carry or overthrow a single pass this season. But 39 and 16 have. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not give up a single sack or pressure the last two games. All of our linemen have. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not miss a sack or get stonewalled by an offensive lineman in the last two games. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not allow a blocked field goal or return for a touchdown in the last two games. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not blow deep coverage on a single pass the last two games. There's your issue.
What Press Taylor actually did do, make a couple bad play calls, was completely corrected this week. He ran it, went for it appropriately, kicked FGs at the right moment. Everything that was wrong in weeks 1 and 2 was done right yesterday.
The current whipping boy for all you people would be completely vindicated if the people around him would do their damn jobs. Almost like the quarterback discussion from the past two seasons, you've just picked a new target for your bellyaching.
All we can tell is that there is something off about this year's offense compared to last years offense. The only thing we can really know is that last year, Pederson was much more involved in all the aspects of the offense. This year, we're told that Press has taken over the play calling. Is it possible he also took over the film study? Is it possible he'd also been given more responsibility on how practice is run?
To me, this all revolves around the fact that, besides Ridley and Harrison beging added, our starting lineup is almost exactly like last year. So what changed? The execution. To me, a coaching staff has a lot to do with how well a team executes things.
Last year we executed way better than we did so far this year. What's changed? Ridley and Harrison? That's why the entire offense has collapsed? Obviously not. But, if you were to tell me that Pederson handed over the majority of the offensive decision making to Press Taylor, then it becomes obvious why we've started so sloppy.
(09-25-2023, 01:09 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 12:39 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Press Taylor did not drop a single touchdown pass the last two games. 3 of our receivers did. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not fumble a single carry or overthrow a single pass this season. But 39 and 16 have. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not give up a single sack or pressure the last two games. All of our linemen have. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not miss a sack or get stonewalled by an offensive lineman in the last two games. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not allow a blocked field goal or return for a touchdown in the last two games. There's your issue.
Press Taylor did not blow deep coverage on a single pass the last two games. There's your issue.
What Press Taylor actually did do, make a couple bad play calls, was completely corrected this week. He ran it, went for it appropriately, kicked FGs at the right moment. Everything that was wrong in weeks 1 and 2 was done right yesterday.
The current whipping boy for all you people would be completely vindicated if the people around him would do their damn jobs. Almost like the quarterback discussion from the past two seasons, you've just picked a new target for your bellyaching.
All we can tell is that there is something off about this year's offense compared to last years offense. The only thing we can really know is that last year, Pederson was much more involved in all the aspects of the offense. This year, we're told that Press has taken over the play calling. Is it possible he also took over the film study? Is it possible he'd also been given more responsibility on how practice is run?
To me, this all revolves around the fact that, besides Ridley and Harrison beging added, our starting lineup is almost exactly like last year. So what changed? The execution. To me, a coaching staff has a lot to do with how well a team executes things.
Last year we executed way better than we did so far this year. What's changed? Ridley and Harrison? That's why the entire offense has collapsed? Obviously not. But, if you were to tell me that Pederson handed over the majority of the offensive decision making to Press Taylor, then it becomes obvious why we've started so sloppy.
You don't KNOW the second sentence, you're making an assumption.. Why can't you just accept that the players aren't playing well? Taylor isn't coaching defense or Teams and they played like crap yesterday. Why are you so obsessed with this guy? It seems weirdly personal to you.
Doug is gonna quickly lose me as a supporter if he keeps holding onto Press Taylor like he did in Philly.
(09-25-2023, 01:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 01:09 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]All we can tell is that there is something off about this year's offense compared to last years offense. The only thing we can really know is that last year, Pederson was much more involved in all the aspects of the offense. This year, we're told that Press has taken over the play calling. Is it possible he also took over the film study? Is it possible he'd also been given more responsibility on how practice is run?
To me, this all revolves around the fact that, besides Ridley and Harrison beging added, our starting lineup is almost exactly like last year. So what changed? The execution. To me, a coaching staff has a lot to do with how well a team executes things.
