Quote:You're entitled to your opinion on McArthur. Mine is different. That's not pertinent to the topic.
But my main point stands. Gus keeps rushing the passer with just four players, as if he had the 2012 Seahawks roster.
The whole "buck stops here" comment was not meant to claim that being a head coach is remotely equivalent to being President; it was to point out that if the stupid decisions made in running the defense were from Babich (or any other coach under Gus) then Gus is still ultimately responsible for the end result
.* Gus chose Babich. Gus chose to keep Babich when he fired Fisch. Gus has the power to overrule Babich.
* At least that's how I would have meant it, I didn't make the original comment.
that's back to "do the best you can with what you have" thing again...Gus's whole defensive scheme depends on the LEO position,4 down linemen, and and OTTO, of which he doesn't have good enough people to perform the roles on a consistent basis (yet), so he "has to do the best he can with what he has"...which as I already said,
sometimes the best you have isn't good enough , and that's exactly where the Jags are right now...
Quote:The head coach, much like the commanding officer of a naval unit, is responsible for what his team does. Like the old 'the buck stops here' sign that president Truman supposedly had on his desk, so it is with the HC.
THAT was the original comment. In the context of the Jaguars play this season the buck stops at Gus Bradley.
Quote:The actual pertinent point is that even the greatest commanding officers are limited by the experience level of the troops they command and this is referring to the actual original comment not your abstract interpretation of it.
The only rookies with a significant role are Yeldon and Cann, and they have been steady. The offense overall is still young with a lot of 2nd year players, but that hasn't been the problem with the Jags. The Jags are 22nd in points. That's not great, but it's not horrible either. In spite of the red zone woes the offense is scoring enough points to win. Other than the Pats and Panthers it's not like the opponents are powerful scoring machines.
Clemons, Marks, Alualu, Odrick, Branch, Skuta, Poz and Brown all have been in the league at least five years. Cyprien, House, and Evans at least 3 years. Telvin Smith and Colvin are in their second years, and are already playing well above average.
The Jags defense does not have a problem with limited experience.
The problem is the coaching, mainly on defense. Rushing just four has consistently led to the opposition being able to complete passes, especially in converting 3rd downs. Rushing five or more has been very successful the few times the Jags tried it. Sure, a good QB can pick apart a blitz. But that's only true if he has a good OL, and in any case the Jags haven't faced very many good QBs. Other than the Panthers, the Jags opponents have been playing a lot of backups on their OLs, and that leads to confusion. But there's no confusion when you just rush four, even lines composed of backups and scrubs will know their blocking assignments in that case.
There is no quality pass rusher on the roster. That is not the fault of Gus Bradley.
The D line has been unable to generate QB pressure all year. That is also not the fault of Gus Bradley.
The defense has done absolutely nothing creative to even attempt to generate pressure. That is completely the fault of Gus Bradley.
Quote:that's back to "do the best you can with what you have" thing again...Gus's whole defensive scheme depends on the LEO position,4 down linemen, and and OTTO, of which he doesn't have good enough people to perform the roles on a consistent basis (yet), so he "has to do the best he can with what he has"...which as I already said, sometimes the best you have isn't good enough , and that's exactly where the Jags are right now...
"Gus's whole defensive scheme depends on the LEO position."
Read what you just wrote. If he doesn't have a LEO, then it's HIS failure that he's using that scheme. The Jags are 28th in scoring defense against some of the worst offenses in the NFL. The Jags defense is better than 28th in personnel. Do you really want to claim the Ravens have better defensive players? The Bears? The Eagles? All three are doing better than the Jags on defense.
Of course the best the Jags have isn't good enough to run the same defense as the 2012 Seahawks. Here's a clue ... Gus shouldn't be using that scheme if he doesn't have the personnel to run it effectively.
Quote:THAT was the original comment. In the context of the Jaguars play this season the buck stops at Gus Bradley.
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The only rookies with a significant role are Yeldon and Cann, and they have been steady. The offense overall is still young with a lot of 2nd year players, but that hasn't been the problem with the Jags. The Jags are 22nd in points. That's not great, but it's not horrible either. In spite of the red zone woes the offense is scoring enough points to win. Other than the Pats and Panthers it's not like the opponents are powerful scoring machines.
