(03-12-2024, 08:49 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 08:47 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Just remember, we should have paid Allen Top 5 money last week but it can't be Nick Bosa money. Now that Burns got Bosa money I guess we have to pay Allen less than him too.
Don’t forget that now they should trade him and draft Verse!
If he wants to be the highest paid defender ever, which will be setting the market, I would have him play on the tag. If Walker continues to improve and it's likely with Nielsen, we will need to give him 100+ mil as well on top of a Lawrence. We don't have the money to make them all set the market. It all depends on what Allen is asking for. Hopefully they can get a good deal done for both sides
(03-12-2024, 08:47 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 08:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I get he's older, but it is probably too early for him to consider resignation.
Bingo!
Now we know why deals didn't get done a week and a half ago
Just remember, we should of paid Allen Top 5 money last week but it can't be Nick Bosa money. Now that Burns got Bosa money I guess we have to pay Allen less than him too.
Burns didn't get Bosa money
(03-12-2024, 07:18 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Gabe Davis is not replacing Ridley. He’s replacing Zay.
Zay and Gabe are redundant.
Gabe is younger and better than Zay. He’s also a very good run blocker.
WR2 upgrade. Center upgrade. CB2 lateral. Safety upgrade.
I hope they keep Zay Jones. It's true that Davis is younger than Zay and a better blocker, but I don't see them as redundant. Davis averages greater than 16 yards per reception during his career while Zay's average is 6 yards less. On the other hand, Trevor seems to really "trust" Zay when he needs a big catch. His 82 receptions in the 2022-23 season far exceed Davis' career best of 48. Zay has always had excellent hands while Davis is more likely to have unforced drops. Zay's production diminished greatly last season due to injury, but he is only 28 and is capable of having more good seasons for the Jaguars.
I'm actually pleasantly surprised with what Baalke's done so far.
Morse is obviously huge, but Savage upgrades the secondary for cheaper. Darby is probably slightly worse than Williams but he is a scheme fit and far cheaper. Davis is a burner we lacked, and if the rumors of Ridley coming back are true we're looking hot going into the draft.
Need some beef on the DL and then we can draft for the future (I'd like to see WR or CB still but give me some fat DTs and we are in business).
(03-12-2024, 08:58 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 08:49 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Don’t forget that now they should trade him and draft Verse!
If he wants to be the highest paid defender ever, which will be setting the market, I would have him play on the tag. If Walker continues to improve and it's likely with Nielsen, we will need to give him 100+ mil as well on top of a Lawrence. We don't have the money to make them all set the market. It all depends on what Allen is asking for. Hopefully they can get a good deal done for both sides
So $1.5 million more per year than what Burns just got paid isn't a deal? Because that's Bosa money. You think Allen is worth the same or less than Brian Burns?
(03-12-2024, 08:58 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 08:49 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Don’t forget that now they should trade him and draft Verse!
If he wants to be the highest paid defender ever, which will be setting the market, I would have him play on the tag. If Walker continues to improve and it's likely with Nielsen, we will need to give him 100+ mil as well on top of a Lawrence. We don't have the money to make them all set the market. It all depends on what Allen is asking for. Hopefully they can get a good deal done for both sides
(03-12-2024, 08:47 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Just remember, we should of paid Allen Top 5 money last week but it can't be Nick Bosa money. Now that Burns got Bosa money I guess we have to pay Allen less than him too.
Burns didn't get Bosa money
He got 5 years with $150 max. 30 million per is Bosa money. You can quibble all you like, Josh Allen is getting paid there too. You just don't like it, but that's on you.
(03-12-2024, 09:04 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 08:58 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If he wants to be the highest paid defender ever, which will be setting the market, I would have him play on the tag. If Walker continues to improve and it's likely with Nielsen, we will need to give him 100+ mil as well on top of a Lawrence. We don't have the money to make them all set the market. It all depends on what Allen is asking for. Hopefully they can get a good deal done for both sides
So $1.5 million more per year than what Burns just got paid isn't a deal? Because that's Bosa money. You think Allen is worth the same or less than Brian Burns?