Last year we executed way better than we did so far this year. What's changed? Ridley and Harrison? That's why the entire offense has collapsed? Obviously not. But, if you were to tell me that Pederson handed over the majority of the offensive decision making to Press Taylor, then it becomes obvious why we've started so sloppy.
You don't KNOW the second sentence, you're making an assumption.. Why can't you just accept that the players aren't playing well? Taylor isn't coaching defense or Teams and they played like crap yesterday. Why are you so obsessed with this guy? It seems weirdly personal to you.
Woah, so you think that Press Taylor was running the offense last year? LOL. OK. Well, I think you're wrong. The entire Jagaurs fanbase I guess was assuming Pederson was running the offense last year:
https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2023/6/4/2...contenders
Why am I obsessed with why we suck so bad this year? Is it personal to me? Yeah, I guess you're right it is personal. I hate having to watch a garbage product on Sundays... It's absolutely annoying to me. So yeah, I guess I take that personally. In so much that I don't like wasting a Sunday watching garbage, and from thinking about why we're so garbage, I've come to a specific conclusion based on the the facts.
Our starters on Offense have changed very little from last year. And yet this offense looks completely different than what it looked like last year in terms of plays ran as well as execution. The one main change is that at the start of the season, Pederson said that Press will be calling plays. Last year the play calling and execution does not look anything like it does this year. I've come to a conclusion, based on how little the personelle has changed, it's very likely that Press Taylor now running the offense is the reason for the offense being run so poorly.
I mean, I don't think that my conclusion is so radical. To be honest, it seems the only logical conclusion.
Edit: Ian Rappapprt confirmed that Pederson was the play caller last year,
https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/...2_37229119
Come on, don't be that guy that tries to be contrarian for the sake of it. It's obvious that Pederson was 100% in control of the offense last year. This year looks completely different.
(09-25-2023, 12:52 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Searcy just made a good point on the radio. He said what you see on Sunday is what was expected from the team during the week. Again, he seems to be referencing poor practice and preparation.
Than why Doug consisently says that their having a great practice?
(09-25-2023, 01:41 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 12:52 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Searcy just made a good point on the radio. He said what you see on Sunday is what was expected from the team during the week. Again, he seems to be referencing poor practice and preparation.
Than why Doug consisently says that their having a great practice?
He literally said they had a bad week of practice last week????
(09-25-2023, 01:51 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 01:41 PM)BaLLin4Life Wrote: [ -> ]Than why Doug consisently says that their having a great practice?
He literally said they had a bad week of practice last week????
I think Pederson admitted that the week of practice leading up to the KC game was a bad week of practice. I believe he said that this week looked better... But I wonder if maybe he was just wishful thinking. That offense looked like they were just going through the motions all damn day. The D didn't look much better except for the very first series....
https://twitter.com/ShaunBijani/status/1...gr%5Etweet
This tool for the texans who picked it off in the second half said what we already know in more polite words…
We are RPO on 1st and second down.
Then naturally on third we more often than not are put in position where Trevor has to hold the ball longer…. Go figure we have to throw the ball on third and longer.
Drastically altering the way teams scheme our offense .
Bottom line is whoever is calling the plays it is painfully obvious that it isn’t the same as last year.
We are developing obvious tendencies which allow defenses to know when to pressure us and puts our struggling o line in harder situations to hold up against more exotic pressure packages on later downs…
Where is the creativity we saw last year ? Where is the ball distribution? Right now we are funneling the ball into Etienne’s hands up the middle or quick bubble screens on early downs which results in less explosive plays and longer drives and more obvious later down passing situations.
We need to be more aggressive ! Mix in intermediate and deep passing game with the run in early downs to try to keep defenses on their heels with all of our skill players.
Pretty bad play calling and pretty bad execution.
(09-25-2023, 01:40 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 01:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]You don't KNOW the second sentence, you're making an assumption.. Why can't you just accept that the players aren't playing well? Taylor isn't coaching defense or Teams and they played like crap yesterday. Why are you so obsessed with this guy? It seems weirdly personal to you.
