I say Both....I supported Gus up until Sunday...Tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and said he is growing with the team but he just doesn't have the multi-tasking skills it takes to be an NFL HC. His in game adjustments are NIL and his clock and time out management are bad. I personally think he has lost the locker room. The players still like him as a man but his words ring hollow to them now imo. Doug Marone for head coach and hire a new defensive coordinator.
Yeah, both have to go, but Gus is here for at least one more year. They have got to get rid of Babich though. We have seen how the offensive bloomed under a new coordination/direction. Get a quality defensive coordinator and give him full reign. Let Gus just be the head motivator/cheerleader.
Quote:If for some reason Gus stays, no way in heck does Babich stay, this defense is a train wreck even with a lot of money spent on it via free agency. I personally would like Gus gone but keep Olsen as the OC if possible, but if Gus somehow stays No way in HELL DOES BABICH STAY.
I'm sort-of in line with this thinking, but it's a little more complicated for me.
I really like what Olson is doing with Blake. He's letting him play his brand of "gunslinger" ball but reigning him in just a bit. He also came up with some new wrinkles in the red zone passing game which look effective. (though it took too long to implement them this season) But I'd like to see this offense stay intact for the sake of the young QB - and the fact that it should be more productive in year two as they can simply augment what the players already know.
That said - I'd live with another year of Gus if it keeps this offense clicking - -
BUT - - changes seriously need to be made on defense. Obviously a free safety and Fowler + another good LEO will help, but this scheme needs to be tweaked. They can't just continue to completely forfeit the middle of the field even with the mentioned player upgrades. Good QBs will continue to pick it apart. If Caldwell can convince Gus to make a change at DC and come together on a scheme fix -- I'd be happy.
Quote:I'm sort-of in line with this thinking, but it's a little more complicated for me.
I really like what Olson is doing with Blake. He's letting him play his brand of "gunslinger" ball but reigning him in just a bit. He also came up with some new wrinkles in the red zone passing game which look effective. (though it took too long to implement them this season) But I'd like to see this offense stay intact for the sake of the young QB - and the fact that it should be more productive in year two as they can simply augment what the players already know.
That said - I'd live with another year of Gus if it keeps this offense clicking - - BUT - - changes seriously need to be made on defense. Obviously a free safety and Fowler + another good LEO will help, but this scheme needs to be tweaked. They can't just continue to completely forfeit the middle of the field even with the mentioned player upgrades. Good QBs will continue to pick it apart. If Caldwell can convince Gus to make a change at DC and come together on a scheme fix -- I'd be happy.
Its not like the middle is being intentionally left open...we just don't have the MLB to cover. As good as Poz has been on run defense, he's been really bad against the pass. He plays the run too much which makes him vulnerable to the pass.
We need a Leo, and a DT (hopefully those are filled by Fowler/Marks being healthy), a FS, and a MLB who can cover (at the very least, though best case is every downs who can replace Poz completely).
A bonus DE or DT guy to add pressure would be a bonus.
Quote:Let's hope not.
Forking Pea brain
U know, U know, U know, U know, Uknow, U know, U know, U know.....
The 'pea brain' has a masters degree. How about you?
Bad coaching and intelligence aren't the same thing.
Quote:The 'pea brain' has a masters degree. How about you?
Bad coaching and intelligence aren't the same thing.
I'm sure the acceptance criteria at NDSU to pursue a Masters in Athletic Administration is pretty stringent. I know a lot of math majors @ MIT have historically complained about the rejection letters they received when attempting to get into that program.
Quote:You word it like "and we wonder" as if it obvious and you have the answers, and then you ask us what the answer is...
...and we wonder why High Score feel dis way...
Quote:I'm sure the acceptance criteria at NDSU to pursue a Masters in Athletic Administration is pretty stringent. I know a lot of math majors @ MIT have historically complained about the rejection letters they received when attempting to get into that program.
So you're saying that getting a masters degree at a small school is easy then?