(03-12-2024, 08:58 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If he wants to be the highest paid defender ever, which will be setting the market, I would have him play on the tag. If Walker continues to improve and it's likely with Nielsen, we will need to give him 100+ mil as well on top of a Lawrence. We don't have the money to make them all set the market. It all depends on what Allen is asking for. Hopefully they can get a good deal done for both sides
Burns didn't get Bosa money
He got 5 years with $150 max. 30 million per is Bosa money. You can quibble all you like, Josh Allen is getting paid there too. You just don't like it, but that's on you.
Bosa is 34 per year with 122.5 guaranteed.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisc...osa-29037/
Allen will most definitely get paid but hopefully it's a deal good for both sides. If he is wanting to set the market he might play on the tag. We shall see. Hopefully the can get a good deal done with Allen an get Ridley back as well.
Allen's camp probably waiting to see Hunter's deal before signing anything, but their ask of $30M per year if accurate seems to be right where it needed to be. Burns' got $28.2M per over the 5 years, though it's $30M per for the next 3 with $90M guaranteed which is all paid out over the first 3 years.
Apparently they cant sign Ridley during the tampering period?
(03-12-2024, 09:13 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Allen's camp probably waiting to see Hunter's deal before signing anything, but their ask of $30M per year if accurate seems to be right where it needed to be. Burns' got $28.2M per over the 5 years, though it's $30M per for the next 3 with $90M guaranteed which is all paid out over the first 3 years.
That's the point made last week when people were screaming about Baalke not having him signed yet. It's not just up to the team when and if the player signs, and Allen had good reason to wait it out.
(03-12-2024, 09:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 09:13 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Allen's camp probably waiting to see Hunter's deal before signing anything, but their ask of $30M per year if accurate seems to be right where it needed to be. Burns' got $28.2M per over the 5 years, though it's $30M per for the next 3 with $90M guaranteed which is all paid out over the first 3 years.
That's the point made last week when people were screaming about Baalke not having him signed yet. It's not just up to the team when and if the player signs, and Allen had good reason to wait it out.
It's all speculation. Nobody actually knows for sure
As has been mentioned, these FA pick ups give us more flexibility in the draft, which is a huge win and should be how FA is viewed. We can now draft closer to BAP, which is the best draft strategy.
With that said, the game is won in the trenches and that’s where we are deficit. I don’t think I go WR or CB 1st unless they are far and away the better player. I’m hoping to see a DT or Edge at 1, or even IOL if they feel strongly enough in that player.
I think corner should be prioritized later in the draft over WR if the grades are similar. Me personally, if we don’t take a WR high and the fall back plan is Zay, I’m good with that.
Just don’t reach for needs, we just gained flexibility but be sure we get the big uglies if in question. Just my perspective.
Based on all the FA moves: NT/DT, Guard (i dont trust scherff), or LT round 1.
(03-12-2024, 09:21 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 09:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]That's the point made last week when people were screaming about Baalke not having him signed yet. It's not just up to the team when and if the player signs, and Allen had good reason to wait it out.
It's all speculation. Nobody actually knows for sure
It is, but I wouldn't be surprised if the news that Allen was about to sign the day of the tag deadline was because he was asking for $30M and the team finally offered it to him or something very close and his agent talked him back and convinced him to see these deals first. He'll get a little more than $30M per now. Probably $95-100M guaranteed or something close to that, but let's see Hunter's deal.
(03-12-2024, 09:18 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently they cant sign Ridley during the tampering period?
You have to wait till 4 pm tomorrow to sign him so it's only a 3rd and not the 2nd
(03-12-2024, 09:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 09:13 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Allen's camp probably waiting to see Hunter's deal before signing anything, but their ask of $30M per year if accurate seems to be right where it needed to be. Burns' got $28.2M per over the 5 years, though it's $30M per for the next 3 with $90M guaranteed which is all paid out over the first 3 years.
That's the point made last week when people were screaming about Baalke not having him signed yet. It's not just up to the team when and if the player signs, and Allen had good reason to wait it out.