Woah, so you think that Press Taylor was running the offense last year? LOL. OK. Well, I think you're wrong. The entire Jagaurs fanbase I guess was assuming Pederson was running the offense last year: https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2023/6/4/2...contenders
Why am I obsessed with why we suck so bad this year? Is it personal to me? Yeah, I guess you're right it is personal. I hate having to watch a garbage product on Sundays... It's absolutely annoying to me. So yeah, I guess I take that personally. In so much that I don't like wasting a Sunday watching garbage, and from thinking about why we're so garbage, I've come to a specific conclusion based on the the facts.
Our starters on Offense have changed very little from last year. And yet this offense looks completely different than what it looked like last year in terms of plays ran as well as execution. The one main change is that at the start of the season, Pederson said that Press will be calling plays. Last year the play calling and execution does not look anything like it does this year. I've come to a conclusion, based on how little the personelle has changed, it's very likely that Press Taylor now running the offense is the reason for the offense being run so poorly.
I mean, I don't think that my conclusion is so radical. To be honest, it seems the only logical conclusion.
Edit: Ian Rappapprt confirmed that Pederson was the play caller last year, https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/...2_37229119
Come on, don't be that guy that tries to be contrarian for the sake of it. It's obvious that Pederson was 100% in control of the offense last year. This year looks completely different.
Your conclusion is radical in that you are overlooking that guys making the plays and blaming the guy calling them. If the guys making the plays would quit doing stupid [BLEEP] everything would be fine. This isn't Madden, there isn't a wireless controller for a bystander to Truck Stick or Ball Hawk a guy. Either Ridley catches the perfectly thrown touchdown pass or ONLY Ridley is the reason it wasn't caught but you want to blame the coach. I'm not being contrarian, I'm simply seeing that the guy on the sideline isn't the reason 39 can't hold on to the ball or Agent Zero has it clang off his hands.
(09-25-2023, 02:47 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 01:40 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Woah, so you think that Press Taylor was running the offense last year? LOL. OK. Well, I think you're wrong. The entire Jagaurs fanbase I guess was assuming Pederson was running the offense last year: https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2023/6/4/2...contenders
Why am I obsessed with why we suck so bad this year? Is it personal to me? Yeah, I guess you're right it is personal. I hate having to watch a garbage product on Sundays... It's absolutely annoying to me. So yeah, I guess I take that personally. In so much that I don't like wasting a Sunday watching garbage, and from thinking about why we're so garbage, I've come to a specific conclusion based on the the facts.
Our starters on Offense have changed very little from last year. And yet this offense looks completely different than what it looked like last year in terms of plays ran as well as execution. The one main change is that at the start of the season, Pederson said that Press will be calling plays. Last year the play calling and execution does not look anything like it does this year. I've come to a conclusion, based on how little the personelle has changed, it's very likely that Press Taylor now running the offense is the reason for the offense being run so poorly.
I mean, I don't think that my conclusion is so radical. To be honest, it seems the only logical conclusion.
Edit: Ian Rappapprt confirmed that Pederson was the play caller last year, https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/...2_37229119
Come on, don't be that guy that tries to be contrarian for the sake of it. It's obvious that Pederson was 100% in control of the offense last year. This year looks completely different.
Your conclusion is radical in that you are overlooking that guys making the plays and blaming the guy calling them. If the guys making the plays would quit doing stupid [BLEEP] everything would be fine. This isn't Madden, there isn't a wireless controller for a bystander to Truck Stick or Ball Hawk a guy. Either Ridley catches the perfectly thrown touchdown pass or ONLY Ridley is the reason it wasn't caught but you want to blame the coach. I'm not being contrarian, I'm simply seeing that the guy on the sideline isn't the reason 39 can't hold on to the ball or Agent Zero has it clang off his hands.
2 miscues does not a game make. But what do I know. I have a controller in my hand and I keep yelling at the Fox Broadcast to behave more like Madden.
We had drops last year too, ya know... And yet we still looked like a real honest to god offense last year. Even when we were losing, we looked different than we do now... You act as though the guy that is calling the plays isn't affecting the outcome of said play he's calling. If the guy calling the plays is making it very easy to anticipate what is coming, it makes it very difficult for the players do be successfull.
