(03-15-2024, 08:41 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 07:23 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Idk. Keenan Allen just went to the Bears for only a 4th and he’s been more productive/consistent than Aiyuk. He does have that injury history and a little older but he’s always been a top tier WR. I would have given a 4th for Allen over signing Gabe
I think Aiyuk can be had for a 2nd at most. Probably even a 3rd and mid round next year. Brian Burns is a top pass rusher and went for a 2nd and a 5th and is a more premium position than WR in a deep draft class that will drive his value down to trade this year
Keenan Allen will be 32 years old this season. It's quite possible he begins fading into irrelevancy this year or soon after. I don't know if Aiyuk can be had for what you list, but as I've stated previously, our 3rd this year and maybe another late pick this year or mid pick next year is all I would offer with no expectations that such an offer would be accepted. Otherwise I watch how the top 10 picks in the draft unfold and if Odunze isn't gone by the top 6-7 picks, I start making calls to see what it would cost to come up. I think Odunze will be the 2nd receiver picked behind Harrison and probably will be gone by that point. I wouldn't trade up for Nabers. If he's there at 17 I'd consider it, but he shouldn't be.
Allen is too injury prone, missing whole seasons. Aiyuk was under utilized in Shanahan's left coast offense, which was more run after catch. Aiyuk can be that dude.
I wouldn't trade up for anyone. Too many holes to fill. Trade down if anything.
(03-15-2024, 08:48 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 07:35 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Some people are throwing out a 1st round pick swap (17 for 31), a 4th and a 2025 3rd.
Which I would 100% do. I’m not sure if some people realize how good Aiyuk actually is.
Nah, the wide receiver market has settled. No one else is going to give all that to the 49ers, especially as the draft nears and all the talented WR prospects get hyped more. I'd wait and offer only #17 or Cam Robinson + ham sandwich.
A first round pick PLUS a giant contract?
No. That's getting one player for the price of two.
(03-15-2024, 07:35 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 07:23 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Idk. Keenan Allen just went to the Bears for only a 4th and he’s been more productive/consistent than Aiyuk. He does have that injury history and a little older but he’s always been a top tier WR. I would have given a 4th for Allen over signing Gabe
I think Aiyuk can be had for a 2nd at most. Probably even a 3rd and mid round next year. Brian Burns is a top pass rusher and went for a 2nd and a 5th and is a more premium position than WR in a deep draft class that will drive his value down to trade this year
Some people are throwing out a 1st round pick swap (17 for 31), a 4th and a 2025 3rd.
Which I would 100% do. I’m not sure if some people realize how good Aiyuk actually is.
I would do this and not blink twice personally.
Getting a WR1. Still maintaining a 1st RD pick and losing a 4th is an easy deal. That 2025 3rd RD pick you're hoping ends up being a late pick anyway with a good off season that should result in a deep play off run.
At 31, I could do a number of things still that add an upgrade to the football team. You're still looking at quality IOL players there on offense and defense. You're still looking at quality secondary players and receivers, if you feel that finding a better replacement for Zay Jones is there.
Would anybody have an issue if they pulled off this trade? And decided to draft Xavier Leggett, Ladd McConkey or Keon Coleman there with the 31st overall pick?
(03-15-2024, 08:53 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 08:48 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Nah, the wide receiver market has settled. No one else is going to give all that to the 49ers, especially as the draft nears and all the talented WR prospects get hyped more. I'd wait and offer only #17 or Cam Robinson + ham sandwich.
A first round pick PLUS a giant contract?
No. That's getting one player for the price of two.
You're right. I guess the argument is that Aiyuk is a proven commodity. Drafting Brian Thomas or any of the others is more of a gamble. I personally would not give up a 1st for Aiyuk. I think the WR room is quite serviceable as it stands -- just draft another in the 2nd or 3rd with upside to develop. Rest of the draft should be to fortify the lines and add an outside CB who can start midway through the season.
(03-15-2024, 08:54 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 07:35 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Some people are throwing out a 1st round pick swap (17 for 31), a 4th and a 2025 3rd.
