(11-26-2023, 05:47 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2023, 05:38 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Same. Don't hate the decision. I hate the play call. Again. Ridley dropped a TD. Engram had a big drop. Kirk had a big drop. Near miss with Zay. Plenty of miscues today.
Thankfully they called just enough things right today to win it.
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I think the execution was on point for the most part. Yes, the Ridley drop was a heart breaker, same with the Engram drop when we were driving in the 1st quarter. We had a few fall starts/illegal motions in the 1st half as well... But again, overall the players on offense played well.
But man, the fact that Press hasn't figured out how to use his RB corps correctly, and the fact that he's just clearly not in tune with the flow of the game is obvious.
Going for it on the 1 at the end of the 1st half was the right call. The play we ran? It was straight garbage. Lawrence already proved the QB sneak would work? But Press dialed up such a stupid call. You know what proves how bad that call was? In the 3rd Quarter we ran another successfull QB sneak. LOL.
It's just really inconsistent play calling. I guess it's getting a bit better than what it was in September and October. But he's still got a long ways to go to be as competent as Doug or any other top 10 OC or HC that is calling up plays and running the offense. Press just mediocre right now, and he's holding back the offense.
(11-26-2023, 05:44 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Only you would show up and [BLEEP] about play calling on a day when the QB goes for almost 400 yards on the road.
I show up after football games.
I also would have had other discussions, but I was banned for over a week for no reason at all.
But yeah, [BLEEP] me for calling out the truth after finally having my ban lifted.
Edit: I look forward to you and your buddy from NYC antagonizing me for the next week to try and add an additional ban on me. It won't work this time. I've figured out how you guys bully people you don't like. I won't fall for it this time. Now, instead of attacking me. Why not discuss what I said about the game? Cuz that's what we are here to do. Stop attacking me as a poster. I'm just as much of a fan as you.
Using the RBs correctly? What holes can ETN run through? He is getting blown up behind the LOS play after play after play after play.
We can all nitpick certain plays that bug us (hated the goal line pitch to ETN) but as Doug has preached time and time again, it's execution. Always has been and always will be.
Oh..... And the Oline. It's not a coincidence that Trevor had one of of his best passing days of the year in a game where he was pressured the least.
(11-27-2023, 10:05 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2023, 05:47 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I think the execution was on point for the most part. Yes, the Ridley drop was a heart breaker, same with the Engram drop when we were driving in the 1st quarter. We had a few fall starts/illegal motions in the 1st half as well... But again, overall the players on offense played well.
But man, the fact that Press hasn't figured out how to use his RB corps correctly, and the fact that he's just clearly not in tune with the flow of the game is obvious.
Going for it on the 1 at the end of the 1st half was the right call. The play we ran? It was straight garbage. Lawrence already proved the QB sneak would work? But Press dialed up such a stupid call. You know what proves how bad that call was? In the 3rd Quarter we ran another successfull QB sneak. LOL.
It's just really inconsistent play calling. I guess it's getting a bit better than what it was in September and October. But he's still got a long ways to go to be as competent as Doug or any other top 10 OC or HC that is calling up plays and running the offense. Press just mediocre right now, and he's holding back the offense.
I show up after football games.
I also would have had other discussions, but I was banned for over a week for no reason at all.
But yeah, [BLEEP] me for calling out the truth after finally having my ban lifted.
Edit: I look forward to you and your buddy from NYC antagonizing me for the next week to try and add an additional ban on me. It won't work this time. I've figured out how you guys bully people you don't like. I won't fall for it this time. Now, instead of attacking me. Why not discuss what I said about the game? Cuz that's what we are here to do. Stop attacking me as a poster. I'm just as much of a fan as you.
Using the RBs correctly? What holes can ETN run through? He is getting blown up behind the LOS play after play after play after play.
We can all nitpick certain plays that bug us (hated the goal line pitch to ETN) but as Doug has preached time and time again, it's execution. Always has been and always will be.
Oh..... And the Oline. It's not a coincidence that Trevor had one of of his best passing days of the year in a game where he was pressured the least.
And yet, historically, that counter pitch play has generated 3 rushing TDs this season, so it's not like it's a bad play. It was, as usual, poorly executed. But some people think it's just calling the "right" play, lol.
(11-27-2023, 10:10 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 10:05 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Using the RBs correctly? What holes can ETN run through? He is getting blown up behind the LOS play after play after play after play.