(09-25-2023, 02:16 PM)TTechJag85 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/ShaunBijani/status/1...gr%5Etweet
This tool for the texans who picked it off in the second half said what we already know in more polite words…
We are RPO on 1st and second down.
Then naturally on third we more often than not are put in position where Trevor has to hold the ball longer…. Go figure we have to throw the ball on third and longer.
Drastically altering the way teams scheme our offense .
Bottom line is whoever is calling the plays it is painfully obvious that it isn’t the same as last year.
We are developing obvious tendencies which allow defenses to know when to pressure us and puts our struggling o line in harder situations to hold up against more exotic pressure packages on later downs…
Where is the creativity we saw last year ? Where is the ball distribution? Right now we are funneling the ball into Etienne’s hands up the middle or quick bubble screens on early downs which results in less explosive plays and longer drives and more obvious later down passing situations.
We need to be more aggressive ! Mix in intermediate and deep passing game with the run in early downs to try to keep defenses on their heels with all of our skill players.
Thank you. This is obvious to anyone that wants to just face the facts. The coaching/play calling is killing this offense.
(09-25-2023, 01:01 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/jpshadrick/status/17...37613?s=20
There was wiggle room in his statement. He said he was involved in play calling as much as he normally is. Press may well still be the one talking in the QB’s ear. But it was a clear difference in the play calling in the 2nd half.
No way Doug is throwing Press under the bus in a press conference.
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(09-25-2023, 04:01 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 01:01 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/jpshadrick/status/17...37613?s=20
There was wiggle room in his statement. He said he was involved in play calling as much as he normally is. Press may well still be the one talking in the QB’s ear. But it was a clear difference in the play calling in the 2nd half.
No way Doug is throwing Press under the bus in a press conference.
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Yep, if he did that there would be a distraction and the last thing we need is a distraction right now
Mia is just stirring the pot.
(09-25-2023, 01:34 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Doug is gonna quickly lose me as a supporter if he keeps holding onto Press Taylor like he did in Philly.
(09-25-2023, 04:01 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (09-25-2023, 01:01 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/jpshadrick/status/17...37613?s=20
There was wiggle room in his statement. He said he was involved in play calling as much as he normally is. Press may well still be the one talking in the QB’s ear. But it was a clear difference in the play calling in the 2nd half.
No way Doug is throwing Press under the bus in a press conference.
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Someone needs to take Press's passport so we can see what changes for 2 weeks.
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Press gets a lot of the flack because that is the biggest change on offense. Is it all his fault? No but the offense execution doesn't match what it was last year.
Trevor has been terrible at reading defenses pre-snap this year. The quick passes coming out immediately without any pressure or looking at any other WRs has to be caused by something. I don't know if it is the play call, Trevor being scared of the rush, or just some crazy unknown. Whatever the issue is though it has to change.
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(09-25-2023, 04:33 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/haydenwinks/status/1...915L-t18Xg
So I went and read the play by play for the KC and the Houston game.
If it's 1st down. I guarantee Trevor is in Shotgun and ETN is next to him. Invariably the formation is with 1 TE and the receivers tight to the line. Rarely, if ever did we have a WR outside the hashes.
So, like I said. First down... We're in shotgun. ETN next to Lawrence. 11 personelle with WR's bunched.
On this down, for the last 2 weeks... 90% of the time it was a run to ETN. 70% of the time it was a run up the middle. And then the other 30% was off tackle, but not a wide sweeping run. Basically they were all runs right up the middle. Every time. 1st and 10? Bank on it being shotgun, bunch formation and a run by ETN between the hashes.
I could set my clock on it for the last 2 weeks.
Except... In the second half against Houston, after falling down 17 to ZERO, all of a sudden our offense started getting slightly more aggressive... We stopped running from shotgun on 1st and 10 everytime.
Now... Doug (I originally typed out Gus, maybe a Freudian slip?) says he didn't call plays in the 2nd half. But if you go and you read the play by play for the KC game and the 1st half of the Houston game... I think you might question whether Doug was being honest or was protecting his prodigy...