Which I would 100% do. I’m not sure if some people realize how good Aiyuk actually is.
I would do this and not blink twice personally.
Getting a WR1. Still maintaining a 1st RD pick and losing a 4th is an easy deal. That 2025 3rd RD pick you're hoping ends up being a late pick anyway with a good off season that should result in a deep play off run.
At 31, I could do a number of things still that add an upgrade to the football team. You're still looking at quality IOL players there on offense and defense. You're still looking at quality secondary players and receivers, if you feel that finding a better replacement for Zay Jones is there.
Would anybody have an issue if they pulled off this trade? And decided to draft Xavier Leggett, Ladd McConkey or Keon Coleman there with the 31st overall pick?
The deal is acceptable, sure (doubt it's acceptable to the 49ers), but you suggest acquiring Aiyuk and then turning around and drafting another WR at the end of the 1st? Nah. Even if we part ways with Zay, I'm fine with Parker Washington as the 4 and Duvernay as the 5. Getting Aiyuk and drafting another guy at the end of the 1st is overkill at the expense of other positions on the roster.
You're still having to likely part ways with Cam with another big contract given out to Aiyuk. If we're trading for a guy, I'd be trying to include him in the deal and then considering Tackle in the draft.
I can’t remember the last time I was this excited about the jags. Let’s keep the momentum rolling.
Go jags!
(03-15-2024, 08:54 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 07:35 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Some people are throwing out a 1st round pick swap (17 for 31), a 4th and a 2025 3rd.
Which I would 100% do. I’m not sure if some people realize how good Aiyuk actually is.
I would do this and not blink twice personally.
Getting a WR1. Still maintaining a 1st RD pick and losing a 4th is an easy deal. That 2025 3rd RD pick you're hoping ends up being a late pick anyway with a good off season that should result in a deep play off run.
At 31, I could do a number of things still that add an upgrade to the football team. You're still looking at quality IOL players there on offense and defense. You're still looking at quality secondary players and receivers, if you feel that finding a better replacement for Zay Jones is there.
Would anybody have an issue if they pulled off this trade? And decided to draft Xavier Leggett, Ladd McConkey or Keon Coleman there with the 31st overall pick?
The problem to me is the money. Hypothetically when we pay Trevor. We'll have Josh Allen, Trevor, and if it keeps up Travon all on huge contracts. How many monster contracts can you carry? We already have to allow Kirk to fade out as his contract is holding the Trevor money hostage.
Drafting a receiver gives you a few cheap years. Might take you to the end of Josh Allen.
(03-15-2024, 08:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 04:13 AM)wassy04 Wrote: [ -> ]You can't really give him credit for picking Trevor with the 1.01 surely?
Etienne has done well and Anton looks to be a pretty good pick. Lloyd and Walker can't exactly be considered hits, particularly when you consider opportunity cost of what was required to get them. (In Walker's case turning down a bunch of players that have done better than him so far in his career)
Picking Walker over Hutch is a pretty clear error at this point, do people not agree?
Stop. Give the guy credit when he makes a good call. I didnt want Walker for that reason, but after year two Walker has closed the gap. Walker is progressing as they pretty much said he would and he caught up to Hutchinson last year. This year I expect to see Travon take the big jump and, hopefully, it will be clear that he was the right pick.
Allen, Walker, and Armstead? Let’s go! Having that inside pressure guy is going to set Travon free.
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(03-15-2024, 08:48 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 07:35 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Some people are throwing out a 1st round pick swap (17 for 31), a 4th and a 2025 3rd.
Which I would 100% do. I’m not sure if some people realize how good Aiyuk actually is.
Nah, the wide receiver market has settled. No one else is going to give all that to the 49ers, especially as the draft nears and all the talented WR prospects get hyped more. I'd wait and offer only #17 or Cam Robinson + ham sandwich.
I wouldn’t offer Cam. Extend him and lower the cap hit.