Clemons, Marks, Alualu, Odrick, Branch, Skuta, Poz and Brown all have been in the league at least five years. Cyprien, House, and Evans at least 3 years. Telvin Smith and Colvin are in their second years, and are already playing well above average.
The Jags defense does not have a problem with limited experience.
The problem is the coaching, mainly on defense. Rushing just four has consistently led to the opposition being able to complete passes, especially in converting 3rd downs. Rushing five or more has been very successful the few times the Jags tried it. Sure, a good QB can pick apart a blitz. But that's only true if he has a good OL, and in any case the Jags haven't faced very many good QBs. Other than the Panthers, the Jags opponents have been playing a lot of backups on their OLs, and that leads to confusion. But there's no confusion when you just rush four, even lines composed of backups and scrubs will know their blocking assignments in that case.
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Sorry to bust your bubble, but inexperience isn't defined as just rookies. NFL players typically have their best seasons in the 5+ year range. Expecting 2nd and 3rd year players to play at that level is just foolish. Blaming the coach because young players aren't playing above their experience level is just flat out stupid.
Clemmons is over the hill, Marks has been injured most of the year (stupid to even bring him up) and Branch and Brown are back up level players at best. You can't seriously be using these players to support your argument.
Cyprien and Evans haven't even played at least 3 years considering they were drafted in 2013 and this is 2015 and they haven't even completed their third season, so you might want to study up on your 1st grade math. On top of that, Evans is a back up level player forced into starting. The jags secondary has exactly 1 starter in House that has actually been in the league at least 3 years, and shockingly, he has been our most productive player back there.
Both Telvin and Colvin have flashed as excellent players but shockingly (only to you) have given up plays due to being out of position because of inexperience.
One thing you naive football watchers can't seem to get through your thick skulls is that you can't coach experience. It is earned only with time. Only people with limited understanding of the game, such as yourself, can't comprehend this very basic fact.
I'm not saying that Gus has proven himself as a coach, but ignoring the inexperience of the roster is just flat out ignorant and demonstrates a limited grasp of the game.
LOL! I can't believe you are pretending we have a veteran team. How ignorant can you possibly be?
Quote:Sorry to bust your bubble, but inexperience isn't defined as just rookies. NFL players typically have their best seasons in the 5+ year range. Expecting 2nd and 3rd year players to play at that level is just foolish. Blaming the coach because young players aren't playing above their experience level is just flat out stupid.
Clemmons is over the hill, Marks has been injured most of the year (stupid to even bring him up) and Branch and Brown are back up level players at best. You can't seriously be using these players to support your argument.
Cyprien and Evans haven't even played at least 3 years considering they were drafted in 2013 and this is 2015 and they haven't even completed their third season, so you might want to study up on your 1st grade math. On top of that, Evans is a back up level player forced into starting. The jags secondary has exactly 1 starter in House that has actually been in the league at least 3 years, and shockingly, he has been our most productive player back there.
Both Telvin and Colvin have flashed as excellent players but shockingly (only to you) have given up plays due to being out of position because of inexperience.
One thing you naive football watchers can't seem to get through your thick skulls is that you can't coach experience. It is earned only with time. Only people with limited understanding of the game, such as yourself, can't comprehend this very basic fact.
I'm not saying that Gus has proven himself as a coach, but ignoring the inexperience of the roster is just flat out ignorant and demonstrates a limited grasp of the game.
LOL! I can't believe you are pretending we have a veteran team. How ignorant can you possibly be?
I never said we had a veteran team, so that's a strawman argument.
The problem with the team is the defense. The defense is not inexperienced in NFL terms. Teams rarely have a majority of players in their 5th year or more. Six of the Jags front seven (not including Marks) fit that category. So you then switch the argument from "experience" to "back up level players." If you want to argue player quality argue player quality, not "experience." But if you want to argue player quality, then the Jags defensive players are better than those of the Bears, Ravens, and Eagles, and probably several others, all of which have given up fewer points. And the Jags have played the easiest schedule in team history. We may never again face such a lucky confluence of opposing team woes.
Quote:,If Gus loses any chance of the Playoffs is gone. At that point he'll have four games left, and he'll have to go .500 in those games to save his job.