We can all nitpick certain plays that bug us (hated the goal line pitch to ETN) but as Doug has preached time and time again, it's execution. Always has been and always will be.
Oh..... And the Oline. It's not a coincidence that Trevor had one of of his best passing days of the year in a game where he was pressured the least.
And yet, historically, that counter pitch play has generated 3 rushing TDs this season, so it's not like it's a bad play. It was, as usual, poorly executed. But some people think it's just calling the "right" play, lol.
It was a bad play call against a defense that's been good against the run all year and was good all the way throughout the game against it. Period. A better call or decision in general could have changed the outcome. They were 9th against the run entering that game only allowing 95 YPG on the ground.
I'll never understand this logic when it can be applied to the greatest missed opportunity of all time though regarding a play call argument. Wilson's pick in the SB loss to the Patriots when Lynch was in the backfield.
A simple play call change there changes that outcome in the history books.
We ultimately won, that's great. Again, though, arguing that a different play call wouldn't have worked there, when, they had multiple opportunities throughout the game in the passing game and Lawrence had adequate time in the pocket is just not a good, sound argument to make.
It wasn't poorly executed. It was precisely snuffed out by a team's greatest strength defensively there. Bad play call to go up against a team's strength in that situation. Period.
Red zone offense…..they need to use D’Ernest Johnson more on short yardage and goal line situations. He’s a better short yardage back than Etienne, he gets low to finish runs, Etienne runs too straight up.
(11-27-2023, 10:20 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 10:10 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]And yet, historically, that counter pitch play has generated 3 rushing TDs this season, so it's not like it's a bad play. It was, as usual, poorly executed. But some people think it's just calling the "right" play, lol.
It was a bad play call against a defense that's been good against the run all year and was good all the way throughout the game against it. Period. A better call or decision in general could have changed the outcome. They were 9th against the run entering that game only allowing 95 YPG on the ground.
I'll never understand this logic when it can be applied to the greatest missed opportunity of all time though regarding a play call argument. Wilson's pick in the SB loss to the Patriots when Lynch was in the backfield.
A simple play call change there changes that outcome in the history books.
We ultimately won, that's great. Again, though, arguing that a different play call wouldn't have worked there, when, they had multiple opportunities throughout the game in the passing game and Lawrence had adequate time in the pocket is just not a good, sound argument to make.
It wasn't poorly executed. It was precisely snuffed out by a team's greatest strength defensively there. Bad play call to go up against a team's strength in that situation. Period.
The tinhorns have allowed 12 rushing TDs originating in the red-zone this season. (5 pass TDs)
So - I don't think their seasonal run defense is a worthy argument against the run call.
I
am with you in hoping to see our offense evolve into one that incorporates more power runs and a greater ability to gut out tough yards between the tackles.
But I've also seen that play work well for us plenty of times - and I've watched this board all year scream "stop running it inside!!" ad nauseam. So I take a lot of these play calling criticisms with a grain of salt.
This really does feel like one of those cases where "when it works our OC is brilliant, when it fails he's a moron"
To your point again - the tinhorns did indeed look very well coached up to string out our outside runs all day. It was no doubt part of their preparation. We' have gashed a few teams this year with it.
Personally - given the game situation and the way things had been going - I'd have taken the three points.
(11-27-2023, 10:33 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 10:20 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It was a bad play call against a defense that's been good against the run all year and was good all the way throughout the game against it. Period. A better call or decision in general could have changed the outcome. They were 9th against the run entering that game only allowing 95 YPG on the ground.
I'll never understand this logic when it can be applied to the greatest missed opportunity of all time though regarding a play call argument. Wilson's pick in the SB loss to the Patriots when Lynch was in the backfield.
A simple play call change there changes that outcome in the history books.
We ultimately won, that's great. Again, though, arguing that a different play call wouldn't have worked there, when, they had multiple opportunities throughout the game in the passing game and Lawrence had adequate time in the pocket is just not a good, sound argument to make.
It wasn't poorly executed. It was precisely snuffed out by a team's greatest strength defensively there. Bad play call to go up against a team's strength in that situation. Period.
The tinhorns have allowed 12 rushing TDs originating in the red-zone this season. (5 pass TDs)
So - I don't think their seasonal run defense is a worthy argument against the run call.
I am with you in hoping to see our offense evolve into one that incorporates more power runs and a greater ability to gut out tough yards between the tackles.
But I've also seen that play work well for us plenty of times - and I've watched this board all year scream "stop running it inside!!" ad nauseam. So I take a lot of these play calling criticisms with a grain of salt.