Quote:I think they will give Gus another year. I think the same thing will happen to Babich, that happened to Fisch this off season. He'll get fired, they'll bring in a new DC and Gus will officially have his 4th *absolutely zero excuses* year.
I'm not a Gus defender, but I think this statement is unfair. His first two years, we couldn't expect much and I feel like every fan I spoke with agreed with that, so those were not "*absolutely zero excuses"* years. Those first two years were overflowing with excuses.
This year was the first one where we expected the Jags were supposed to turn the corner (though personally I expected 6-10), so if anything next year would be the second zero excuses year.
Quote:Its not like the middle is being intentionally left open...we just don't have the MLB to cover. As good as Poz has been on run defense, he's been really bad against the pass. He plays the run too much which makes him vulnerable to the pass.
We need a Leo, and a DT (hopefully those are filled by Fowler/Marks being healthy), a FS, and a MLB who can cover (at the very least, though best case is every downs who can replace Poz completely).
A bonus DE or DT guy to add pressure would be a bonus.
I don't
completely agree. Looking at various games this year from the "all22" angles it actually DOES appear they are intentionally sacrificing the middle of the field to focus on stopping the run and the home run deep ball. It would take the most elite /lightning fast MLB and FS to cover all of the ground they leave open at times.
Obviously talent will help alleviate the issue - but I really do think there are flaws in some of these zone packages they are putting out there.
Also - you said
"he plays the run too much."
<i> </i>That's a scheme issue. ^
I actually was pretty happy yesterday. I mean I was extremely frustrated and sad we lost, but man how about that offense? Bortles was a man on a mission and he deserves loads of props as does Robinson. It's a shame that our defense has zero pride in what they do and couldn't get a stop to save their family's lives. No matter what our offense does out there, the defense makes sure to keep it as an uphill battle for them.
But amid all the negativity and frustration losing to the Titans, our offense was battling.
Quote:I don't completely agree. Looking at various games this year from the "all22" angles it actually DOES appear they are intentionally sacrificing the middle of the field to focus on stopping the run and the home run deep ball. It would take the most elite /lightning fast MLB and FS to cover all of the ground they leave open at times.
Obviously talent will help alleviate the issue - but I really do think there are flaws in some of these zone packages they are putting out there.
Also - you said "he plays the run too much."
<i> </i>That's a scheme issue. ^
Watch Poz on most of these big plays. Telvin too, though he sometimes makes up for it due to his speed. The moment the play even "looks" like a run, they bee line for the LOS.
It isn't a scheme problem when the players are misdiagnosing the play. The scheme only tells them what their responsibility is, and their responsibility changes depending on if its a pass (coverage or man) or a run (gap responsibility).
The moment the LB reads "run" when the correct diagnosis is "pass"...he's done. It doesn't matter what the scheme is.
Quote:Watch Poz on most of these big plays. Telvin too, though he sometimes makes up for it due to his speed. The moment the play even "looks" like a run, they bee line for the LOS.
It isn't a scheme problem when the players are misdiagnosing the play. The scheme only tells them what their responsibility is, and their responsibility changes depending on if its a pass (coverage or man) or a run (gap responsibility).
The moment the LB reads "run" when the correct diagnosis is "pass"...he's done. It doesn't matter what the scheme is.
Sure - but you are assuming that focus on the run is completely on the LBs - while I think its part of the scheme.
Many times it's clear the LBs are "releasing" the tight end, RB or WR to the secondary rather than trying to run with them. Only - there's a huge soft spot in the zone between the LBs and DBs.
Also the frequent gap-filling with a TE or receiver coming open is SO frequent - I'm convinced it's not always mis-diagnosed. They are being coached to stay home against the run to a fault. Just my opinion from watching and re-watching. There are just too many times that every one in the building sees that its going to the TE over the middle - I have a hard time believing our LBs can't see that too.
Quote:Sure - but you are assuming that focus on the run is completely on the LBs - while I think its part of the scheme.
Many times it's clear the LBs are "releasing" the tight end, RB or WR to the secondary rather than trying to run with them. Only - there's a huge soft spot in the zone between the LBs and DBs.
