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Quote:See my above post. I'm not pro-Gus, I'm just indifferent to an in-season firing since I feel it won't do much for this team.

have you seen the Dolphins play since they fired their coach

Quote:You know your HC is trash when people completely ignore a win.

To be fair, we should have won. We were playing a team missing their starting qb and first two receivers. EJ was imploding like a dying star and gave us at one point a +4 turnover differential. We had 20 points on turnovers and it still came down to us needing to drive for a td in the last two minutes to avoid the loss.


I'm happy to see a win. But Gus and crew still gave their best effort to blow this one (those four attempts with Toby on the 1 were horrible).

Quote:I'm not saying Gus is the answer, I'm just saying that firing Gus tomorrow isn't going to result in the team doing a 180 for the remainder of the season. Complain about Gus all you want, but the lack of execution everyone complains about here falls on the position coaches and coordinators as well as the head coach. Heck, Gus doesn't even call the plays on either side of the ball and that's one of the biggest complaints on the forum. Just firing Gus and leaving the majority of the staff isn't going to change much this season.

 

While more than likely, you are right that we won't see a 180 degree turn around, it's my opinion that we'd see a difference in the team by canning Gus.  I'm not gonna be able to change your mind, and I'll respect your level headedness on this one.  But I honestly think that there is something going on with his philosophy of how he approaches games that his holding back the team.  It's my thought that he's the one that directing the DC and OC in terms of the overal scheme he wants run out there.  

 

Obviously I can't prove it.  But to me, I think if you get a real HC in there during the bye, we may see a more aggressive D and an offense that doesn't leave their best RB on the sidelines on important short yardage situations. 

Firing Gus tomorrow MAY NOT result in this team doing a 180 for the remainder of the season, but keeping him is certainly not. We know what we have in Gus, we don't know what we have in a replacement.

 

I don't see any rational reason to keep him unless it's believed he can turn the team's fortunes around. IF you don't think he can, then you are wasting time by keeping him when you could be testing the head coaching qualities of one of his assistants.

 

Regards.................the Chiefjag

Quote:Firing Gus tomorrow MAY NOT result in this team doing a 180 for the remainder of the season, but keeping him is certainly not. We know what we have in Gus, we don't know what we have in a replacement.

 

I don't see any rational reason to keep him unless it's believed he can turn the team's fortunes around. IF you don't think he can, then you are wasting time by keeping him when you could be testing the head coaching qualities of one of his assistants.

 

Regards.................the Chiefjag

If we had pulled out a convincing win, I'd be all for it. Thing is, Bradley's coaching decisions directly led to coughing up a three-score lead, and were it not for some superb, very promising last-second play by Hurns and Bortles, the Jags would have lost after burying the Bills early. Basically, Gus tried so, so very hard to give this game away, but the Bills refused to take it. Kind of like what we usually do.

Khan already painted himself in a corner.

Quote:Khan already painted himself in a corner.

A vote of confidence is often a kiss of death.

Quote:Firing Gus tomorrow MAY NOT result in this team doing a 180 for the remainder of the season, but keeping him is certainly not. We know what we have in Gus, we don't know what we have in a replacement.

 

I don't see any rational reason to keep him unless it's believed he can turn the team's fortunes around. IF you don't think he can, then you are wasting time by keeping him when you could be testing the head coaching qualities of one of his assistants.

 

Regards.................the Chiefjag

what would you say if they fired Gus and the interim didn't win a single game and we were blown out several more times?

Quote:what would you say if they fired Gus and the interim didn't win a single game and we were blown out several more times?

 

No idea what he'd say, but I know what I'd say: "Hand Jim Harbaugh a blank check."

Quote:what would you say if they fired Gus and the interim didn't win a single game and we were blown out several more times?

Can't speak for Chiefjag, but I'd say, "Oh well, at least we'll never ask what could have been under Marrone."

 

This season is a lost cause if we stick with Bradley. Dan Campbell is proving that changing coaches can make a difference.

Quote:Can't speak for Chiefjag, but I'd say, "Oh well, at least we'll never ask what could have been under Marrone."