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Trading any of our first 5 picks this year or next would be borderline malpractice. Aiyuk may be good but no he is not a world beater, if he were they wouldn't be shopping/trolling him. He is fortunate to play in Shanahan's system with a stout o-line protecting his QB. The issue is San Fran's cap issues. They actually had to take a HUGE (26m) cap hit cutting Armstead. . Note that Trent Williams currently counts 31 million against their cap at the age of 35. They need to draft cheaper personnel and this year's draft is flush with receivers and o-line. We need to take advantage of these positions being deep, Not trade our picks to San Fran so they can. Besides we already have multiple 5'11' , 200 pound receivers that are faster and quicker than Aiyuk.
(03-15-2024, 09:21 AM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 08:54 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I would do this and not blink twice personally.
Getting a WR1. Still maintaining a 1st RD pick and losing a 4th is an easy deal. That 2025 3rd RD pick you're hoping ends up being a late pick anyway with a good off season that should result in a deep play off run.
At 31, I could do a number of things still that add an upgrade to the football team. You're still looking at quality IOL players there on offense and defense. You're still looking at quality secondary players and receivers, if you feel that finding a better replacement for Zay Jones is there.
Would anybody have an issue if they pulled off this trade? And decided to draft Xavier Leggett, Ladd McConkey or Keon Coleman there with the 31st overall pick?
The problem to me is the money. Hypothetically when we pay Trevor. We'll have Josh Allen, Trevor, and if it keeps up Travon all on huge contracts. How many monster contracts can you carry? We already have to allow Kirk to fade out as his contract is holding the Trevor money hostage.
Drafting a receiver gives you a few cheap years. Might take you to the end of Josh Allen.
Yeah. I regret that one. Kirk has been worth every penny. I wish he could retire a Jag.
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(03-15-2024, 09:44 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 08:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Stop. Give the guy credit when he makes a good call. I didnt want Walker for that reason, but after year two Walker has closed the gap. Walker is progressing as they pretty much said he would and he caught up to Hutchinson last year. This year I expect to see Travon take the big jump and, hopefully, it will be clear that he was the right pick.
Allen, Walker, and Armstead? Let’s go! Having that inside pressure guy is going to set Travon free.
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(03-15-2024, 08:48 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Nah, the wide receiver market has settled. No one else is going to give all that to the 49ers, especially as the draft nears and all the talented WR prospects get hyped more. I'd wait and offer only #17 or Cam Robinson + ham sandwich.
I wouldn’t offer Cam. Extend him and lower the cap hit.
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No, that would be like groundhog day. Every year is supposed to be Cam's last. Sure, he's a good teammate and slightly above average when healthy, but he's injury prone and overpaid.
(03-15-2024, 09:46 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Trading any of our first 5 picks this year or next would be borderline malpractice. Aiyuk may be good but no he is not a world beater, if he were they wouldn't be shopping/trolling him. He is fortunate to play in Shanahan's system with a stout o-line protecting his QB. The issue is San Fran's cap issues. They actually had to take a HUGE (26m) cap hit cutting Armstead. . Note that Trent Williams currently counts 31 million against their cap at the age of 35. They need to draft cheaper personnel and this year's draft is flush with receivers and o-line. We need to take advantage of these positions being deep, Not trade our picks to San Fran so they can. Besides we already have multiple 5'11' , 200 pound receivers that are faster and quicker than Aiyuk.
He a proven commodity, the kid can play and he hasn’t even peaked yet.. IDK, it’s a win now league, and now the Jags can focus on D line, CB, O line exclusively and draft a receiver in the 3rd or 4th round, that can develop…
(03-15-2024, 09:59 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 09:46 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Trading any of our first 5 picks this year or next would be borderline malpractice. Aiyuk may be good but no he is not a world beater, if he were they wouldn't be shopping/trolling him. He is fortunate to play in Shanahan's system with a stout o-line protecting his QB. The issue is San Fran's cap issues. They actually had to take a HUGE (26m) cap hit cutting Armstead. . Note that Trent Williams currently counts 31 million against their cap at the age of 35. They need to draft cheaper personnel and this year's draft is flush with receivers and o-line. We need to take advantage of these positions being deep, Not trade our picks to San Fran so they can. Besides we already have multiple 5'11' , 200 pound receivers that are faster and quicker than Aiyuk.