Also the frequent gap-filling with a TE or receiver coming open is SO frequent - I'm convinced it's not always mis-diagnosed. They are being coached to stay home against the run to a fault. Just my opinion from watching and re-watching. There are just too many times that every one in the building sees that its going to the TE over the middle - I have a hard time believing our LBs can't see that too.
If that was the case, they wouldn't be turning around with a "oh snap" look to their giddy up as the ball is thrown over their heads....because they know that the guy they "released" is not their responsibility.
But that isn't what's happening. You see Poz and Telvin (Poz especially) take two steps towards the LOS as the run fake occurs and the TE/WR goes behind him then immediately stop, turn and chase the receiver.
Judging by these guys reaction...you can tell they got beat...and they know it.
Quote:If that was the case, they wouldn't be turning around with a "oh snap" look to their giddy up as the ball is thrown over their heads....because they know that the guy they "released" is not their responsibility.
But that isn't what's happening. You see Poz and Telvin (Poz especially) take two steps towards the LOS as the run fake occurs and the TE/WR goes behind him then immediately stop, turn and chase the receiver.
Judging by these guys reaction...you can tell they got beat...and they know it.
I know this happens ^ - but it only accounts for a small percentage of the plays I'm referring to.
I'll have to post gifs later of the plays I'm referring to. No time ATM.
Quote:We don't take kindly to folks who take kindly on sanity.
Insanity is the same thing over and over. What we see on the field is clearly not sane. Staying with the same process is not sane.
Quote:Babich has always been a bad defensive coordinator. Look at his three years as defensive coordinator of the Bears.
2006(the year before Babich became DC. Ron Rivera was the DC): 255 points allowed(15.9/game) 3rd in the NFL
2007(first year Babich is DC): 348 points allowed(21.8/game) 16th in the NFL
2008(second year Babich is DC): 350 points allowed(21.9/game) 16th in the NFL
2009(third year Babich is DC): 375 points allowed(23.4/game) 21st in the NFL
2010(Babich is demoted to linebackers coach): 286 points allowed(17.9/game) 4th in the NFL
That stat line is pretty tough to argue with. Babich definitely needs to go.
In terms of someone mentioning Olson, lets just be happy Gerhart was out so they didn't pull yeldon haha
Quote:So you're saying that getting a masters degree at a small school is easy then?
No. But if one has the time and resources ($), getting a masters at NDSU is; especially the MS degree that he was pursuing.
Let's face it, the average SAT there is 1439, the average ACT is 22, and the average GPA is 2.75. They're not actually pulling out top scholars and it's not like the dude was taking top flight physics & engineering courses.
Quote:If that was the case, they wouldn't be turning around with a "oh snap" look to their giddy up as the ball is thrown over their heads....because they know that the guy they "released" is not their responsibility.
But that isn't what's happening. You see Poz and Telvin (Poz especially) take two steps towards the LOS as the run fake occurs and the TE/WR goes behind him then immediately stop, turn and chase the receiver.
Judging by these guys reaction...you can tell they got beat...and they know it.
Just re-watched the defensive series of first 3 quarters. There were a number of things going on that freed up the middle, but it was largely poor coverage by the linebackers. (as you suggested)
I only saw Poz bite hard on the run fake once, but while he'd cover his guy he also allowed the catch fairly uncontested most times.
Interestingly - Telvin is sneaky at watching the QB's eyes, but it got him into trouble a few times as he'd break towards the "look-off" and be caught unable to cover ground towards the throw.
One big play to Walker that sort-of looked like it was on Poz was actually sort-of scheme-related as Sergio was lined up over the TE and blitzed releasing him totally uncovered or for a big gain.
It's looks like the one below that make me think "scheme" is also part of the problem.
Telvin, Poz and the SS are cheating forward at the snap despite a 4 receiver set - and Armbrister is up near the line. I feel like that's not respecting the middle properly. This one ended up an incompletion over the middle due to a dropped pass by Wright. (It was not a 3rd down BTW.)
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