This is what I view as the ultimatum for Gus, as well. If he can't get to 6 wins, he should be canned.
Quote:I understand what you're saying here, but I disagree because it's about building toward the ultimate goal. Sure another scheme might fit the talent better and maybe even add a win or two, but there's long-term thinking involved. You want the guys learning this scheme so when the right players are plugged into those key spots, everything comes together. You don't need everyone having to learn a new scheme every year.
you build for what you intend to use and all I'm simply trying to say that that even as much as the team has improved, they are still not good enough to win many games, and that is mostly due to youth and inexperience...hence "you have to do the best you can with what you have" and
sometimes what you have isn't good enough to get you where you want or need to be...
Quote:"Gus's whole defensive scheme depends on the LEO position."
Read what you just wrote. If he doesn't have a LEO, then it's HIS failure that he's using that scheme. The Jags are 28th in scoring defense against some of the worst offenses in the NFL. The Jags defense is better than 28th in personnel. Do you really want to claim the Ravens have better defensive players? The Bears? The Eagles? All three are doing better than the Jags on defense.
Of course the best the Jags have isn't good enough to run the same defense as the 2012 Seahawks. Here's a clue ... Gus shouldn't be using that scheme if he doesn't have the personnel to run it effectively.
wrong! It's just part of this long rebuild Khan, Caldwell, and Gus, have all been talking about...It's about getting the right people, getting them trained, and getting experience...Remember when Khan and Caldwell said a long process? 3 years isn't long...You build you roster to the scheme you want to play...You don't build the foundation to your house using the blueprints of another house, you build it to what you want to build as a whole...The Jags are just not good enough yet to get many wins...A team slap full of 2nd and 3rd year players with a handful of FA sprinkled in are just not good/experienced enough to win many games...It's just that simple
Quote:First off, did you pay any attention to the state of the Jags opponents? Even an inexperienced team should win more than four close games against the schedule the Jags faced, with opposing teams in shambles. It's unlikely the Jags will ever again get such a season-long lucky break with the opposition.
Secondly, as I pointed out earlier, 6 of the Jags defensive front seven are in their fifth or longer year. The defense is not "slap full" of 2nd and 3rd year players, they have four: two 2nd year players and two 3rd year players.
The 1997 Jaguars went 11-5; the defense was 15th in points allowed. That defense had one rookie, one player in his second year, and two in their 3rd. Were they also "slap full"? The DEs were better in 1997, but the LBs and secondary were worse. I know that's hard to believe, but Deon Figures, Dave Thomas, Chris Hudson and Travis Davis was the starting secondary.
Gus Bradley, with better players against the weakest schedule in team history can't get the scoring defense any higher than 28th.
The game in general has changed rather drastically since 1997. It's a passing game now.
Quote:I never said we had a veteran team, so that's a strawman argument.
The problem with the team is the defense. The defense is not inexperienced in NFL terms. Teams rarely have a majority of players in their 5th year or more. Six of the Jags front seven (not including Marks) fit that category. So you then switch the argument from "experience" to "back up level players." If you want to argue player quality argue player quality, not "experience." But if you want to argue player quality, then the Jags defensive players are better than those of the Bears, Ravens, and Eagles, and probably several others, all of which have given up fewer points. And the Jags have played the easiest schedule in team history. We may never again face such a lucky confluence of opposing team woes.
I have no idea what sport you have been watching (sounds like college ball), but the good teams in the NFL do have a ton of starters with 5+ years of experience especially in key positions. Shocking the panthers are being led by a QB having the best season of his career in his <gasp> 5th year.
If you don't understand the difference between starting level talent and backup level, then you lack the capacity to be arguing football with a 1st grader. Sorry, that's just pathetic.
Strawman? Really? So we aren't veteran but we don't lack experience???? Do you even bother to read the stupid things you write? Do you even comprehend what a strawman argument is? LOL!
Quote:The Jags defense does not have a problem with limited experience.
Warm up the thread boys..
One of the worst coaches in nfl history, off to another great start
Khan/Caldwell, please....
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Funny how even Mularkey is a much better HC than Bradley.
Just LOL at anyone who defends Bradley, they look the same as those.... people who always defended Gene Smith.