This really does feel like on of those cases where "when it works our OC is brilliant, when it fails he's a moron"
To your point again - the tinhorns did indeed look very well coached up to string out our outside runs all day. It was no doubt part of their preparation. We' have gashed a few teams this year with it.
Personally - given the game situation and the way things had been going - I'd have taken the three points.
The narrative leading up to that game was how effective and good Etienne's been against them. He's had a few 100 all purpose yard games against them. Ultimately, it is what it is. They also noticeably tried to run it to the right and we just saw Harrison get blasted last week in the run game at home.
We're on the right track offensively. I think it was maybe you who mentioned it but the overall run blocking scheme or concept seems to not work or gel well for this football team. Rauscher/Pederson/Taylor have to work on that somehow. Again, major credit to Press for sticking to it though.
Etienne may not be getting 100+ yards rushing on the ground as much but the fact that they refuse to outright abandon it is a testament to their patience and understanding that even if it's a 2 or 3 yard gain you have to do it to keep a defense honest. Etienne will probably have himself a game though next Monday night.
(11-27-2023, 10:39 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 10:33 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The tinhorns have allowed 12 rushing TDs originating in the red-zone this season. (5 pass TDs)
So - I don't think their seasonal run defense is a worthy argument against the run call.
I am with you in hoping to see our offense evolve into one that incorporates more power runs and a greater ability to gut out tough yards between the tackles.
But I've also seen that play work well for us plenty of times - and I've watched this board all year scream "stop running it inside!!" ad nauseam. So I take a lot of these play calling criticisms with a grain of salt.
This really does feel like on of those cases where "when it works our OC is brilliant, when it fails he's a moron"
To your point again - the tinhorns did indeed look very well coached up to string out our outside runs all day. It was no doubt part of their preparation. We' have gashed a few teams this year with it.
Personally - given the game situation and the way things had been going - I'd have taken the three points.
The narrative leading up to that game was how effective and good Etienne's been against them. He's had a few 100 all purpose yard games against them. Ultimately, it is what it is. They also noticeably tried to run it to the right and we just saw Harrison get blasted last week in the run game at home.
We're on the right track offensively. I think it was maybe you who mentioned it but the overall run blocking scheme or concept seems to not work or gel well for this football team. Rauscher/Pederson/Taylor have to work on that somehow. Again, major credit to Press for sticking to it though.
Etienne may not be getting 100+ yards rushing on the ground as much but the fact that they refuse to outright abandon it is a testament to their patience and understanding that even if it's a 2 or 3 yard gain you have to do it to keep a defense honest. Etienne will probably have himself a game though next Monday night.
Yes - that was me.
How we adjust our run blocking scheme (beyond just adding better linemen) could be a key to getting next level with this offense IMO.
They are very sold out to ZBS athleticism and lateral movement over power runs at the moment - and incorporating a robust "power run page" in the playbook for short yardage would be a very welcome sight. (at the very least)
I wonder if ETN sees limited snaps this week after the chest injury we don't have details on yet. Looked like he went to the locker room for an X-Ray at one point and came back looking a bit less edgy on his finishes.
Monday may be a good time to get D'E.J 12+ touches and a half dozen more for the rookie. Just give ETN a handful of stretch plays and swing passes. Just a hunch. It's a looong season and #1 is getting nicked up pretty good.
(11-27-2023, 10:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 10:39 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]The narrative leading up to that game was how effective and good Etienne's been against them. He's had a few 100 all purpose yard games against them. Ultimately, it is what it is. They also noticeably tried to run it to the right and we just saw Harrison get blasted last week in the run game at home.
We're on the right track offensively. I think it was maybe you who mentioned it but the overall run blocking scheme or concept seems to not work or gel well for this football team. Rauscher/Pederson/Taylor have to work on that somehow. Again, major credit to Press for sticking to it though.
Etienne may not be getting 100+ yards rushing on the ground as much but the fact that they refuse to outright abandon it is a testament to their patience and understanding that even if it's a 2 or 3 yard gain you have to do it to keep a defense honest. Etienne will probably have himself a game though next Monday night.
Yes - that was me.
How we adjust our run blocking scheme (beyond just adding better linemen) could be a key to getting next level with this offense IMO.