He a proven commodity, the kid can play and he hasn’t even peaked yet.. IDK, it’s a win now league, and now the Jags can focus on D line, CB, O line exclusively and draft a receiver in the 3rd or 4th round, that can develop…
Well it really is a matter of dollars here. Yes, the kid can play in San Fran with Deboo opposite him. He is on the last year of his deal, 14 million cap hit this year. His value is shown on spot trac as 24 million a year. We all know the bill on TL and others are coming due next year. San Fran is in maybe level 8 cap hell and Shanahan would not let him loose if he didn't believe he could draft a receiver and do almost the same without him. (we can do the same) We already have his type here under contract. They may even have to cut him and take the 14mill dead cap hit as the did with Armstead.(26 million)
(03-15-2024, 10:09 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Texans trade their 1st to Min lol
https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1768634543534231892?s=20
I guess if you really value that 2nd next year and don't really love the talent at the back end of the 1st this year. But this just seems a little pointless. Won't complain about Houston losing this year's first though.
(03-15-2024, 10:09 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Texans trade their 1st to Min lol
https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1768634543534231892?s=20
A 1st and 7th for two seconds and a sixth doesn't seem great value. Seems even worse when you don't wait until the draft when fear of loss causes value to go up.
Maybe the thought is Minns second next year might be 33. But if the Vikings end up decent and it's a late second it seems bad.
(03-15-2024, 10:18 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 10:09 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Texans trade their 1st to Min lol
https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1768634543534231892?s=20
I guess if you really value that 2nd next year and don't really love the talent at the back end of the 1st this year. But this just seems a little pointless. Won't complain about Houston losing this year's first though.
Could be part 1 of a multi-trade up strategy. They have two 1sts now which might be more attractive to someone wanting to trade out of the top 5 or 10 if they're aiming to move up for a QB. I happen to think Darnold might do ok as a starter this time around though.
(03-15-2024, 10:28 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 10:18 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I guess if you really value that 2nd next year and don't really love the talent at the back end of the 1st this year. But this just seems a little pointless. Won't complain about Houston losing this year's first though.
Could be part 1 of a multi-trade up strategy. They have two 1sts now which might be more attractive to someone wanting to trade out of the top 5 or 10 if they're aiming to move up for a QB. I happen to think Darnold might do ok as a starter this time around though.
Oh it makes a lot of sense for Minnesota. For Houston it doesn't
Minnesota can trade Jefferson and have 3 first this year and two next year
(03-15-2024, 09:44 AM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 08:20 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Stop. Give the guy credit when he makes a good call. I didnt want Walker for that reason, but after year two Walker has closed the gap. Walker is progressing as they pretty much said he would and he caught up to Hutchinson last year. This year I expect to see Travon take the big jump and, hopefully, it will be clear that he was the right pick.
Allen, Walker, and Armstead? Let’s go! Having that inside pressure guy is going to set Travon free.
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(03-15-2024, 08:48 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Nah, the wide receiver market has settled. No one else is going to give all that to the 49ers, especially as the draft nears and all the talented WR prospects get hyped more. I'd wait and offer only #17 or Cam Robinson + ham sandwich.
I wouldn’t offer Cam. Extend him and lower the cap hit.
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I’m really excited about our D-line
(03-15-2024, 10:39 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 10:28 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Could be part 1 of a multi-trade up strategy. They have two 1sts now which might be more attractive to someone wanting to trade out of the top 5 or 10 if they're aiming to move up for a QB. I happen to think Darnold might do ok as a starter this time around though.
Oh it makes a lot of sense for Minnesota. For Houston it doesn't
Minnesota can trade Jefferson and have 3 first this year and two next year
Copying a response I made in another thread:
https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.ph...pid1613888
If you believe a draft is deep in the positions you need, trading down and adding extra draft capital is one way to take advantage of it.