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We need ANOTHER high pick in the draft. Keep him for this season. 1-15 baby !!!

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how come none of our players ever get better? Why did mccray go from looking all world last year to a damn backup? why do we get penalties on PUNTS? Why do we go for a fake punt down 30 in the back of our own endzone? Where is the player development? Where is the defense at? Why is the defense always playing prevent?

 

this team epitomizes it's head coach left right and center, they have zero killer instinct.

 

"we learned a lot out there"

 

the only thing gus learns is how to get his [BAD WORD REMOVED] kicked each weak over and over. You give a real coach this team and we will be 100% better just that fast

 

I'm not defending Gus, I'm just pointing out the problem is deeper than most want to admit. This roster is average to below average at best. It's not a winning roster, having a coach that isn't getting it done only makes it worse but the roster is the core problem.

Quote:calm down we have 3 losses to 3 playoff teams from last year

 

Yes we all thought Hassellback was washed but I guess we were wrong

 

The next 2 games will be where we learn things, Bucs and Houston are awful if we are not 3-3 going to London then yea Gus could be fired during the bye week after London 

 

Say what you want we played a good game today, we just cant score tds to save our life 

We played a good game? Dude... we scored 13 points and lost to Matt Hasselbeck. How is that a good game? Open your eyes man.

Gus isn't being fired now. If he loses the next two than bye would be the time for Caldwell to make his move and if he doesn't, Gus will probably finish out the year.


There is no defending 2nd half adjustments. We just aren't making them. Also, the soft secondary D we play is frustrating. I wish we were more agressive. Offensively, I hate the fact that almost every pass/catch is difficult. Give credit to the players because they made some difficult catches yesterday. We don't seem to get anything easy. There is hardly any misdirection and would like to see more crossing routes. Make the defense run. We should be wearing them out which should give us an advantage in the 2nd half.

Quote:We played a good game? Dude... we scored 13 points and lost to Matt Hasselbeck. How is that a good game? Open your eyes man.

We played a good half. I don't think we have played a good game in Bradley's entire time here. Even in the Miami game we played a pretty poor 2nd half offensively.

Quote:Sorry coaching doesn't have much to do with joeckel being a bust. Wasted draft pick that's on Caldwell.


How about not being able to compile a decent secondary, even though we've drafted what 6 different defensive backs and spent money on 3 different veterans? That's on Caldwell


Great you recognized schobee is declining but failed to find a suitable replacement. That's on Caldwell


Our best WR even though we've drafted plenty of them high is an UDFA that's on Caldwell


This team is so average to below average across the board you could pick any head coach an we're likely to get out played any given Sunday. There is no one unit above average on this team, I can't even name a position we could argue is above average on the team. That's all on Caldwell.

Joeckel criticism is a little unfair. There are hardly any good players from that first round.


I think the secondary is better than the stats suggest. We play a soft D. I just don't get it. We get big physical DB's and dont press at the line. Our advantage is their physicality and we don't use it.

The loss yesterday was as frustrating as any in recent history, but this team isn't firing anyone at this point.  Any purge that happens is going to occur once the season is over.  I do think that Gus' seat just got extremely hot, and I'm fairly confident at this point that he's not going to be able to make a significant enough turnaround between now and the end of the season to change the trajectory of his career.  The team is improving, but that has to start showing in wins, and the number of games where the Jags will have an opportunity to pull those off is getting pretty small.  Another 4 win or less season isn't going to cut it.  Most have been saying that since the start of the season, and nothing about that has changed.

Quote:The loss yesterday was as frustrating as any in recent history, but this team isn't firing anyone at this point.  Any purge that happens is going to occur once the season is over.  I do think that Gus' seat just got extremely hot, and I'm fairly confident at this point that he's not going to be able to make a significant enough turnaround between now and the end of the season to change the trajectory of his career.  The team is improving, but that has to start showing in wins, and the number of games where the Jags will have an opportunity to pull those off is getting pretty small.  Another 4 win or less season isn't going to cut it.

I agree with almost everything you said.

 

The one part i disagree on is when he could be fired. If we are 2-8 after 10 games, he should be fired at that point. No point in keeping him around.

 

Here's hoping we can be 3-3 after the next 2 games. This loss was so much worse than anything we have had in the past 5 years. The dumb penalties at crucial points in the game effected so much. Also, all the 3rd and longs they converted were ridiculous.

Quote:I agree with almost everything you said.

 

The one part i disagree on is when he could be fired. If we are 2-8 after 10 games, he should be fired at that point. No point in keeping him around.

 

Here's hoping we can be 3-3 after the next 2 games. This loss was so much worse than anything we have had in the past 5 years. The dumb penalties at crucial points in the game effected so much. Also, all the 3rd and longs they converted were ridiculous.

I don't think it makes a difference even at 2-8.  They're not going to fire him until the end of the season.  He's going to be given every possible opportunity to save his job. 

I think he could be abruptly fired this season as well if it gets extremely ugly. Caldwell may axe him by week twelve in an effort to maybe save his own hide with Khan and he'll give Doug Marone a chance to coach the team for a month in the interim. Either way, Gus is out. Yesterday's loss was about all I could take for this year. I didn't mind the loss to a now undefeated Carolina team. The Miami win was crucial. And I could stomach the beat down we took in New England. But not yesterday's loss. If he manages to lose to Tampa Bay he's in more than just HOT water for the rest of the year.

Quote:Sorry coaching doesn't have much to do with joeckel being a bust. Wasted draft pick that's on Caldwell.


How about not being able to compile a decent secondary, even though we've drafted what 6 different defensive backs and spent money on 3 different veterans? That's on Caldwell


Great you recognized schobee is declining but failed to find a suitable replacement. That's on Caldwell


Our best WR even though we've drafted plenty of them high is an UDFA that's on Caldwell


This team is so average to below average across the board you could pick any head coach an we're likely to get out played any given Sunday. There is no one unit above average on this team, I can't even name a position we could argue is above average on the team. That's all on Caldwell.