They are very sold out to ZBS athleticism and lateral movement over power runs at the moment - and incorporating a robust "power run page" in the playbook for short yardage would be a very welcome sight. (at the very least)
I wonder if ETN sees limited snaps this week after the chest injury we don't have details on yet. Looked like he went to the locker room for an X-Ray at one point and came back looking a bit less edgy on his finishes.
Monday may be a good time to get D'E.J 12+ touches and a half dozen more for the rookie. Just give ETN a handful of stretch plays and swing passes. Just a hunch. It's a looong season and #1 is getting nicked up pretty good.
I noticed Tank Bigsby ran with both arms around the ball on his one running play. I wonder if they told him, "Whatever happens, just don't fumble."
Taylor calls inside run: "Stop running inside!"
Taylor calls outside run: "Don't run that there!"
Taylor calls under center pass: "Why are we running backwards from the line?"
Taylor calls Shotgun: "Why are we starting out 3 yards deep?"
The OC criticism in a nutshell. If it doesn't work it was the wrong call, if it does then it's because the players did it.
(11-27-2023, 11:06 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2023, 10:49 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yes - that was me.
How we adjust our run blocking scheme (beyond just adding better linemen) could be a key to getting next level with this offense IMO.
They are very sold out to ZBS athleticism and lateral movement over power runs at the moment - and incorporating a robust "power run page" in the playbook for short yardage would be a very welcome sight. (at the very least)
I wonder if ETN sees limited snaps this week after the chest injury we don't have details on yet. Looked like he went to the locker room for an X-Ray at one point and came back looking a bit less edgy on his finishes.
Monday may be a good time to get D'E.J 12+ touches and a half dozen more for the rookie. Just give ETN a handful of stretch plays and swing passes. Just a hunch. It's a looong season and #1 is getting nicked up pretty good.
I noticed Tank Bigsby ran with both arms around the ball on his one running play. I wonder if they told him, "Whatever happens, just don't fumble."
Probably a safe bet. Glad he's showing some coach-ability there.
I hope we get up on the scoreboard Monday night and he gets to run the ball a bunch. We could really use him down the stretch, but I'm sure the staff wants to see him show he can be trusted first. This could be a good chance to cement that confidence.
(11-30-2023, 01:13 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm going to just go ahead and assume this travesty is a result of the horrible play calling of Press Taylor:
https://twitter.com/GeneFrenette/status/...94249?s=20
How could this happen with such a horrible O-Line like you were talking about for the last 3 months?
Maybe because the QB is legit? Thank goodness for that!
(11-30-2023, 05:15 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2023, 01:13 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm going to just go ahead and assume this travesty is a result of the horrible play calling of Press Taylor:
https://twitter.com/GeneFrenette/status/...94249?s=20
How could this happen with such a horrible O-Line like you were talking about for the last 3 months?
Maybe because the QB is legit? Thank goodness for that!
The stats cited are even more impressive when one considers that they've done this despite poor offensive line play in most of their contests.
(11-30-2023, 05:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-30-2023, 05:15 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]How could this happen with such a horrible O-Line like you were talking about for the last 3 months?
Maybe because the QB is legit? Thank goodness for that!
The stats cited are even more impressive when one considers that they've done this despite poor offensive line play in most of their contests.
The offensive line this year has been comparable to last year...
The play calling, on the other hand... Well that's a horse of a different color.
So what is the criticism in a nutshell? I have seen many things. Is he using his outside voice making the call too loud and the other team hears it? Maybe if he used his inside voice more?
Don't understand the thought process behind some of the playcalls like the 3rd and 1 bomb downfield, not punting on our 38 yardline or even kicking the FG on our last TD (which still turned out irrelevant in this game but the premise remains).
(12-10-2023, 05:45 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]Don't understand the thought process behind some of the playcalls like the 3rd and 1 bomb downfield, not punting on our 38 yardline or even kicking the FG on our last TD (which still turned out irrelevant in this game but the premise remains).
We begged for coaches who keep their foot on the gas and we got them
careful what you ask for I guess...
shrug
(12-10-2023, 05:46 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2023, 05:45 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]Don't understand the thought process behind some of the playcalls like the 3rd and 1 bomb downfield, not punting on our 38 yardline or even kicking the FG on our last TD (which still turned out irrelevant in this game but the premise remains).
We begged for coaches who keep their foot on the gas and we got them
careful what you ask for I guess...
shrug
True, but is wanting our coaches decision-making to be more sensible too much to ask for?
I don't know anymore. It's like we have a few plays most games where the playcall should be an obvious one to make and we just have a brain fart when it comes to situational awareness.