Oh yeah I'm right there with you. If I didn't post something similar during the lead up to the tag deadline which I think I did, I promise I was right there with you in spirit nonetheless. We have no idea who is asking for what regardless of what is "leaked". No reason to get panties in a wad over someone else's private financial negotiation.
(03-12-2024, 09:28 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 09:21 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It's all speculation. Nobody actually knows for sure
It is, but I wouldn't be surprised if the news that Allen was about to sign the day of the tag deadline was because he was asking for $30M and the team finally offered it to him or something very close and his agent talked him back and convinced him to see these deals first. He'll get a little more than $30M per now. Probably $95-100M guaranteed or something close to that, but let's see Hunter's deal.
Actually, if he were on the open market, Allen would probably be getting Bosa money right now. The fact that he's facing two tags might rein that in a tad. We'll see soon enough.
(03-12-2024, 09:40 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 09:28 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]It is, but I wouldn't be surprised if the news that Allen was about to sign the day of the tag deadline was because he was asking for $30M and the team finally offered it to him or something very close and his agent talked him back and convinced him to see these deals first. He'll get a little more than $30M per now. Probably $95-100M guaranteed or something close to that, but let's see Hunter's deal.
Actually, if he were on the open market, Allen would probably be getting Bosa money right now. The fact that he's facing two tags might rein that in a tad. We'll see soon enough.
Yep, agreed. I struggle to understand how people don't see the "Highest paid at the position" is an ever increasing target and often being the best in the free agent class outweighs the contracts signed in the past. So what if Bosa is the highest paid player, he's not on the market. The guy who is on the market today has access to move more cap money than anyone else ever, so the idea that contracts won't approach and supplant the old ones just doesn't make sense.
The more I see what Baalke is doing, coupled with the fact that Ridley still hasn’t signed anywhere, makes me think we sign him tomorrow and keep our draft equity. Baalke is for sure in win now mode, I don’t think that can be argued. Will be good for us to utilize our higher draft picks elsewhere.
(03-12-2024, 09:55 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ]The more I see what Baalke is doing, coupled with the fact that Ridley still hasn’t signed anywhere, makes me think we sign him tomorrow and keep our draft equity. Baalke is for sure in win now mode, I don’t think that can be argued. Will be good for us to utilize our higher draft picks elsewhere.
None of these contracts are signed right now. So it’s kinda odd that Ridley can’t even announce his signing now even though it won’t be official until tomorrow at 4. So even if he did announce now, it’s not official so I would think they still don’t give up a 2nd.
Either way, the longer it goes, the better it looks for the Jags to sign him.
(03-12-2024, 08:05 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 07:43 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Free agency is not something you want to "win" every year. Bad teams win free agency, because they don't have homegrown talent that needs to be re-signed. Good teams get comp picks because they are net losers in free agency.
Our free agency so far is "Bad play to average play" or "expensive play to cheaper pay", and I'm ok with both. If we're going to be Draft and Develop then we need to lose free agents not sign lots of them.
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Most of the media are biased against Jacksonville, even though they love love love small market teams like Green Bay, Buffalo, Cincy, etc. They can pound sand.
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(03-12-2024, 09:57 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-12-2024, 09:55 AM)Jags32250 Wrote: [ -> ]The more I see what Baalke is doing, coupled with the fact that Ridley still hasn’t signed anywhere, makes me think we sign him tomorrow and keep our draft equity. Baalke is for sure in win now mode, I don’t think that can be argued. Will be good for us to utilize our higher draft picks elsewhere.
None of these contracts are signed right now. So it’s kinda odd that Ridley can’t even announce his signing now even though it won’t be official until tomorrow at 4. So even if he did announce now, it’s not official so I would think they still don’t give up a 2nd.
Either way, the longer it goes, the better it looks for the Jags to sign him.
He's probably bringing back his best offer(s) and giving the Jags first right of refusal. The Jags are probably countering with something close and frequent reminders of "no state income tax" and "championship run".