I know you're not intentionally defending Gus, but by deflecting blame that's exactly what you're doing. I'll address each of your poorly thought out arguments with numbers.

 

1) The draft that brought us Joekel was horrible. Sam Young plays as good as Joekel (if not better) so why doesn't Gus play him?- Gus is not blameless.

 

2) Gus chose Myers over Scobee- not just Caldwell. If you don't think so then you are naive. You think Caldwll trades people without input from the coaches?

 

3) Our best WR is not an UDFA but yes that is on Caldwell because he brought that UDFA in- That is a positive and a good find. Caldwell is not blameless, you are correct, but with hiim you can see his potential as well as his improvement-- just like you can with Blake.

 

I see ZERO improvement with Gus. It's PAST time for him to go.. I will not cry if Caldwell is gone, but please don't deflect Gus's poor performance off onto him. Gus gets and deserves most of the blame for this team.

You know it's a bad season when friends opine the loss of Jack Del Rio.

Quote:I know you're not intentionally defending Gus, but by deflecting blame that's exactly what you're doing. I'll address each of your poorly thought out arguments with numbers.

 

1) The draft that brought us Joekel was horrible. Sam Young plays as good as Joekel (if not better) so why doesn't Gus play him?- Gus is not blameless.

 

2) Gus chose Myers over Scobee- not just Caldwell. If you don't think so then you are naive. You think Caldwll trades people without input from the coaches?

 

3) Our best WR is not an UDFA but yes that is on Caldwell because he brought that UDFA in- That is a positive and a good find. Caldwell is not blameless, you are correct, but with hiim you can see his potential as well as his improvement-- just like you can with Blake.

 

I see ZERO improvement with Gus. It's PAST time for him to go.. I will not cry if Caldwell is gone, but please don't deflect Gus's poor performance off onto him. Gus gets and deserves most of the blame for this team.

 

This team lacks an identity, the blame falls on the shoulders of both the GM and the coach, both guys should be on the hot seat. DC chose Gus, the two are tied at the hip (Imo). 

Quote:Gus isn't being fired now. If he loses the next two than bye would be the time for Caldwell to make his move and if he doesn't, Gus will probably finish out the year.


There is no defending 2nd half adjustments. We just aren't making them. Also, the soft secondary D we play is frustrating. I wish we were more agressive. Offensively, I hate the fact that almost every pass/catch is difficult. Give credit to the players because they made some difficult catches yesterday. We don't seem to get anything easy. There is hardly any misdirection and would like to see more crossing routes. Make the defense run. We should be wearing them out which should give us an advantage in the 2nd half.

 

If nothing else, I'm glad you brought this up. I thought I was crazy when I'd wonder...why is it so easy for opposing receivers to make catches while ours never seem to have the same luxury outside of the seemingly rare, blown coverage.

Fire the Kicker, not the coach.

Quote:You know it's a bad season when friends opine the loss of Jack Del Rio.

 

We all like to have faith (at least for a while, until it's indisputable) that our organization's plan will come together in time.  But with hindsight of just how terrible that roster was, you'd have to say JDR over achieved right?

 

Just saying, I kind of get it.

I'll tell you this... the problem is not lack of talent. Caldwell has done a good job building so far. He hasn't been perfect, but he has made solid picks and signings.

Bortles will continue to get better, imo. He is not the problem.

 

I know Yeldon topped 100, but I still feel like run blocking is a big problem with this team.

The penalties? That's on a coach. I like Gus. I want him to succeed. I want the naysayers to be wrong... but he has to get that cleaned up quick... Unacceptable.

 

I don't have a problem with plays being called, just when they are being called. We need to be aggressive in the 2nd, we run the ball... we need to run to get into a good FG position, we pass pass pass, with a couple incompletions...

 

This team should have beaten the clots.

There's no two ways about it

When Gus was asked post game of what concerns he had, replied....none. Then went on about the strong locker room they have..blah blah blah.


Will he be fired? Nope. Don't believe it. Maybe at the end of the year. Maybe. They've been assured that they had 3-5 years to right this ship that's taking on water. Khan still filling seats. So why?

Looks like he was a bad hire so far. Most coaches with records would get the pink slip, and maybe I'm wrong...I believe Khan stays the course.

Quote:I'll tell you this... the problem is not lack of talent. Caldwell has done a good job building so far. He hasn't been perfect, but he has made solid picks and signings.

Bortles will continue to get better, imo. He is not the problem.

 

I know Yeldon topped 100, but I still feel like run blocking is a big problem with this team.

The penalties? That's on a coach. I like Gus. I want him to succeed. I want the naysayers to be wrong... but he has to get that cleaned up quick... Unacceptable.

 

I don't have a problem with plays being called, just when they are being called. We need to be aggressive in the 2nd, we run the ball... we need to run to get into a good FG position, we pass pass pass, with a couple incompletions...

 

This team should have beaten the clots.

There's no two ways about it

 

This team lacks chemistry on offense, whether or not that develops remains to be seen.

Quote:The loss yesterday was as frustrating as any in recent history, but this team isn't firing anyone at this point. Any purge that happens is going to occur once the season is over. I do think that Gus' seat just got extremely hot, and I'm fairly confident at this point that he's not going to be able to make a significant enough turnaround between now and the end of the season to change the trajectory of his career. The team is improving, but that has to start showing in wins, and the number of games where the Jags will have an opportunity to pull those off is getting pretty small. Another 4 win or less season isn't going to cut it. Most have been saying that since the start of the season, and nothing about that has changed.

Defense may be improving but the offense refuses to