 

This season is a lost cause if we stick with Bradley. Dan Campbell is proving that changing coaches can make a difference.

he also has a lot more experienced players to work rather than mostly 2nd year players and a handful of veteran FA

Quote:Khan already painted himself in a corner.

 

right?  Not too bright, for a billionaire...

Quote:A vote of confidence is often a kiss of death.

 

From your lips to the universe's ears...

Quote:what would you say if they fired Gus and the interim didn't win a single game and we were blown out several more times?

 

I would say, well, that's about what we would have expected out of Gus as well...  

Quote:he also has a lot more experienced players to work rather than mostly 2nd year players and a handful of veteran FA

 

Awe, come on wrong_box...  Don't give me the youth thing now...  These guys are already performing well.  The coaching, the play calling, the philosophy is what's killing them.

 

This team can't use the "youth" excuse anymore.

Quote:he also has a lot more experienced players to work rather than mostly 2nd year players and a handful of veteran FA

If the Jags always looked completely overmatched and hopeless, I'd give you this, but they don't. They play well for stretches, but there are atrocious clock management decisions made, bad play calls, bad substitutions and most disturbing of all, when something bad happens, the wheels fall off. Take the Bortles pick six. The entire board called that before it happened.

 

Those are coaching problems, wrong_box. Bortles looking like a stud for long stretches? The Allens looking more and more like we finally have a worthy successor to the Thunder and Lightning tandem? Telvin Smith flashing incredible range and getting better as we go? Aaron Colvin quietly developing into a very solid corner? Those are all about talent. This team has talent. Caldwell has seen to that. What it doesn't have is a competent coach. If Bradley was going to get it, he'd have gotten it by now. Cut bait, spend the rest of this season seeing what we've got in Marrone, and if he's the guy to maximize this talent, great. If he's not, then go find someone who is. This team is ready to compete for the playoffs, but the coaching staff is holding them back. That's all there is to it.

Quote:Awe, come on wrong_box...  Don't give me the youth thing now...  These guys are already performing well.  The coaching, the play calling, the philosophy is what's killing them.

 

This team can't use the "youth" excuse anymore.

what about execution? are the players executing everything well enough to be considered good? I would say a team full of seasoned vets would play better than a team with mostly second year players and a handful of seasoned vets

Quote:what about execution? are the players executing everything well enough to be considered good? I would say a team full of seasoned vets would play better than a team with mostly second year players and a handful of seasoned vets

Execution goes back to coaching in a lot of ways.

Quote:If the Jags always looked completely overmatched and hopeless, I'd give you this, but they don't. They play well for stretches, but there are atrocious clock management decisions made, bad play calls, bad substitutions and most disturbing of all, when something bad happens, the wheels fall off. Take the Bortles pick six. The entire board called that before it happened.

 

Those are coaching problems, wrong_box. Bortles looking like a stud for long stretches? The Allens looking more and more like we finally have a worthy successor to the Thunder and Lightning tandem? Telvin Smith flashing incredible range and getting better as we go? Aaron Colvin quietly developing into a very solid corner? Those are all about talent. This team has talent. Caldwell has seen to that. What it doesn't have is a competent coach. If Bradley was going to get it, he'd have gotten it by now. Cut bait, spend the rest of this season seeing what we've got in Marrone, and if he's the guy to maximize this talent, great. If he's not, then go find someone who is. This team is ready to compete for the playoffs, but the coaching staff is holding them back. That's all there is to it.

I understand what you are saying, but couldn't that or some of it be because being young? Players don't come out of the womb as future HOF candidates, nor from college do they come out as elite...

Quote:Execution goes back to coaching in a lot of ways.

I believe there are many flaws in this coaching regime...I also believe that a coach or coaches can only show and tell a player what to do and where to be, but it's up to the players to do it...How many times do we see DBs out of position, or OL missing assigned blocks or recievers running the wrong routes? The coaches can show them a hundred times everyday but if they still blow assignments after being shown and walked through in practice a bazillion times, THAT is on the players